The True Cost of California's Minimum Wage Hikes

[Disgustipated]

Hell no, throw their asses out!

I'll be so glad when I move from this hellhole. Even the weather is starting to suck here.

We'll be glad as well. In the true sense of GTFO

 

[BotanyBoy]

I hope like 20 more million GTFO too.

Mother fuckers quit draining my lakes.

 

[Conager]

I hope like 20 more million GTFO too.

Mother fuckers quit draining my lakes.

Well you may not have water reserves for all the people, but you are having some luck watering down California's evil, white privilege by importing diversity.

Did you know that before you can plat a subdivision in AZ, you have to document that the area has a plan for a 100 year water supply?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well you may not have water reserves for all the people, but you are having some luck watering down California's evil, white privilege by importing diversity.

Yea! Kill whitey!! that's progress....

Did you know that before you can plat a subdivision in AZ, you have to document that the area has a plan for a 100 year water supply?

Interesting.

Well, I live in the green, I wish the folks who live in the brown would quit stealing my blue because I'd like it to stay green here.

Naww' mean?

 

[Disgustipated]

I hope like 20 more million GTFO too.

Mother fuckers quit draining my lakes.

AQUADUCT​, BITCHES!

 

[Disgustipated]

Well you may not have water reserves for all the people, but you are having some luck watering down California's evil, white privilege by importing diversity.

Did you know that before you can plat a subdivision in AZ, you have to document that the area has a plan for a 100 year water supply?

What about a 100 year flood plan?

 

[Conager]

Yea! Kill whitey!! that's progress....



Interesting.

Well, I live in the green, I wish the folks who live in the brown would quit stealing my blue because I'd like it to stay green here.

Naww' mean?

I've had to learn some things in my professional past about water rights but I only really know about Arizona I know a little bit about other states. For example in New Mexico I understand it now because I briefly rights to a well there you cannot drill any new wells anywhere in New Mexico without buying the right somewhere else and abandoning another well.

The entire Pacific Northwest in my mind is entirely undervalued simply on the basis of water availability. Which is going to be key in the distant future. All of that though does you no good if your water rights are not treated as property rights and are subject to being voted way.

Arizona is what's known as an apriori State; I have a feeling California is not. The concept is whoever uses the water first has the right to it regardless whether they're upstream or downstream from some other potential user of that water source. This was to prevent cattleman in sheep ranchers from simply moving upstream and homesteading for the purpose of stealing the water of the guy downstream.

Water rights is a facinating field, but like most other areas of the law, knowledge about it is completely worthless since actual decisions are rendered on a political basis, meaning pay for play.

 

[HisArpy]

A real man would just go ahead and move out if he hated his environs so much,
not just whine about it.

Just sayin'....

Well, I would move immediately except I'm in the process of pulling up deeply rooted trust investments and property holdings and locating suitable places to transplant them to. Which will take awhile. At least I got a plan and I'm working on it, so, not whining.

 

[Conager]

What about a 100 year flood plan?

The usually dry Salt River, rechristened the Rio Salado project expensively through Tempe, experiences "100 year floods" every 15-20 years. We are due, and some insurance companies, one of which is actually headquartered in and the Rio Salado project, are going to take a bath. So to speak.

Hydraulic pressure is really hard to resist. It will be entertaining to watch.

 

[HisArpy]

I've had to learn some things in my professional past about water rights but I only really know about Arizona I know a little bit about other states. For example in New Mexico I understand it now because I briefly rights to a well there you cannot drill any new wells anywhere in New Mexico without buying the right somewhere else and abandoning another well.

The entire Pacific Northwest in my mind is entirely undervalued simply on the basis of water availability. Which is going to be key in the distant future. All of that though does you no good if your water rights are not treated as property rights and are subject to being voted way.

Arizona is what's known as an apriori State; I have a feeling California is not. The concept is whoever uses the water first has the right to it regardless whether they're upstream or downstream from some other potential user of that water source. This was to prevent cattleman in sheep ranchers from simply moving upstream and homesteading for the purpose of stealing the water of the guy downstream.

Water rights is a facinating field, but like most other areas of the law, knowledge about it is completely worthless since actual decisions are rendered on a political basis, meaning pay for play.

This is totally true. In the Sacramento Delta, some of the farmers have water rights which existed prior to Statehood. They recently lost a fight over those rights because the people in the city (you know, the place where the judges live) were determined to have an equal right to the water. The Imperial Valley lost some of it's Colorado River water rights to San Diego a few years ago on the same basis.

California has a State Constitutional Amendment which make ALL the water in this State the property of the people (ie the government). It wasn't meant to be used in the way it's being used today, but socialism often goes beyond original intent in the quest to own everything and everyone.

 

[Conager]

Well, I would move immediately except I'm in the process of pulling up deeply rooted trust investments and property holdings and locating suitable places to transplant them to. Which will take awhile. At least I got a plan and I'm working on it, so, not whining.

Getting all of the dominos lined up for a 1031 exchange on multiple properties is rather complicated isn't it?

I haven't had anything to do with one in over a decade though so maybe the tax code requirements have been simplified? Hahahahaha. Just kidding.

 

[Conager]

This is totally true. In the Sacramento Delta, some of the farmers have water rights which existed prior to Statehood. They recently lost a fight over those rights because the people in the city (you know, the place where the judges live) were determined to have an equal right to the water. The Imperial Valley lost some of it's Colorado River water rights to San Diego a few years ago on the same basis.

California has a State Constitutional Amendment which make ALL the water in this State the property of the people (ie the government). It wasn't meant to be used in the way it's being used today, but socialism often goes beyond original intent in the quest to own everything and everyone.

In my mind that's absolutely grounds for a shooting war. I would feel exactly the same about that theft as they felt in the old west about horse theives.

 

[Conager]

This is totally true. In the Sacramento Delta, some of the farmers have water rights which existed prior to Statehood. They recently lost a fight over those rights because the people in the city (you know, the place where the judges live) were determined to have an equal right to the water. The Imperial Valley lost some of it's Colorado River water rights to San Diego a few years ago on the same basis.

California has a State Constitutional Amendment which make ALL the water in this State the property of the people (ie the government). It wasn't meant to be used in the way it's being used today, but socialism often goes beyond original intent in the quest to own everything and everyone.

On another issue, mineral rights, when I briefly studied that...I was shocked to find out that nearly everyone in the state of Arizona does not own the mineral rights under their own property. Which is really weird in a state were so much of our revenue comes from mining.

I seem to remember it was some sort of concession to being granted statehood and so that may not be unique in the western States.

Learning more about that is on my "to learn" punch-list, but I figured I'd get around to that when and if I actually stumble across some valuable minerals.

 

[BotanyBoy]

AQUADUCT​, BITCHES!

Oh I know they will.

It's all good I'm only here for a few more years.

I've had to learn some things in my professional past about water rights but I only really know about Arizona I know a little bit about other states.

CA basically you don't have any. L.A. , SF, Sac and uber Ag own the water here, shit they are trying to put a meter on my well to charge me the water I use from the well I paid a small fortune to permit.

The entire Pacific Northwest in my mind is entirely undervalued simply on the basis of water availability. Which is going to be key in the distant future. All of that though does you no good if your water rights are not treated as property rights and are subject to being voted way.

Which is what happens.

Water rights is a facinating field, but like most other areas of the law, knowledge about it is completely worthless since actual decisions are rendered on a political basis, meaning pay for play.

Yep. Money money money.

The water is the states and they will use it as a weapon in any way it sees fit.

 

[Sean]

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[Sean]

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[BotanyBoy]

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Emotional appeal for???? What???

Crying because your hustle is weak??

 

[hashtag46]

Emotional appeal for???? What???

Crying because your hustle is weak??

What emotional appeal?

It makes a lot more sense, and it's much more compassionate to lower salaries or tax those who can afford to use money as toilet paper

Than overtaxing the middle class or businnness owners, (the Left commie way)
or keeping the blue collars in poverty (the Right Wing way.

And we're not talking about taking all their money away. Just dropping their annual salary from 5 millions to one million, or asking billionaires to pay the same tax2s like everybody else.
Because a manager or CEO are just push papers and technocrats. They're not really keeping the company afloat, just coordinating and answering emails.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What emotional appeal?

"Look how much they have!" emotional appeal to justifying going and taking from others.

If you have a just reason for taxes make your case, but "they have more than I do" simply doesn't cut it in an even remotely free or civilized society.

That's just being a hater...plain and simple.

It makes a lot more sense, and it's much more compassionate to lower salaries or tax those who can afford to use money as toilet paper

Based upon what?

Make a moral argument on why it makes more sense to take more from the rich.

Than overtaxing the middle class or businnness owners, (the Left commie way)
or keeping the blue collars in poverty (the Right Wing way.

Those are both left wing.

Right wing = everyone for themselves.

And we're not talking about taking all their money away. Just dropping their annual salary from 5 millions to one million,

Not all, just 80%!!! lol that's cool as long as you take 80% from everyone else too.

or asking billionaires to pay the same tax2s like everybody else.

They already do.

Because a manager or CEO are just push papers and technocrats. They're not really keeping the company afloat, just coordinating and answering emails.

LOL....what absolute bullshit. You've never run a company have you?

 

[hashtag46]

They're keeping people enslaved and subservient to this neoliberal neofeudalistic system that they created starting with the 70's

By cultivating this false mentality that if the oligarchy would be in any way challenged, the entire system might collapse.

Greece found itself in an similar situation centuries ago: citizens being heavily indebted by a small class of elite merchants.
And Solon did the unthinkable and the system didn't collapse.

 

[hashtag46]

Come on don't be ridic.
Even brain surgeons don't earn 10 millions a year.
1-2 millions are more than enough,

Or 10 shareholders amassimg a. Billion dolkars in prophit every year by paying chinese workers a follar a day.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They're keeping people enslaved and deoendent on this neofeudalistic system that they created starting the 70's

Alllllllll government.

And it's neosocialism, corporate flavor, not really neofeudalism which implies familial nobility vs a more modern government/corporate setup.

By cultivating this false mentality that if the oligarchy would be in any way challenged, the entire system might collapse.

The false mentality is that the government will stop the corporatocracy that it has become not only dependent on but built upon.

How many politicians have sold us on the promise that they would?

How many follow through? Like 3 or 4 in all of the US, and they are branded unelectable nut jobs as soon as they refuse to toe that party line. Everyone else has turned right around and bent us all over for ubercorps to fuck dry.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Come on don't be ridic.

What is being ridiculous by asking you to justify why you should take 80%+ of someones wealth beyond "because it's there and I can."???

Even brain surgeons don't earn 10 millions a year.

Who cares?? What's that got to do with anything?

1-2 millions are more than enough,

According to who?

I don't think it is.

 

[hashtag46]

So you're a corporatist and billionaires boot licker.

Gotcha.

 

[hashtag46]

You sound silly.

Deciding to pay a CEO 1.000 an hour instead of 3.000 in your book means stealing from them

But continuing to oay blue collar workers the miserable sallary of 10 an hour instead of 15 is ok. Cuz they aren't valuable


Nobody is taking any money away from them. It's justvreadjusting further earnings to less nonsensical values