The Walking Dead

[Recidiva]

Why the fuck have we got two threads?

Harder for the zombies to find us.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Because someone named Killswitch didn't check before starting his own thread.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I watched it again. So...who honked the horn?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I would have to watch the episode again bit by bit to even hazard a guess. I mean it seems like everybody with a name was present and accounted for but we saw enough scenes with new people to know we have a fuck ton of new faces that we know nothing about. In addition I highly doubt the Wolves were dealt with during. . .is this days later? Weeks? It seems they're still getting used to the new faces and the new faces were only out to scavenge so it can't be but SO long. . . Anyway the wolves are probably still around and if they had spies either in Alexandria (almost certain) or were just watching they could have done it.

Still honestly I don't even have good guesses.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Dead dad's kid is a prime suspect, I suppose.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I hope not. Mostly cus I don't want Rick to not get pussy because he has to stab a bitch but seriously, you have to stab a bitch.

 

[about_average]

Anyway the wolves are probably still around and if they had spies either in Alexandria (almost certain) or were just watching they could have done it.

Hmm...I'm still wondering what was up with the kid (can't remember now if it was Carl, the girl he hangs with, or one of the others) lying on a bed reading a magazine not long after Rick and gang arrived. It had "Wolves" written on the back cover I think it was.

I'm sure they are still around because they killed a guy at the end of last season.

 

[about_average]

.....

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hmm...I'm still wondering what was up with the kid (can't remember now if it was Carl, the girl he hangs with, or one of the others) lying on a bed reading a magazine not long after Rick and gang arrived. It had "Wolves" written on the back cover I think it was.

I'm sure they are still around because they killed a guy at the end of last season.

Great, now I have to go on Netflix and start digging through Season five to see if I can find that. . .after I head over to TV tropes and see if that lot saw it. They tend to be pretty bloody on top of things.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Rick's plan was too complicated. Too much that could go wrong. No wonder people are starting to question his authority.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The strange little girl honked the horn... If I had to guess

 

[Sean Renaud]

Rick's plan was too complicated. Too much that could go wrong. No wonder people are starting to question his authority.

His plan really wasn't that complicated. Lead walkers away from place you don't want them. The major obstacle he did hit prior to the end was that they didn't clear out that store in advance but that was the plan.

These people are questioning his authority and have since before he had it. Season 5 is basically the story of Alexandria the town to dumb to live but alive anyway. Now we know they were basically spared by fell circumstance. They are questioning Rick because they are weary of life and ignorance of the consequences of being stupid. They're just lucky Shane isn't here.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

His plan really wasn't that complicated. Lead walkers away from place you don't want them. The major obstacle he did hit prior to the end was that they didn't clear out that store in advance but that was the plan.

These people are questioning his authority and have since before he had it. Season 5 is basically the story of Alexandria the town to dumb to live but alive anyway. Now we know they were basically spared by fell circumstance. They are questioning Rick because they are weary of life and ignorance of the consequences of being stupid. They're just lucky Shane isn't here.

I grew up on a farm and frequently had to transfer livestock from one penned area to another, sometimes over miles. Zombies behave a lot like livestock. Once one gets headed in the wrong direction, it all goes to hell. Plus the size of the operation was 1000X greater.

If they had had the time, your slingshot idea was better.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I admit to having close to no experience with live stock. In fact if you discount various field trips and the like I have zero pracapp with the critters. So I'm basing this more on the observed zombie behavior and what I've read and observed for live stock.

First and this part is important. Zombies like noise. That's why the pit was capturing them in the first place. Daryl, Abraham and what's her face didn't really need to be there hearding the zombies. They would have gotten the same exact effect by rigging up a way to turn off the car alarms from a far (like say a rope to an important wire and someone ready to yank it) and just throwing rocks to sett off the cars. When the front of the herd gets to the car, yank the cord and set off another alarm farther down the way.

Second. Live stock from what little I've seen are programmed to stay together mostly as a defense mechanism. That's why they do it and why herding cats is basically impossible. Their insticts say DON'T DO THAT! So many of the mishaps they hit with zeds wouldn't happen with livestock and vice versa.

Given time my plan with slingshots was superior. And probably so were a lot of other plans. Coming out one or to at a time Michonne could use them as a work out program. However the bullshit of this episode happened precisely because they didn't have time. This was supposed to be a dry run not the actual op. Granted the world moves as quickly as the plot decides. So if Rick n Friends had never come to Alexandria that pit would have held until 2525 when the alien invasion took it out. But that aside Rick was correct in you deal with problems on your schedule when possible.

 

[about_average]

Great, now I have to go on Netflix and start digging through Season five to see if I can find that. . .after I head over to TV tropes and see if that lot saw it. They tend to be pretty bloody on top of things.

I can't remember which episode it was, but it was when Carl met the other kids and they were all hanging out at one of their houses in the bedroom.

I grew up on a farm and frequently had to transfer livestock from one penned area to another, sometimes over miles. Zombies behave a lot like livestock. Once one gets headed in the wrong direction, it all goes to hell. Plus the size of the operation was 1000X greater.

You don't heard livestock from in front with noise, unless it's maybe the sound of feed in a bucket. And they weren't herding the zombies like a cattle drive.

Given time my plan with slingshots was superior.

I dunno. The zombies were pretty far away for slingshots to really be effective. They could have gotten closer to start, but there were so many that eventually the piles of incapacitated zombies would be so large they wouldn't be able to get very close.
And it's probably good they didn't try it because even if it had worked, it would have taken so long that truck would probably have fallen before they were done and then they'd really have been fucked.

So if Rick n Friends had never come to Alexandria that pit would have held until 2525 when the alien invasion took it out. But that aside Rick was correct in you deal with problems on your schedule when possible.

How do you figure that? Rick & Co. didn't have anything to do with the truck falling in to the pit.

 

[MNGuy]

Why didn't they clear out the tractor place while they were all standing there making plans. It would have been a more one on one melee instead of just three taking them on later.

I remember an old adage, no plan survives contact with the enemy.

The SO and I have a bet on who is honking the horn. Loser goes down.

 

[about_average]

Why didn't they clear out the tractor place while they were all standing there making plans. It would have been a more one on one melee instead of just three taking them on later.

They were planning on all doing it on the way back, since they weren't planning on the herding to take place that day.
But I don't know why they wanted to wait. Dramatic effect I guess

After this long you'd think they'd have learned to not put things off.

 

[spacekowboy]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/images.hitfix.com/assets/9636/zombiehorde.jpg

This is why you need mortars.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I can't remember which episode it was, but it was when Carl met the other kids and they were all hanging out at one of their houses in the bedroom.

You don't heard livestock from in front with noise, unless it's maybe the sound of feed in a bucket. And they weren't herding the zombies like a cattle drive.
I dunno. The zombies were pretty far away for slingshots to really be effective. They could have gotten closer to start, but there were so many that eventually the piles of incapacitated zombies would be so large they wouldn't be able to get very close.
And it's probably good they didn't try it because even if it had worked, it would have taken so long that truck would probably have fallen before they were done and then they'd really have been fucked.

How do you figure that? Rick & Co. didn't have anything to do with the truck falling in to the pit.

Okay, I might be able to track that episode down.

As for getting close I don't think you'd need to. The shooting down means you're not going to lose much force on a slingshot round over distance because gravity is still pulling it down. The zombies as pictured above are pretty densely packed so at least for the first few hundred or thousand aiming isn't important cus you can't miss. Now in real life the human skull is too thick for a slingshot to be a truly effective weapon. To score a kill you need to either enter through the ocular cavity or strike the temple. But given how easily knives seem to slide into zombies I'm running with the concept that zombies are made of moosh. These guys aren't swinging for the fenses with their knives. OFten they basically just press them through.

As for how do I figure you kinda cut off the relevant part of my statement when you quoted me which is that things happen at the speed of 'plot'. Rick doesn't have to do anything but be present for shit to happen because the story is about him. So those trucks would have held for hundreds of years for the exact same reason Jack Bauer is always in town when shit goes down. The power of plot is a powerful thing. It's also why Daryl can shove his hand in a walkers mouth and use it's skull as a weapon. Plot Armor, hard to come by but when you have it you can get away with stupid shit.

They were planning on all doing it on the way back, since they weren't planning on the herding to take place that day.
But I don't know why they wanted to wait. Dramatic effect I guess

After this long you'd think they'd have learned to not put things off.

Exactly. And they were probably trying to make sure there were no other trouble spots since this was again a dry run. We have no idea how many dry runs were intended but this is heavily implied to be the first based on how he is pointing out the hazards. I imagine they would have done a sweep of the woods also given time.

Hell going back to power of the plot it's a damn good thing that truck decided to fall when it did instead of say while Rick was off discussing it or while they were all chillaxing in Alexandria.

 

[spacekowboy]

Also, the bass player from That Thing You Do was a total bitch and needed killing.

 

[about_average]

As for getting close I don't think you'd need to. The shooting down means you're not going to lose much force on a slingshot round over distance because gravity is still pulling it down. The zombies as pictured above are pretty densely packed so at least for the first few hundred or thousand aiming isn't important cus you can't miss.

You can't miss a zombie, but at that distance I think a lot more would miss a solid "killing" head shot than you think. They'd be there a long time shooting.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't think you'd have any trouble hitting skulls at least during the early going. Again they are just so densly packed. The question is whether their heads are soft like I think they are based on knifes going though them like a hot knife through butter or if I'm way off base there.

And yeah they'd probably be there for months but it's not like they have a whole lot of other pressing things to do. You have some people scavenging and farming, and some people slingshotting. IT's a long term project. Same as keeping the fence clear was at the prison just more offense than defense like that was.

 

[Porkwarrior]

It's Hollywood, the only thing they know about guns & knives is that they are bad.

+1 on mortars. They've got Abraham, he could throw one together in an afternoon.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

It's Hollywood, the only thing they know about guns & knives is that they are bad.

+1 on mortars. They've got Abraham, he could throw one together in an afternoon.

Mortars, bombs, rockets, etc are no good against zombies. It was discussed at some length in World War Z during the battle of Yonkers. Those weapons are made for use against people who can be incapacitated or killed by more than a head shot.
Dropping mortars into that mess would make things worse. Of course things go worse anyway and now (probably) that teenage asshole is screwing them all by drawing the zombies in. If it's not the teenage asshole it's that other group that's been lurking around.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

And one more thing, you know that scene where the zombie was stuck under that piece of farm equipment? How the hell did she get there? What an odd way to die.