This is the REAL American left

[pecksniff]

On this page, you will see maybe a dozen minor political parties with "socialist" or "communist" in their names. They don't matter much.

But here are three left-progressive social-democratic parties that might:

National Progressive Party (that's the Vermont Progressive Party, they're trying to take it national)

People's Party (formed apparently by veterans of Sanders' Dem primary nomination campaign)

Working Families Party (originally NY and NJ, they're trying to take it national)

What the three of them need to do now, is merge -- their politics being identical so far as I can tell.

 

[BluesDriver66]

That's going to be a tough row to hoe. U.S. politics runs on corporate money and influence. Third parties will get no corporate donations and they will be trashed by both the corporate controlled right and left media.

 

[pecksniff]

That's going to be a tough row to hoe. U.S. politics runs on corporate money and influence. Third parties will get no corporate donations and they will be trashed by both the corporate controlled right and left media.

Doesn't mean it's impossible. America once had a Socialist Party that at any rate was strong enough to elect mayors in medium-sized cities like Milwaukee. And that was a time when labor politics were violent and capitalists were not above using armed force, private or sometimes official.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Far left socialism has pretty much been discredited though in today's America. Although, the extremists on the opposite end of the spectrum have a habit of labeling everything less conservative than, say, Mitt Romney as "Socialism." And getting away with it. What was once considered mainstream (and sound) centrist economic and social policy is now "Socialism" to some of these people.

So no, I don't see any REAL socialist party ever gaining traction in the US in modern times. (I mean "Socialist" as in the traditional Marxist definition of the term, not the modern far-right republican re-definition of the term)

 

[pecksniff]

Far left socialism has pretty much been discredited though in today's America. Although, the extremists on the opposite end of the spectrum have a habit of labeling everything less conservative than, say, Mitt Romney as "Socialism." And getting away with it. What was once considered mainstream (and sound) centrist economic and social policy is now "Socialism" to some of these people.

So no, I don't see any REAL socialist party ever gaining traction in the US in modern times. (I mean "Socialist" as in the traditional Marxist definition of the term, not the modern far-right republican re-definition of the term)

That's OK, the three listed in the OP are not REAL socialists, their politics is more like Bernie's -- social-democratic. Nationalizing the means of production is not on the menu.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

You mean that Bernie, AOC, Tlaib, Omar, Pressley, DeBolshevik aren't commie enough for you?

 

[Unclebill]

No matter what they call themselves, i.e., socialist, communist, democratic-socialist, fascist, Nazi, etc., they are all fundamentally the same: totalitarian and heavy handed authoritarian.

There are three fundamental tenets they all share:
(1) - the negation of individual rights
(2) - truth is whatever advances the agenda of the moment
(3) - the end justifies the means.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You mean that Bernie, AOC, Tlaib, Omar, Pressley, DeBolshevik aren't commie enough for you?

Not nearly enough for me. We need to go so far past them that is not even funny.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Not nearly enough for me. We need to go so far past them that is not even funny.

Here ya go:

https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/10/1386683878775/POL-POT-006.jpg

Will you be in your bunk?

 

[ShyBiGuy954]

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[Bud_Spencer]

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[ShyBiGuy954]

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[pecksniff]

You mean that Bernie, AOC, Tlaib, Omar, Pressley, DeBolshevik aren't commie enough for you?

They are quite satisfactory.

For now.

 

[QuickWit]

I doubt it.

 

[pecksniff]

I doubt it.

Doubt what? The three organizations linked in the OP have a real chance of accomplishing something, unlike the various "socialist" and "communist" microparties.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Doubt what? The three organizations linked in the OP have a real chance of accomplishing something, unlike the various "socialist" and "communist" microparties.

Previous communist accomplishments that we can all look forward to:

Kolyma
https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2017.09/article/59b8f0f585600a47ed1cfb12.jpg

Vorkuta:
https://media.sciencephoto.com/image/c0487486/800wm/C0487486-Vorkuta_Labour_Camp,_Russia,_1989.jpg

Kampuchea:
https://www.clickasnap.com/img/141/cambodia-killing-fields-25.jpg

There are many, many more. In a just world, you and your pals would be hunted and shunned like the Nazis. Actually you and your pals killed far more than they did.

 

[pecksniff]

Previous communist accomplishments that we can all look forward to:

That's like equating Reagan with the Holocaust.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

That's like equating Reagan with the Holocaust.

I'm sure in your diseased little brain you really believe that. Unhappily, RR didn't have anything to do with that, and communists had everything to do with the gulag, killing fields and police states around the globe, and will again if given the chance.

 

[pecksniff]

I'm sure in your diseased little brain you really believe that. Unhappily, RR didn't have anything to do with that, and communists had everything to do with the gulag, killing fields and police states around the globe, and will again if given the chance.

But American socialists and social democrats have no more to do with those communists than Reagan with Hitler. And it's not the left that in any way presents the prospect of an American police state. This is what American socialists think of that.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

But American socialists and social democrats have no more to do with those communists than Reagan with Hitler. And it's not the left that in any way presents the prospect of an American police state. This is what American socialists think of that.

Yeah, I'm sure that all those others, well, they just got it wrong and this batch of socialists will bypass all of that murder and repression stuff that was totally unnecessary to imposing The Plan on tens of millions of people who might just have other ideas of how to live.

 

[CornusKousa]

But American socialists and social democrats have no more to do with those communists than Reagan with Hitler.

Except the American left is actually pushing communist ideals via communist methodology.

Reagan never pushed Nazism via fascism.

And it's not the left that in any way presents the prospect of an American police state.

So then why their desperate need to use to to force their politics on the majority of states who have rejected them???

Can't have it both ways....

 

[CornusKousa]

Yeah, I'm sure that all those others, well, they just got it wrong and this batch of socialists will bypass all of that murder and repression stuff that was totally unnecessary to imposing The Plan on tens of millions of people who might just have other ideas of how to live.

They aren't pro-police state, they just want to regulate their views upon you by FORCE!!! LOL

It's only a police-state when they aren't allowed to put a gun to everyone else's head.

 

[pecksniff]

Except the American left is actually pushing communist ideals via communist methodology.

Communist methodology would involve underground revolutionary cells. There are none here.

So then why their desperate need to use to to force their politics on the majority of states who have rejected them???

Can't have it both ways....

Political centralization is one thing, and a police state is quite another. There is no police state in France, which has had a unitary system at all times ever since the federalist revolts were crushed in 1793.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

They aren't pro-police state, they just want to regulate their views upon you by FORCE!!! LOL

It's only a police-state when they aren't allowed to put a gun to everyone else's head.

In the end, there are two ways to get people to do things you want them to: Persuasion or force. Civilized people use persuasion. Leftists use force.

 

[pecksniff]

In the end, there are two ways to get people to do things you want them to: Persuasion or force. Civilized people use persuasion. Leftists use force.

American leftists don't have force.