This Deplorable tactic of attacking LGBTQ people under the guise of caring about women's rights...

[RoryN]

Is anyone fooled?

 

[Dribble]

If you are talking about me...then yea...you don't get it.

Name one physical competitive sport...one...should be simple because you can pick from hundreds...where the woman's record exceeds or betters the man's. One. One and i go away.

Then ask yourself...at what age (give or take) does this differention between sexes occur? Why does this happen? This is not saying women athletes are crap...fuck anyone of them are better than I ever will be. But I am not trying to compete against them.

If a male goes through puberty...their body is built different. There are people with genetic abnormalities that never go through puberty. You can see the difference. Does this difference provide a physical competitive advantage? Well...let's see if anyone here can come up with one example out of hundreds of possibilities where a female record exceeds the male. Hell...dig deep...look at high school records too.

So the advantage is real. This is why we have different teams for different sexes. Fairness. Title Nine was built on this understanding.

Now, if people want to say...well the hormone therapy equalizes this competitive advantage...then...why do we not see a decrease in competitive times or whatever criteria measures the sport?

It can't be both ways.

Now, as for the rest of the Republican led attacks. They are bullshit. Restricting insurance. Firing. All wrong. Maybe the issue with public restrooms? I can see both sides here. But if a trans woman is allowed to use a woman's restroom...why not everyone. Same is true reversed. Why does it matter? Why is the right of one greater than someone that would be uncomfortable?

This is a huge problem that didn't exist. Just like Republicans making laws saying they are protecting children...when they do nothing to protect children from guns. Now...it is an issue. And because of sports and restrooms...all other restrictions happened. Was that worth it? We are just as much to blame as them. Why? Because both sides view it as all or nothing. Find a middle...move on

 

[RoryN]

If you are talking about me

Nope. (See thread title.)

 

[DeluxAuto]

If you are talking about me...then yea...you don't get it.

Name one physical competitive sport...one...should be simple because you can pick from hundreds...where the woman's record exceeds or betters the man's. One. One and i go away.

Then ask yourself...at what age (give or take) does this differention between sexes occur? Why does this happen? This is not saying women athletes are crap...fuck anyone of them are better than I ever will be. But I am not trying to compete against them.

If a male goes through puberty...their body is built different. There are people with genetic abnormalities that never go through puberty. You can see the difference. Does this difference provide a physical competitive advantage? Well...let's see if anyone here can come up with one example out of hundreds of possibilities where a female record exceeds the male. Hell...dig deep...look at high school records too.

So the advantage is real. This is why we have different teams for different sexes. Fairness. Title Nine was built on this understanding.

Now, if people want to say...well the hormone therapy equalizes this competitive advantage...then...why do we not see a decrease in competitive times or whatever criteria measures the sport?

It can't be both ways.

Now, as for the rest of the Republican led attacks. They are bullshit. Restricting insurance. Firing. All wrong. Maybe the issue with public restrooms? I can see both sides here. But if a trans woman is allowed to use a woman's restroom...why not everyone. Same is true reversed. Why does it matter? Why is the right of one greater than someone that would be uncomfortable?

This is a huge problem that didn't exist. Just like Republicans making laws saying they are protecting children...when they do nothing to protect children from guns. Now...it is an issue. And because of sports and restrooms...all other restrictions happened. Was that worth it? We are just as much to blame as them. Why? Because both sides view it as all or nothing. Find a middle...move on

Cheese 'n Rice.

 

[ispilua]

what attacks>

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

If you are talking about me...then yea...you don't get it.

Name one physical competitive sport...one...should be simple because you can pick from hundreds...where the woman's record exceeds or betters the man's. One. One and i go away.

Then ask yourself...at what age (give or take) does this differention between sexes occur? Why does this happen? This is not saying women athletes are crap...fuck anyone of them are better than I ever will be. But I am not trying to compete against them.

If a male goes through puberty...their body is built different. There are people with genetic abnormalities that never go through puberty. You can see the difference. Does this difference provide a physical competitive advantage? Well...let's see if anyone here can come up with one example out of hundreds of possibilities where a female record exceeds the male. Hell...dig deep...look at high school records too.

So the advantage is real. This is why we have different teams for different sexes. Fairness. Title Nine was built on this understanding.

Now, if people want to say...well the hormone therapy equalizes this competitive advantage...then...why do we not see a decrease in competitive times or whatever criteria measures the sport?

It can't be both ways.

Now, as for the rest of the Republican led attacks. They are bullshit. Restricting insurance. Firing. All wrong. Maybe the issue with public restrooms? I can see both sides here. But if a trans woman is allowed to use a woman's restroom...why not everyone. Same is true reversed. Why does it matter? Why is the right of one greater than someone that would be uncomfortable?

This is a huge problem that didn't exist. Just like Republicans making laws saying they are protecting children...when they do nothing to protect children from guns. Now...it is an issue. And because of sports and restrooms...all other restrictions happened. Was that worth it? We are just as much to blame as them. Why? Because both sides view it as all or nothing. Find a middle...move on

Let me start by saying that it's awesome that you're a long standing fan of womens' sports. So you probably know that the highest a male has ever scored in a game of bowling is 300, and that's also the highest score a woman has ever scored. With all these advantages no male has ever scored higher than a woman.

So there's your answer.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Is anyone fooled?

Do you recognize that the whole culture war is about distracting people from blaming the big corporations and banks for society's problems?

 

[phrodeau]

Name one physical competitive sport...one...should be simple because you can pick from hundreds...where the woman's record exceeds or betters the man's. One. One and i go away.

Tennis.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Name one physical competitive sport...one...should be simple because you can pick from hundreds...where the woman's record exceeds or betters the man's. One. One and i go away.

There was a British female cyclist named Beryl Burton. In 1967, she set the world record for the 12-hour time trial of 277.25 miles. This surpassed the men's world record by 0.73 miles. Burton's world record was not beaten by a man until 1969.

 

[phrodeau]

Marathon swimming.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Thomas_(marathon_swimmer)

 

[Lazaran]

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Attacks on trans individuals under the guise of “supporting women” are, at the least, a not so subtle attempt to divide progressive minded voters. At the most, the attacks on trans individuals are an attack on ALL non-cisgender individuals, and an attack on the modern protections in the constitution for ALL people who aren’t cis white male Judeo-Christian like the founding fathers.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[Bray123]

There is just one sport in the Olympics that I can think of where men and women compete equally, and that's equestrianism.

In the last three Olympiads:
Dressage individual, all won by females
Eventing, won by two males one female
Showjumping, all won by males

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_equestrian

 

[jomar]

I’ll go with archery and riflery

 

[ispilua]

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/06/19/bromwich-cis-women-n2384628

 

[jaF0]

Beach volleyball.

 

[RoryN]

Morning bump!

 

[Dribble]

Let me start by saying that it's awesome that you're a long standing fan of womens' sports. So you probably know that the highest a male has ever scored in a game of bowling is 300, and that's also the highest score a woman has ever scored. With all these advantages no male has ever scored higher than a woman.

So there's your answer.

That's a physical game? Wow. Ok...if you want to play that stupidly..same with darts...and billards. Why do women have to tee off at a different tee?

 

[Dribble]

Key word....PHYSICAL...

 

[ispilua]

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/06/19/bromwich-cis-women-n2384628

gee

no response

SURPRISE!!!

 

[ll74]

what attacks>

Have you been attacked?

 

[phrodeau]

Key word....PHYSICAL...

You’re still here?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

That's a physical game? Wow. Ok...if you want to play that stupidly..same with darts...and billards. Why do women have to tee off at a different tee?

And suddenly the goalposts move.

 

[stickygirl]

That's a physical game? Wow. Ok...if you want to play that stupidly..same with darts...and billards. Why do women have to tee off at a different tee?

AFAIK most of the international sports bodies have now moved to ban trans women ( and some trans men ) from competing in any female competition: IOC, FIFA, Cycling, so while I don't disagree with you, you are a bit out of date. There may still be one or two sports bodies yet to decide, but it's a done deal. It was tried, it didn't work, the science is still being studied. I would cite examples but it's old news already.

The shame of it is that the message becomes twisted and local/schools clubs introduce blanket bans on trans women at any level. That's not in the brief of the IOC who are supposed to encourage everyone to take part in sport . The false misgendering of women is sports extends to nine year olds or simply bad losers too.

I'm sure you remember in sports, maybe you still play, how you make new friends and feel included? To ban a group of people who already feel excluded from society is just mean-spirited and doesn't move things forward. Trans folk are here, they're not going to vanish, so it's best we all work out how to get along.

I've been transitioned long enough to remember using a restroom without any problem at all. Where do people imagine we used to pee before? Do the men, who are introducing these laws, not realise that it's men, not transgender people, who assault women in restrooms and there are already plenty laws to cover this? Also, do men think women pee in a communal sink?!

Here's a couple of examples of cis gender women harassed in restrooms - Cancer survivor and Wrong haircut. Do we want go further down the road of policing how a woman show look? And when are women going to get more toilets anyhow?! The number of times I've nearly wet myself because of the queue.

TLDR
International and national sport - trans issues already resolved until science proves otherwise
Restrooms - Cubicles?! Cis gender women being policed too. Also, more women's loos needed.

 

[urguyscott]

OK, you say you believe in Science. Here is a question. Suppose you are like 74 or Rory and are a trans and yet you haven't had your ah, thing chopped off. Not that makes a difference to science. You see a thousand years from now some member of science is going to dig up your bones and make a study. They will find that human's come in two sexes. It's science. Look it up. They will determine that becasue of your bone structure and other data they can retrieve, that you were born either a male or a female human. (hey they don't know you like we do) They won't be able to say, "Oh, this fool thought he was a woman so he forced his way into women's rest rooms, took over their sports, made them into third class people (like in some of the countries you are so proud of) and then we can class "it" as "different". No it is not science. Your bones, for what they are worth, will be classified as either "male" or "female" regardless of what foolishness is in your mind, either confusion, forced mutilation or you were just a pervert. Like Mr. Biden says, "It's science man."

 

[phrodeau]

They will find that human's come in two sexes. It's science. Look it up.

Some people are intersex. Look it up.