These people are trying…

[rgraham666]

To put us out of business!

Mormon's Guide to Overcoming Masturbation.

I say we hit them with a class action suit.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Why go through all of that?
this is so much quicker and more fun for.. someone, anyway...

Yanno, reading all of that in the mirror could some good advice on how to facilitate masturbation.

 

[Belegon]

LOL!!!

Never read about your problem (even on sites claiming to be "educational").

Really? So then they should never read point 8, right?

What a ridiculous document.

 

[rgraham666]

Why go through all of that?
this is so much quicker and more fun for.. someone, anyway...

Yanno, reading all of that in the mirror could some good advice on how to facilitate masturbation.

Um. Ouch.

 

[desertslave]

I like this one:

6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED! Go into the kitchen and make a snack, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.

I'm gonna look at all the pudgy Mormons in my neighborhood (there are a few) in a whole new light. Bless their hearts.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I like the suggestion that you hold a bible in your hand at all times.

 

[desertslave]

Okay, sorry but this is way too funny. It's from a different page, same site, speaking to "Young Men Only" I don't mean to pick on teen boys or wet dreams. I have a 15 YO son, and tons of compassion for him. But this wording is funny as hell.

I wish to explain something that will help you understand your young manhood and help you develop self-control. When this power begins to form, it might be likened to having a little factory in your body, one designed to produce the product that can generate life.

This little factory moves quietly into operation as a normal and expected pattern of growth and begins to produce the life-giving substance. It will do so perhaps as long as you live. It works very slowly. That is the way it should be. For the most part, unless you tamper with it, you will hardly be aware that it is working at all.

As you move closer to manhood, this little factory will sometimes produce an oversupply of this substance. The Lord has provided a way for that to be released. It will happen without any help or without any resistance from you. Perhaps, one night you will have a dream. In the course of it the release valve that controls the factory will open and release all that is excess.

The factory and automatic release work on their own schedule. The Lord intended it to be that way. It is to regulate itself. This will not happen very often. You may go a longer period of time, and there will be no need for this to occur. When it does, you should not feel guilty. It is the nature of young manhood and is part of becoming a man.

There is; however, something you should not do. Sometimes a young man does not understand. Perhaps he is encouraged by unwise or unworthy companions to tamper with that factory. He might fondle himself and open that release valve. This you shouldn't do, for if you do that, the little factory will speed up. You will then be tempted again and again to release it. You can quickly be subjected to a habit, one that is not worthy, one that will leave you feeling depressed and feeling guilty. Resist that temptation. Do not be guilty of tampering or playing with this sacred power of creation. Keep it in reserve for the time when it can be righteously employed.

One of you, perhaps, has not fully understood until now. Perhaps your father did not talk to you. You may already have been guilty of tampering with these powers. You may even have developed a habit. What do you do then?

First, I want you to know this. I you are struggling with this temptation and perhaps you have not quite been able to resist, the Lord still loves you. It is not anything so wicked nor is it a transgression so great that the Lord would reject you because of it, but it can quickly lead to that kind of transgression. It is not pleasing to the Lord, nor is it pleasing to you. It does not make you feel worthy or clean.

There are ways to conquer such a habit. First of all, you must leave that factory alone long enough for it to slow down. Resisting is not easy. It will take weeks, even months. But you can get the little factory slowed back to where it should be.

 

[kimbalee]

I like the suggestion that you hold a bible in your hand at all times.

well... that still leaves one hand free... lol

 

[Varian P]

You can quickly be subjected to a habit, one that is not worthy, one that will leave you feeling depressed and feeling guilty.

Fodder for a new bumper sticker:

Masturbation doesn't make people feel depressed and dirty,
RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE makes people feel depressed and dirty!

Tampering with my factory and opening my valves makes me feel super worthy. Just reading about young men fondling themselves, all furtive and full of guilt might just make me abandon my laptop and reach for something else battery-powered. Thanks, Mormons!

 

[Varian P]

well... that still leaves one hand free... lol

I think their plan is to get a sandwich in one hand, and the bible in the other. God, I think I'm getting an idea for an orgasm deprivation story...

 

[Anna_Malia75]

I like this one:

6. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED! Go into the kitchen and make a snack, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak.

I'm gonna look at all the pudgy Mormons in my neighborhood (there are a few) in a whole new light. Bless their hearts.

The kitchen? But that's where I keep the carrots! And the cucumbers!

 

[cloudy]

While I don't believe what they believe, I find this bashing quite distasteful.

What happened to tolerance?

eta: never mind. I guess tolerance is only for those things that you approve of.

 

[rgraham666]

I think that tract is directed at guys, Anna.

I suspect the author(s) of the tract believe women don't masturbate.

 

[Stella_Omega]

While I don't believe what they believe, I find this bashing quite distasteful.

What happened to tolerance?

I am intolerant of the attempt to spread ideas that are destructive. I feel that these lines of advice are more destructive, on the whole, than not.

But I would rather discuss JT's Stockroom, and their toys, myself.

 

[Varian P]

While I don't believe what they believe, I find this bashing quite distasteful.

What happened to tolerance?

eta: never mind. I guess tolerance is only for those things that you approve of.

No, tolerance is only for those who extend a bit of it, themselves.

When people come to the door of my home, corner me at work, waylay me on campus to tell me I'm evil, and going to hell because I don't subscribe to their system of beliefs, I feel alright mocking that system of beliefs.

Religions that make a concerted effort to wrangle people into their cult of self-hatred using methods ranging from rhetoric to blackmail to violence (speaking of Christianity broadly here, not Mormons in particular), deserve all the mockery I can muster, IMO. Sincerely, I find them pernicious, and making fun takes some of their detrimental power away.

-Varian, who was made to feel like shit for innocent childhood thoughts until she blew off Christianity at the age of eleven.

 

[cloudy]

Oh, I see.

Two wrongs make a right, then. Since they're intolerant, it excuses your own intolerance.

Gotcha.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Oh, I see.

Two wrongs make a right, then. Since they're intolerant, it excuses your own intolerance.

Gotcha.

There's a big difference between tolerance and blind acceptance.

Do I tolerate Mormons as people, do I offer them the same face-to-face respect I would anyone?

Yes.

Must I nod and smile at the parts of their belief that sicken and horrify me?

I think many aspects of Mormon doctrine are immoral, frankly. This is one of those aspects.

 

[Varian P]

Oh, I see.

Two wrongs make a right, then. Since they're intolerant, it excuses your own intolerance.

Gotcha.

No. It's not about tit for tat. I do respect, and usually embrace, the tolerance stance. And I try very hard, as a rule, to take the higher ground, and not stoop to the name-calling and other such tactics used by those I disagree with.

But, honestly, religion is a battle of propaganda. Proponents of Christianity put tremendous effort and resources into winning hearts and minds to their way of life, and to influencing aspects of a culture/society to which I belong.

In my experience, the best way to counter the religious propaganda I'm confronted with every single day (despite the fact I live in a large, progressive coastal city and consume very little media), is with humor.

I'm curious--and I'm being sincere here, hoping for discussion rather than a tussle--whether there's a point where you draw the line on tolerance.

A tricky issue that's bothered me for years is female circumcision (or genital mutilation, depending on how tolerant one is feeling). Where does tolerance for cultural/religious difference end, and advocacy for human rights begin?

For me personally, these things just aren't black and white.

 

[impressive]

"Overcoming Masturbation" means something ENTIRELY different to me.

 

[cloudy]

No. It's not about tit for tat. I do respect, and usually embrace, the tolerance stance. And I try very hard, as a rule, to take the higher ground, and not stoop to the name-calling and other such tactics used by those I disagree with.

I've dealt with religious intolerance all my life.

I have compassion for those who continue to deal with it, like the Mormons.

I think what they believe to be a bunch of hogwash, but I'll continue to defend their right to believe what they choose. As a whole, they're very good people, and it's rather disillusioning to see those that I've always believed to be tolerant people behaving as badly as those they ridicule.

That's called hypocrisy. I'd rather not be a hypocrite, thanks.

 

[Varian P]

I've dealt with religious intolerance all my life.

I have compassion for those who continue to deal with it, like the Mormons.

I think what they believe to be a bunch of hogwash, but I'll continue to defend their right to believe what they choose. As a whole, they're very good people, and it's rather disillusioning to see those that I've always believed to be tolerant people behaving as badly as those they ridicule.

That's called hypocrisy. I'd rather not be a hypocrite, thanks.

Should racism be tolerated? Should homophobic propaganda be tolerated? Or is it okay to ridicule and tear apart those belief systems?

 

[Guest]

No disrespect intended, cloudy, but it is an interesting topic for discussion, especially on a porn site.

I compressed the rules into these three:

Don't Explore your body
Don't Explore your own mind
Don't Explore any other opinions except those of the religious texts

I have to wonder if something like this actually helps repress the sex drive or if it just makes them feel guilty when they finally give in.

 

[cloudy]

Should racism be tolerated? Should homophobic propaganda be tolerated? Or is it okay to ridicule and tear apart those belief systems?

Different animal. If they are doing harm to anyone, it's to themselves. Racism and homophobia aren't hallmarks of Mormonism - especially not racism. LDS accepts people of all races. The most homophobic people out there right now are mainstream Christians.

Go on...pile on. Bash Mormons. Have a blast. But don't try to convince me of your tolerance while you do so.

 

[cloudy]

No disrespect intended, cloudy, but it is an interesting topic for discussion, especially on a porn site.

I compressed the rules into these three:

Don't Explore your body
Don't Explore your own mind
Don't Explore any other opinions except those of the religious texts

I have to wonder if something like this actually helps repress the sex drive or if it just makes them feel guilty when they finally give in.

This isn't bashing, so we're good.

 

[Varian P]

Different animal. If they are doing harm to anyone, it's to themselves. Racism and homophobia aren't hallmarks of Mormonism - especially not racism. LDS accepts people of all races. The most homophobic people out there right now are mainstream Christians.

Go on...pile on. Bash Mormons. Have a blast. But don't try to convince me of your tolerance while you do so.

My point isn't that Mormons are racists or homophobes. My point is that there are beliefs which do a lot of harm, beyond that which is done to the individuals who subscribe to those beliefs. I happen to think a lot of religious doctrine falls into that category, and maintain that mocking the idea that women are the root of sin, that rape and slavery are A-OK, and that masturbation is a sin is a public service, just like laughing at stupid white men wearing pillowcases on their heads is.