There are two paths in life

[Mike_Yates]

College > successful career

No college > menial labor

It has become a requirement that you must have at least a bachelors degree from an accredited university if you are to have a job or career making enough money to afford a decent living. If you don't, you may have to spend the rest of your life doing menial labor under harsh conditions for extremely little pay.

In fact, in some cases you must have a masters degree or doctorate to get your foot in the door of an employer.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

that's not true.

i didn't goto college an i'm living the good life/good career(lol), it's been like this since birth really if i come to look at it.

 

[Mike_Yates]

that's not true.

i didn't goto college an i'm living the good life/good career(lol), it's been like this since birth really if i come to look at it.

In some cases the college degree requirement can be substituted by work experience. However this can be very tricky.

 

[MissMaidenMinx]

yeah but a university education does not mean you won't be stuck doing 'menial' labour.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

In some cases the college degree requirement can be substituted by work experience. However this can be very tricky.

yeah, but it's not that easy getting into college to those, specially cuz of the money issue. so they end up in community colleges owning probly the same about if they did goto a real college.

 

[thelovingsadist]

College > successful career

No college > menial labor

It has become a requirement that you must have at least a bachelors degree from an accredited university if you are to have a job or career making enough money to afford a decent living. If you don't, you may have to spend the rest of your life doing menial labor under harsh conditions for extremely little pay.

In fact, in some cases you must have a masters degree or doctorate to get your foot in the door of an employer.

Five years ago I would have disagreed with you. And given you a whole list of cocky, foolish reasons why someone doesn't have to go to college to acquire decent property, wealth and have a successful life. Now I'm a college student.

yeah, but it's not that easy getting into college to those, specially cuz of the money issue. so they end up in community colleges owning probly the same about if they did goto a real college.

There is a lot of financial aid besides loans that help the money issue, like grants and work study.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

There is a lot of financial aid besides loans that help the money issue, like grants and work study.

true... that also.

 

[Mike_Yates]

I have the money to go to my state college ($20,000 for four years) but the only thing restricting me from continuing my education beyond high school is my level of intelligence.

I was told by my high school psychologist that I had an IQ of 89 and I was put in special education. I have low intelligence and therefore college could be extremely difficult if not outright impossible.

The staggering coursework difficulty and workloads of college would be too much for me to comprehend and in all likelihood I would fail.

Also, my job and career options are limited because of my mental deficiency.

 

[MissMaidenMinx]

I have the money to go to my state college ($20,000 for four years) but the only thing restricting me from continuing my education beyond high school is my level of intelligence.

I was told by my high school psychologist that I had an IQ of 89 and I was put in special education. I have low intelligence and therefore college could be extremely difficult if not outright impossible.

The staggering coursework difficulty and workloads of college would be too much for me to comprehend and in all likelihood I would fail.

Also, my job and career options are limited because of my mental deficiency.

Really? IQ of 89? I'd try that again if I were you. You come across to me as well on the intelligent side of the scale.

College education is so different from high school, it really is. I never thought I could seek higher education as I was a D average student in high school. I have just finished my first semester (part time and online) and I am not sure of my final grades yet, but I didn't get lower than a distinction in any of my assesments so I know I have done so much better than I ever imagined I can.

Seriously dude, I reckon your high school psych got it wrong. I really do. I got 131 on an IQ test a few years ago. They say your IQ can't and doesn't change, but I can assure you if I had done the test in high school I would have been put in special classes too.

It sounds to me you had your confidence trampled on at a young age and don't know how to recover. Take the IQ test again. There are some good ones online. I am almost certain you will get a more pleasing result.

One of the reasons I am so confident of this is the people I know with 2 digit IQs could NEVER read Orwell.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Half of life, and success, is simply showing up.

You would be surprised at how many people fail that part.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

Half of life, and success, is simply showing up.

You would be surprised at how many people fail that part.

many will

 

[thelovingsadist]

They say your IQ can't and doesn't change

They actually say the opposite. IQ changes with time and age, both for the better and for the worse, depending on a lot of things. IQ tests are also different, themselves. A high school test will be very different then one taken online for fun, and both of them will be very, very different from the entrance test for Mensa.

Intelligence is, in general, a skill. Not a gift or some sort of genetic inheritance or what have you, but a skill acquired through studying and hard work done to improve ones mind and self. Intelligence can also fall, by neglecting studies and neglecting the intelligence already acquired; or by some diseases, like those that effect memory and the mind (Alzheimer's is all that comes to mind at the moment). Long term heavy drug addiction and alcoholism have also been known to effect the mind in negative ways, and thus intelligence also.

Now, "common" sense, that wonderful thing that is so rare and uncommon...that may be a different story entirely.

 

[MissMaidenMinx]

They actually say the opposite. IQ changes with time and age, both for the better and for the worse, depending on a lot of things. IQ tests are also different, themselves. A high school test will be very different then one taken online for fun, and both of them will be very, very different from the entrance test for Mensa.

Intelligence is, in general, a skill. Not a gift or some sort of genetic inheritance or what have you, but a skill acquired through studying and hard work done to improve ones mind and self. Intelligence can also fall, by neglecting studies and neglecting the intelligence already acquired; or by some diseases, like those that effect memory and the mind (Alzheimer's is all that comes to mind at the moment). Long term heavy drug addiction and alcoholism have also been known to effect the mind in negative ways, and thus intelligence also.

Now, "common" sense, that wonderful thing that is so rare and uncommon...that may be a different story entirely.

Interesting. It all makes sense and it's nice to know that since I was last taught such things attitudes have changed.
I have always wanted to do the mensa test. Not because I think I am mensa smart, but just for an accurate, recognised score.

Common sense... *sigh* I miss it being as common as the name suggests.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Interesting. It all makes sense and it's nice to know that since I was last taught such things attitudes have changed.
I have always wanted to do the mensa test. Not because I think I am mensa smart, but just for an accurate, recognised score.

Common sense... *sigh* I miss it being as common as the name suggests.

Keep in mind that the MENSA test is painfully difficult.

 

[MissMaidenMinx]

Keep in mind that the MENSA test is painfully difficult.

Dude, it's mensa, of course it would be.
So I'm guessing you have tried it?

 

[thelovingsadist]

Mensa also has a practice test of sorts they can mail to you, take, and mail back to them. It doesn't get you "in" Mensa, but it's a challenging test that can tell you, individually, whether or not you are up to trying for the real test. I don't know about Aussies, but here we have to pay for it though. Mensa has plenty of fees.

There is also a Mensa "Workout," that's an online test of sorts. Again, it won't get you "in," but it can show you how high class Mensa can be.

http://www.mensa.org/workout.php

 

[Mike_Yates]

Dude, it's mensa, of course it would be.
So I'm guessing you have tried it?

No, I have not.

 

[thelovingsadist]

Mensa also has a practice test of sorts that you can take. They mail it to you, you take it and mail it back. It won't get you "in," but it can be good practice before the real thing; or tell you whether or not you are even up to taking the real thing. Or it can just be a fun challenge, if you know you can handle the main test. I don't know about Aussies, but here you have to pay for it to take it--not a fortune, but it's still money. Mensa has plenty of fees.

They also have an online quiz called the Mensa Workout, that you can take for fun. Again, it won't get you in Mensa and I'm pretty sure it's score has little to do with "official" IQ scores, but it can show you how challenging Mensa can be and can be a fun little game to play with.

http://www.mensa.org/workout.php

 

[thelovingsadist]

What the fuck... I swear to god, I checked and waited for the first post to show up and it didn't. I thought stuff glitched and killed it.

Shit. I want the time it took to write the second post back.

 

[MissMaidenMinx]

No, I have not.

That probably wasn't the wisest of questions on my part, considering how you started this thread...

I would like to reiterate that I really am personally certain that you are much more intelligent than you think you are. Sure I'm only getting the impression you are willing to provide, though you really do seem to have a level of intelligence that I, personally, admire and enjoy.

As for the world of employment, the goal shouldn't be money or status, the goal should be comfort and contentment.

 

[pete]

College > successful career

No college > menial labor

It has become a requirement that you must have at least a bachelors degree from an accredited university if you are to have a job or career making enough money to afford a decent living. If you don't, you may have to spend the rest of your life doing menial labor under harsh conditions for extremely little pay.

In fact, in some cases you must have a masters degree or doctorate to get your foot in the door of an employer.

dude you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[CombatBaby]

I took path number 3. Success as yet undetermined.