There was a blurb on the news...

[lovetoread]

about this 14 year old who wanted to give her baby up for adoption.

But before she could,she has to put in the paper her name,and the name of all of the guys she slept with.

Does anyone know anymore about this?

I've searched all the news websites,I googled and and even searched msn's stuff,but I cant find it.

My first thought,is that if any of the guys she slept with is of age,could they get into trouble for sleeping with her?

 

[deliciously_naughty]

about this 14 year old who wanted to give her baby up for adoption.

But before she could,she has to put in the paper her name,and the name of all of the guys she slept with.

Does anyone know anymore about this?

I've searched all the news websites,I googled and and even searched msn's stuff,but I cant find it.

My first thought,is that if any of the guys she slept with is of age,could they get into trouble for sleeping with her?

I haven't heard of this, but yeah...if any of the guys she slept with is of age that makes it statutory rape (she isn't of the age to consent...therefore her agreeing still makes it rape). I think it's prolly an urban legend though

 

[lovetoread]

It was on msnbc this morning,right before they went to commercial.

 

[perks]

maybe so they have the right to keep the baby if they want?

 

[deliciously_naughty]

prolly to determine the paternity...some states have strict laws about that.

 

[WhatsHerName]

to legally give the baby up for adoption, she has to give the biological father a chance to say no. This is why she has to put the ad in the paper. These types of ad's usually are small and in the classified section with all the other legal mumbo.

I suppose that they could charge someone with statuatory rape. Most of the time the parents of the girl would have to press charges.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

I suppose that they could charge someone with statuatory rape. Most of the time the parents of the girl would have to press charges.

I think you're right. And you have to wonder about the parents of a 14 y.o. who has a baby.

But think about it...how embarassing for her...

 

[RhumbRunner13]

I think it's coming from a case here in Florida. An attorney is trying to set aside the Florida Law that requires posted notification of intended adoption procedures. Her "opponent" on the news talk show I saw was a man from Chicago who runs a registration base for men who feel there may be a child that is theirs, but the women will not allow testing or paternity rights.

The argument seemed to revolve around the concept that men don't want the children in the first place and if they want to protect their rights, all men who have sex can register in a database. If a woman then becomes pregnant, she would check the database to see if her "amour" was there.

The problem of pregnancy from rape is addressed in the Florida law, but the attorney still harped on the "unfairness" of forcing a rape victim to post any notice.

Interesting problem.

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[lisalove]

And you have to wonder about the parents of a 14 y.o. who has a baby.

How so? Many teens have sex and I doubt there are many parents who would be happy or supportive of a teen pregnancy. Kids think they are immune to the consequences of their actions, and so all the teaching and lectures in the world cannot prevent a reckless & irresponsible teenager from having unprotected sex.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

How so? Many teens have sex and I doubt there are many parents who would be happy or supportive of a teen pregnancy. Kids think they are immune to the consequences of their actions, and so all the teaching and lectures in the world cannot prevent a reckless & irresponsible teenager from having unprotected sex.

I'm not saying that teens don't have sex...I was one not that long ago....but if she's 14 with a baby, she was 13 when she had sex. And a 13 y.o. certainly isn't mature enough to make those kinds of decisions...the average age is 16 (and we can argue that to the floor) for a first sexual experience. I know quite a few experienced women and the youngest was 15. Among guys I know one or two who had an experience at 15 and one at 13, but most were 16 or older.

It's one thing if we're talking about a kid in high school. There are people with acess to cars/etc there. There is a greater demand for independence at a time when it should be given. But if we're talking about a middle school child, we are still talking about someone who isn't ready to make serious decisions. Yes, there is a sense of immortality at that age...hell, we have it well into our twenties.

Don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to play up the innocent little girl who knew nothing image. Our kids are more knowledgeable and savvy about sex than we were. And I'm speaking as a 24 y.o. who was shocked by her high school students. But...at the same time, 13/14 is still a young person. And part of me (the prude who I generally repress) is shocked...at 13/14 I had barely started kissing...and I wasn't about to let them touch my breasts, much less fuck me. I just keep coming back to the truth that a girl of 13/14 is very vunerable...at that age (and ladies, think back and you'll agree) she'd do anything to be accepted. If you don't believe me...teach middle school for a day and you'll see it first hand.

The reasons I brought up parents is these:

This girl was 13 when she got pregnant; if I had a 13 y.o. I would certainly be aware of what my child was doing and where she was going. Hell, at 13 I was barely allowed to go the movies without supervision...and my mom was pretty relaxed all in all. We're talking middle school...not a high school aged girl here. So yeah, I do wonder what was going on with the parents.

Then to be faced with a 13/14 year old who is pregnant. An abortion would have been the healthiest option. A 13 year old's body isn't ready to give birth. She might be having regular periods, but she is in danger of hurting herself quite badly by giving birth. Your body is still growing and changing at that age...it isn't fully ready to give birth.

Beyond that...the story is that she wants to give her baby up for adoption. She might...but her parents would have to sign the forms since she isn't old enough to sign a legal contract.


Beyond all that:
13 is not old enough, in any state in the US to consent to a sexual act. Having sex with a 13 year old is stat. rape and child abuse beyond that. No thirteen year old, however mature he or she may be, is ready to handle sex.

 

[lovetoread]

Ok,on msnbc they are gonna talk about the case.

If you want to see it.

 

[RhumbRunner13]

It's not an urban myth, here is an article.

Women who put babies up for adoption required to publish sexual pasts

By Jon Burstein
Sun-Sentinel
Posted August 7 2002
One is a woman who was slipped a date-rape drug. Another is a teenage girl who had sex with numerous classmates. A third traded her body for drugs.

All three women want to put their babies up for adoption and don’t know who the fathers are. But each is hesitant to go through adoption proceedings for the same reason: They fear a new law will require them to detail their sexual pasts in local newspapers.
The women, along with three others, are challenging the law, arguing that it is an unconstitutional invasion of their privacy.

The women’s attorney already convinced a Palm Beach County circuit judge last month to declare the notification requirement unconstitutional in cases where women were forcibly raped. The judge upheld the law as constitutional under all other circumstances, but the women’s attorney plans to appeal that part of his decision.

“The adoption community is up in arms against this [law],” said Boca Raton attorney Charlotte Danciu, who represents the six women. “When women come into my office and find their whole lives have to be exposed in the newspaper, they are like, ‘Forget it.’ They can abort without consent, but they can’t give the child an opportunity to live without humiliating themselves.”

The law is a part of revised Florida adoption requirements enacted last year that require a birth mother to make an exhaustive effort to locate the birth father to notify him about adoption proceedings.

When background searches don’t work, a birth mother must place legal notices about the adoption in a local newspaper where the baby was conceived.

In the newspaper notice, the mother must list her name, describe herself, name or describe the possible father(s) and list the date and the city or county of conception.

The legislator who spearheaded the overhaul of the state’s adoption laws said they were designed to make adoptions better, easier and quicker.

“The intent of the bill was that we in Florida would never have to suffer through all these failed adoption cases, many of which seemed to have occurred in Palm Beach County,” said state Sen. Skip Campbell, D-Tamarac. “Most of the problems you have in adoption cases has been notice requirements.”

One of the more notable cases was the fight over Baby Emily, who was born in 1992 to a Boca Raton woman who gave her up for adoption to a Plantation family. But the birth father subsequently contested the adoption and what followed was three years of bitter legal battles. The adoptive family ended up retaining custody.

Campbell said he doesn’t believe Danciu’s arguments that the notifications are prompting abortions.

“That is an argument they made before,” he said. “They can say whatever they want.”

He also pointed out that before the adoption law revisions, birth mothers were required to take out notices in local newspapers about the pending adoption proceedings.

But Jeanne Tate, executive vice president of the Florida Association of Adoption Professionals, said the state previously required women to divulge only when and where they gave birth.

The Tampa-based attorney said that since the law’s Oct. 1 enactment, she has had to publish dozens of the more-detailed notices.

“We do these publications every week and they are horrible, degrading and they are reminiscent of The Scarlet Letter,” Tate said.

Danciu said she hasn’t had any clients take out any such notices.

For her six clients who would fall under the new law, she opted to go before Palm Beach County Circuit Judge Peter Blanc in late May and ask him to declare it unconstitutional.

Adoption attorneys statewide think it was the first such challenge to the law.

On July 24, Blanc ruled the notification requirements were unconstitutional invasions of privacy of women who were forcibly sexually assaulted. But in all other cases, women who can’t locate or don’t know the birth father must take out newspaper notices, he found.

That includes underage girls who willingly had sex but were not old enough to legally consent, Blanc ruled.

While Danciu seeks to overturn part of Blanc’s ruling, Port St. Lucie resident Rodger Schneider waits. Schneider and his family want to adopt a 2-year-old girl whose teenage mother is one of the six women Danciu represents.

Schneider said the birth mother — a family friend — had her baby when she was 14 years old. The birth mother and her family are horrified they might have to place a newspaper notice where the baby was conceived.

“This is no one’s business but ours,” he said. “I think anyone under the age of 18 who has a baby shouldn’t have her name printed in the newspaper.”

He said he has been looking at fine-tuning the revisions in the next legislative session, but he isn’t seeking to amend the notification requirement.

“We were told as soon as we passed the bill, [adoption attorneys] would attack the bill,” he said. “If it is unconstitutional, then the Legislature would have to fix it with the guidance of the court.”

Jon Burstein can be reached at jburstein@sun-sentinel.com or 561-832-2895.
Copyright © 2002, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

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[lovetoread]

I you,I couldnt find an article anywhere.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

That's horrible

What an awful law...remind me never to live in florida. I can't believe a law like that passed. Wait...I can believe it passed, but that totally disgusts me.

It's totally shameful and sexist. No man would ever be required to do that, and it makes the women into public objects of scorn. How very "scarlett letter" as the article pointed out. I totally agree that it violates privacy laws...I would flat out refuse to do it, or make up an imaginary father before I'd do it.

It's a needless obstruction to a woman giving up an unwanted child. Yes, biological fathers have rights but there is absolutely NO need to publish this bullshit. And if the mother doesn't know who the father is, let's leave it at that. It's more of the "blame the victim" syndrome.

 

[perks]

are you saying girls that have sex and get pregnant are victims?

I was agreeing with you until that point.

 

[deliciously_naughty]

No, I'm saying that girls who have sex and get pregnant have rights....and forcing them to publically list everyone who may be the father of the unborn child is completely wrong. It's wrong in the same vein as a "rape victim brought it on themselves." In this case the girl screwed up and got pregnant...personally I would take care of the mistake with an abortion, but some women for whatever reason choose to carry the pregnancy to term. If they want to give the child up, they should be able to. I feel that not allowing someone to give up an unwanted child until they publically acknowledge their sins is a similar type of persecution to that which rape victims suffer.

 

[perks]

I don't agree that the humiliation is similar.

I agree that they're both humiliating.

but comparing a sexual choice with added humiliation
to rape and added humiliation, is apples and oranges, sugah.

One isn't a victim to begin with. The humiliation is a victimization.

Let's be clear on that.