They Came, They Assembled, They Ate a Substantial Meal

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I thought I'd add to the holiday posts with this TV review from today's New York Times online (edited only for brevity). Think I'll check it out as the review itself made some points I'd not put together before.

Happy Thanksgiving (if appropriate), Grushenka

They Came, They Assembled, They Ate a Substantial Meal By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN

That odd little band, whose eccentric and sine-qua-non American accomplishments we celebrate next week, gets a tantalizing hearing Sunday on the History Channel’s “Desperate Crossing: The Untold Story of the Mayflower.” The show is nominally a documentary, but it is as full-dress as a Bob Fosse production. Betraying (as usual) no nervousness about the place of re-creations in nonfiction programming, the History Channel flaunts a huge and talented, if barely credited, cast; elaborate set design; music cues; and makeup that convincingly suggests scurvy, among other New World transformations.

It bears repeating that this is a far cry from the hallowed documentary way of Ken Burns, where impressionistic, metonymic re-creations (lighted candle, turning wheel) are used to illustrate points made by commentators. On “Desperate Crossing,” the commentary seasons the action, not the other way around.

The History Channel’s approach makes for rollicking watching. The early scenes set in England — the furtive meetings of the religious separatists in strange Scrooby — are deliberately underlighted but supremely suggestive. Was it really true that a group could be fined, or worse, just for coming together? No wonder “freedom of assembly” is written into the Bill of Rights and many of those early American Protestant sects have names (like Congregationalists) that reflect pride in the simple fact that they have managed to form groups.

James I, both intensely intellectual and intensely rugged, is a worthy opponent to the highly naïve pack of dissidents as they become increasingly determined to reject the Church of England. Eventually, fleeing James, the men and women who reject the state-led church hierarchy make their way to Holland, where their piety sits somewhat awkwardly with the local customs of contention and scrappy commerce. But the Pilgrim adventurers nonetheless try the Dutch way, and some get married there and even learn to fight from a mercenary named Miles Standish. Finally, Standish in tow in case they meet savages, off they go to America on the cargo ship Mayflower, after a half-dozen false starts.

It seems ridiculous to refrain from spoilers when this story is a chestnut of American history and will end only in a roast turkey, but the details of the Pilgrims’ crossing — what they ate on the Mayflower, how cramped it was, who was born en route and the astronomical cost of the voyage — have surely escaped your memory and are in any case thrilling to see rendered in living color.

In this viewer “Desperate Crossing,” against the odds, awakened new curiosity about competing myths of origins: both the first story (about the noble search for religious freedom) and the second (about the cruel seizure of someone else’s land). For that reason, it is a terrific way to celebrate Thanksgiving and an antidote to it.
 
Well, Grishenka, welcome to the forum and since no one else has deigned to either welcome you or comment, I shall be the first to do.

I have seen the forthcoming program promo'd and have paid little attention to another obscene swipe at American History, ethics, morals, and hatred, you might think we are as hated as the Jews in Israel as so many think badly enough about our existence as to want excoriate even our history, if not eliminate us entirely.

I would have suspected it was PBS well known for presenting an unending barrage of fiction and calling it documentary or historical, but the History Channel and even the Science channel is not far behind in the obscene fiction they pass off as truth.

You might as well hold hands with Cloudy, our resident retarded red neck who drools at the scent of burnt human flesh, and join you with the cannibals who boiled the missionaries in Africa and the savages in the Sandwich Islands, or was it the 'Cook' Islands who ate that famous explorer, not sure they cooked him first or ate him raw, being barbarians, I guess their palate wasn't real sophisticated, I would never eat a Christian due to the possibity of food poisoning and certainly contamination.

Those stupid Indians would have been all right and would have until they developed a taste for, (like successful black athletes) for white meat, but back then, mess with our women and we will burn your damned villages, pumpkins, deerhides and all, for surely they had nothing of value to steal.

So, welcome to the forum, I am sure a quick hand-full of the 'usual suspects' will rush to your defense as they too relish every criticism, no matter how fictional, of anything Americana...

Cheerio, ducks...


amicus...the always amicable one....
 
amicus said:
Well, Grishenka, welcome to the forum...
I will be gracious and thank you for the welcome, though you are not the first to do so. I am sorry you took advantage of it, the welcome, to be mean-spirited even to the point of saying something nasty about a fellow forum member.

All I meant to do was present something of interest to others in the spirit of the holiday.

Somewhat miffed,

Grushenka
 
Geez...no one is a real 'virgin' anymore, and a grumpy one at that...sighs...


amicus...

(edited to add: Oh, by the way, Cloudy shows affection for being a 'Retarded Cannibal, in fact I think she used it and may still do so, in her Sig line, had she been offended I would not have named her.)
 
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I shall have to watch this program, if I am home when it airs.

I'm always interested in History, so this should be fun to watch.

I was allowed several years ago, to partake in the Thanksgiving Dinner done at Plymouth Plantation in Mass. (This is a re-enactment village where they have re-created as close as possible the conditions faced by the Pilgrims when they landed.) Very few are allowed to enjoy this each year and I was thrilled to be asked.

Th meals they ate was very different from what we now eat, and yet it was no less enjoyable for this. (Very little Turkey, some Venison, a lot of shell fish and other fish as well as vegetables.)

Cat
 
The reference by Virginia Heffernan to "freedom of religion" is a crock. The pilgrims were a very rigid group of fundamentalists who were opposed to any religion but theirs. This is what caused the eventual breakup of the Plymouth Basy Colony, because people who questioned them, such as Roger Williams, had to leave.
 
*disappointed*

Here I read the title and expect to find something about IKEA, but noooooooo..!:(
 
amicus said:
Well, Grishenka, welcome to the forum and since no one else has deigned to either welcome you or comment, I shall be the first to do.

I have seen the forthcoming program promo'd and have paid little attention to another obscene swipe at American History, ethics, morals, and hatred, you might think we are as hated as the Jews in Israel as so many think badly enough about our existence as to want excoriate even our history, if not eliminate us entirely.

I would have suspected it was PBS well known for presenting an unending barrage of fiction and calling it documentary or historical, but the History Channel and even the Science channel is not far behind in the obscene fiction they pass off as truth.

You might as well hold hands with Cloudy, our resident retarded red neck who drools at the scent of burnt human flesh, and join you with the cannibals who boiled the missionaries in Africa and the savages in the Sandwich Islands, or was it the 'Cook' Islands who ate that famous explorer, not sure they cooked him first or ate him raw, being barbarians, I guess their palate wasn't real sophisticated, I would never eat a Christian due to the possibity of food poisoning and certainly contamination.

Those stupid Indians would have been all right and would have until they developed a taste for, (like successful black athletes) for white meat, but back then, mess with our women and we will burn your damned villages, pumpkins, deerhides and all, for surely they had nothing of value to steal.

So, welcome to the forum, I am sure a quick hand-full of the 'usual suspects' will rush to your defense as they too relish every criticism, no matter how fictional, of anything Americana...

Cheerio, ducks...


amicus...the always amicable one....


Wow.

This is bitter even for you, ami.

Panties in a wad?
 
amicus said:
Geez...no one is a real 'virgin' anymore, and a grumpy one at that...sighs...


amicus...

(edited to add: Oh, by the way, Cloudy shows affection for being a 'Retarded Cannibal, in fact I think she used it and may still do so, in her Sig line, had she been offended I would not have named her.)

Ami, she uses it in her sig line to mock you, ya fool.

If you don't recall YOU were the one who gave native Americans that history.
 
Grushenka said:
I will be gracious and thank you for the welcome, though you are not the first to do so. I am sorry you took advantage of it, the welcome, to be mean-spirited even to the point of saying something nasty about a fellow forum member.

All I meant to do was present something of interest to others in the spirit of the holiday.

Somewhat miffed,

Grushenka

Thanks, Gru -

Like Cat, I would love to give it a look.

And if I haven't said it before, welcome to the AH.

:rose:
 
amicus said:
You might as well hold hands with Cloudy, our resident retarded red neck who drools at the scent of burnt human flesh, and join you with the cannibals who boiled the missionaries in Africa and the savages in the Sandwich Islands, or was it the 'Cook' Islands who ate that famous explorer, not sure they cooked him first or ate him raw, being barbarians, I guess their palate wasn't real sophisticated, I would never eat a Christian due to the possibity of food poisoning and certainly contamination.

Those stupid Indians would have been all right and would have until they developed a taste for, (like successful black athletes) for white meat, but back then, mess with our women and we will burn your damned villages, pumpkins, deerhides and all, for surely they had nothing of value to steal.

Given that I've always tested out at a genius level IQ (as do all three of my children), and hold two university degrees.....

oh, ouch. :rolleyes:
 
SHORT HISTORY OF OUR GLORIOUS COUNTRY: THE U.S. of A.

The mighty pilgrams, in order to find a new life, free of religious and socialital persecution, hopped on a leaky boat and sailed westward in hopes of finding a new home. Eventually, they landed a Plymouth Rock and founded a free colony there.

Okay, someone should have told them they really needed to land in the "new world" sometime in the early spring instead of October, but what the hell, they got here anyway.

Incidentally, "Free" may be a bit of an over statement since the religious leaders of the colony immediately became zealous ogers who instituted fun games like, "The Stocks", "Dunking" and "Public Flogging" for serious infractions such as mispronouncing biblical names and spitting on the boardwalk.

In spite of the "unbounded freedoms" afforded the colonists, they starved all winter while many froze or starved to death. The one thing they forgot to bring with them was, of course, FOOD. But in the early spring, they dragged their asses out and plowed, sowed their crops and hunted the abundent animals that lived (or used too) in the area.

Their kindly Native American neighbors (who the Pilgrams called "Indians" because they thought they were in INDIA :rolleyes: ) showed them how to plant corn and smoke tobacco, giving rise many years later to Kellogg's Corn Flakes and the American Tobacco Industry, Slavery, the Civil War and all the other minor things not important enough to mention here.

In the furtil soils, their crops florished and Pumpkin Pies, Mashed Potatoes and Green Salad grew everywhere. By November, the colonists had gathered everything from their harvest, murdered most of the wild game (including every turkey in sight) in the area and decided to have a huge feast. They even invited their "Indian" neighbors.

It was a gay time. They ate. They drank beer. They got drunk and murdered the Indians and stole their lands. The few remaining they relegated to "Reservatons" in the worst desert areas where nothing lived and nothing would grow. This was done in the name of "Progress" because freeways, shopping malls and urban sprawl was already in the planning stages to make America the greatest country on earth.

So, there you have it. A totally condensed lesson in American History from Plymouth right up to America today. Sad, ain't it? :rolleyes:
 
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Svenskaflicka said:
*disappointed*

Here I read the title and expect to find something about IKEA, but noooooooo..!:(
This gave me a real laugh, thanks Svenskaflicka.

Thanks also to sweetsubsarahh for another welcome (beats the one in the second post above). And, I like Gru.

:rose: :)
 
Grushenka said:
This gave me a real laugh, thanks Svenskaflicka.

Thanks also to sweetsubsarahh for another welcome (beats the one in the second post above). And, I like Gru.

:rose: :)

I'm glad. :kiss:

Hope you stick around. You have a terrific bullshit detector in that you nailed amicus to the wall in just one post.

Peachy.

:cathappy:
 
Grushenka said:
This gave me a real laugh, thanks Svenskaflicka.

Thanks also to sweetsubsarahh for another welcome (beats the one in the second post above). And, I like Gru.

:rose: :)

And a late welcome, Grunya! It's good to see new people come, when we have lost so many of the old ones.
 
Svenskaflicka said:
And a late welcome, Grunya! It's good to see new people come, when we have lost so many of the old ones.
Grunya, very good; you must be a real Svenska flicka ;) . Thanks. :rose:
 
I'm sorry, but I seem to have forgotten my manners. Welcome to Literotica dnd to the AH. Amicus is something of a cross we must bear, but sometimes he makes some reasonable points in his arguments. In his post, however, he was waaaaay out of line.
 
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