The Threat Of A Red Britain

[Bad_Doggie]

Parliament seems to have a majority against No Deal but NO majority for anything else. That is nonsense.

It seems to know what it doesn't want; which is just about everything so far and not what it does want.

Well we do know what it does want but the people have said they don't want that! Hence we are where we are.

Woof!

 

[jaF0]

It seems to know what it doesn't want; which is just about everything so far and not what it does want.

Sounds like Congress.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Botany, This really isn't a left/right issue. All parties are split. Some hard right want to stay, or leave with the deal. It was a Tory government leading the campaign to stay, and a Tory deal.

You're right, much like in the US it's coming down to nationalists vs. globalist.

But I bet if you look behind the demographics the nationalist are largely right wing, and the globalist remainers are largely left.

Lefties hate the EU as a neo-liberal corporate club. Tony Benn, my political hero, railed against it for decades.

Oh so it's the left who wants to Brexit?? The left is all about giving the EU the finger???

I had no idea it's was the left putting national sovereignty over international conformity. Everything I've heard here says the exact opposite and it's the alt-Right Nazi scum Boaris Trumpster Johnson types who were on about leaving the EU.

 

[Specula]

It’s hard to exaggerate the threat represented by Corbyn and Co. taking control of our most important ally.
By Rich Lowry
September 4, 2019 5:30 AM

Tory prime minister Boris Johnson has, to his credit, seized the initiative in the battle over whether Britain will truly exit the EU, and on what terms.

But no one can know how this high-stakes gamble will turn out. Johnson just lost his slender parliamentary majority, and the prospect of a new election looms. If things break the wrong way, the winner could be opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn, a throwback leftist redolent of the bad old days of Britain’s self-imposed stagnation.

It’s hard to exaggerate the threat represented by Corbyn and Co. taking control of our most important ally. In U.S. terms, Corbyn is a mashup of Bernie Sanders and the Squad, mixing orthodox socialist economics with a hostility to U.S. foreign policy and Israel.

He is a lefty caricature. George Orwell once complained of “the smell of crankishness” in the socialist movement, and wished he could send every vegetarian and teetotaler home “to do his yoga exercises quietly.”

Corbyn’s past, and present, is littered with valentines to left-wing thugs. He cozied up to the IRA in the 1980s when it was trying to decapitate the British government by bombing. He wrote for a pro-Soviet newspaper during the Cold War. He called the Russian invasion of Ukraine “not unprovoked.” He’s said warm things about Hamas and Hezbollah, and can’t bear to condemn Islamic terrorism without also criticizing the West.

More here:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-threat-most-important-us-ally/

I feel that almost any nose akin to yours - yours being quite specifically excepted, of course - would be more usefully pointed towards the White House than to Westminster!

 

[dolf]

I feel that almost any nose akin to yours - yours being quite specifically excepted, of course - would be more usefully pointed towards the White House than to Westminster!

You really think it's a bad thing to examine the world beyond your own borders?

 

[jaF0]

'Rump of the UK seems to have been bitch slapped pretty good today, so what now? Does he go whimpering to the Queen again?

 

[RobDownSouth]

There is no fault, you can call attention to it all you want.

Do tell, what is wrong with it???

I have no issue with homosexuality, but then, I wasn't the one invoking it in the first place. You were the one who brought up "up the ass" rhetoric first.

I always think it somewhat droll when an incel welfare queen such as yourself attempts to emasculate those who disagree with you. It's not as ironic as when your "passable transvestite" brothers-in-arms (Conager and kantarii) do it, but still worth a chuckle.

Heaven forbid you actually attempt to debate an issue on its own merits....but those 100+ shitposts a day aren't going to write themselves, right?

 

[tallladiesman]

The EU 'backstop' is an attempt by Ireland to take over Northern Ireland. If they succeed the violence will be far worse than 'The Troubles'.

Care to provide any evidence to back that statement up?
The British exchequer would break your arm to get out of the north. The northern Ireland subvention vastly exceeds the EU subvention costs. Loyalist paramilitaries (drug dealers) will find it hugely difficult to sustain a campaign without weapons funds and intelligence supplied by the British for over forty years.
Also what will they be fighting for? A union that no longer exists. Once Ireland is United no one in GB will be remotely interested in recreating the failed state of NI at a cost to them of over £10 billion per year and will hammer any loyalists who try to start any nonsense. As for the Irish authorities they will come down on violent loyalism like a ton of bricks.
So as I said at the start, please provide some evidence to back up your hysterical statement

 

[oggbashan]

Care to provide any evidence to back that statement up?
The British exchequer would break your arm to get out of the north. The northern Ireland subvention vastly exceeds the EU subvention costs. Loyalist paramilitaries (drug dealers) will find it hugely difficult to sustain a campaign without weapons funds and intelligence supplied by the British for over forty years.
Also what will they be fighting for? A union that no longer exists. Once Ireland is United no one in GB will be remotely interested in recreating the failed state of NI at a cost to them of over £10 billion per year and will hammer any loyalists who try to start any nonsense. As for the Irish authorities they will come down on violent loyalism like a ton of bricks.
So as I said at the start, please provide some evidence to back up your hysterical statement

Hysterical? You don't understand Northern Ireland.

The Unionist paramilitaries have never been short of weapons or targets. They hate the Irish government and Sinn Finn. They don't care about collateral damage - they will just attack anything and anyone not Unionist.

As for what they are fighting for? Their survival?

If the Irish Authorities come down like 'a ton of bricks' they will just be more targets as will the Irish state itself.

The IRA targeted Westminster MPs. Are rhe TDs as prepared?

The Good Friday agreement depends on the Unionist paramilitaries supporting it as well.

 

[Curmudgeonly]

Righties really don't like democracy, do they? Boris tried to be a dictator and parliament fucked him. And we're watching the destruction of the Conservative party, which is quite fun. When the walking haystack expels the likes of Ken Clark and Fatty Soames, you know they've been taken over by a bunch of nutjobs.

Nor does any freedom-loving, sentient being.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I have no issue with homosexuality, but then, I wasn't the one invoking it in the first place. You were the one who brought up "up the ass" rhetoric first.

Then why did you bring it up??

You're the only one who brought up anything about homosexuality, at an attempted dig at me...while disparaging the LGBTQ+ community with attacks against my sexuality. You're just another racial slur away from the complete bigot package.

^^^ Still moar #TotallyNotHomo mental imagery from Lit's incel Welfare Queen.

I never brought up anything about homosexuality.

I always think it somewhat droll when an incel welfare queen such as yourself attempts to emasculate those who disagree with you. Heaven forbid you actually attempt to debate an issue on its own merits....but those 100+ shitposts a day aren't going to write themselves, right?

Rob has the projection turned up to 11.

Pick an issue, start a thread.

Let's see who sticks to the merits and who resorts to name calling first

 

[Sean]

Hysterical? You don't understand Northern Ireland.

Wanna try that line with me?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Then why did you bring it up??

You're the only one who brought up anything about homosexuality, at an attempted dig at me...while disparaging the LGBTQ+ community with attacks against my sexuality. You're just another racial slur away from the complete bigot package.
I never brought up anything about homosexuality.
Rob has the projection turned up to 11.
Pick an issue, start a thread.
Let's see who sticks to the merits and who resorts to name calling first

Let's review. You said...

Bend over and take it up the ass ...

And now you're repeatedly attempting to say that has nothing at all to do with homosexuality....nothing at all.

Perhaps you can share with the class exactly why you felt it necessary to use that particular phrase?

 

[Bad_Doggie]

Oh so it's the left who wants to Brexit?? The left is all about giving the EU the finger???

I had no idea it's was the left putting national sovereignty over international conformity. Everything I've heard here says the exact opposite and it's the alt-Right Nazi scum Boaris Trumpster Johnson types who were on about leaving the EU.

That’s because you’re looking at this through a simplistic lens and assuming this is a motivator for them, when it’s not.

The “left” or the Corbynesque left wants power, by any means, to enable their socialist program and the destruction of Capitalist Britain. Corbyn has been a Briexiter all his political life and his stance has been consistently dishonest from day one. He’s hoping this political chaos gives him the chance to grab power as the conservatives destroy themselves and will do anything to fan the flames, even when it’s not in the national interest. Yeah it’s that fucked up.

As far as anyone can tell, in this chaos, he will fail miserably in an election going by current polls.

'Rump of the UK seems to have been bitch slapped pretty good today, so what now? Does he go whimpering to the Queen again?

Who fucking knows? And the Queen has no real political power anyway, Parliament is sovereign.

We need an election; but now Parliament is refusing to give one due to the fixed term act requiring 2/3 of Parliament assenting, adding to the chaos.

The only way this can even begin to be resolved is for the people to return a government with enough power to carry out it’s mandate. At the moment we have a minority government trying to carry through the most complex and controversial policy in decades if not centuries.

The country is divided and Parliament; perhaps things need to get even worse before they get better. As things are it cannot work.

Woof!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Let's review. You said...

And now you're repeatedly attempting to say that has nothing at all to do with homosexuality....nothing at all.

Nope, has nothing at all to do with homosexuality.

You're the only one who brought that into the mix.

Perhaps you can share with the class exactly why you felt it necessary to use that particular phrase?

Because getting bent over and fucked in the ass is generally a highly unpleasant experience.

The expression is used to denote a similarly unpleasant experience.

Has nothing to do with homosexuality.

 

[bellisarius]

Well BD, it's somewhat refreshing to know that you're as fucked up as we are - somewhat. I suppose that that falls into the category of misery loves company.

It seems to be the nature of political parties to at some point in time to begin to exist solely for their own power and perks. Totally forgetting the people that elected them.

Trump was a game changer for us. He's not a politician and it certainly shows. The repubilcan's are as flummoxed by him as the democrats. For better or worse at least we do have regularly scheduled elections.

When did the 2/3rds rule get enacted over there and which party was in power when it did so? Obviously I haven't kept up with the nuances of your election system.

 

[Conager]

Nope, has nothing at all to do with homosexuality.

You're the only one who brought that into the mix.



Because getting bent over and fucked in the ass is generally a highly unpleasant experience.

The expression is used to denote a similarly unpleasant experience.

Has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Seems rather illuminating that Rob, who has never progressed beyond the anal stage of development associates anal sexual activity exclusively with "Teh Ghey Sex" practiced by "Teh Goddamn Queers" that are ways "baiting" stalwart 'straight' "Alpha as FUCK!" 'men' such as himself into such activity.

Methinks the latent doth protest to much.

 

[BigTopBedlam]

You're right, much like in the US it's coming down to nationalists vs. globalist.

Exactly, it's a battle between the nowheres and the somewheres, the high-flying 'liberal' urban globalist elite verses everyone else. They've been selling off our country and our culture one piece at a time because it's no longer theirs and therefore they have no qualms about throwing it into the furnace of globalism for political capital.

They don't live and work in local communities like the rest of us, they jet around europe calling a series of empty penthouses 'home'. Meanwhile the rest of us have to suffer the very real ramifications of their utopianist fantasies that everyone should be like them. Misery loves company.

Well we're throwing a wrench into the EU fascists carefully laid plans and if they think we're going away they have another thing coming. Come what may we will have our country back, at the end of a ballot paper or the end of a gun.

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'

https://i.imgur.com/MFGWGGE.jpg

 

[BotanyBoy]

That’s because you’re looking at this through a simplistic lens and assuming this is a motivator for them, when it’s not.

Well the MSM is all I've got.

And the picture they paint is that Johnson is basically Trump, a nationalist and a big time Brexit fan...making him literally Hitler and all the brexit supporters Nazi scum.

And well educated, rational, progressive people who look to the future with hope and reason all want the UK to remain an EU colony.

The “left” or the Corbynesque left wants power, by any means, to enable their socialist program and the destruction of Capitalist Britain. Corbyn has been a Briexiter all his political life and his stance has been consistently dishonest from day one. He’s hoping this political chaos gives him the chance to grab power as the conservatives destroy themselves and will do anything to fan the flames, even when it’s not in the national interest. Yeah it’s that fucked up.

Well good for the UK.

Either way I hope you lot regain your sovereignty, it would be a shame to see you and your culture wiped out by the EU.

 

[Hal9000_]

Exactly, it's a battle between the nowheres and the somewheres, the high-flying 'liberal' urban globalist elite verses everyone else. They've been selling off our country and our culture one piece at a time because it's no longer theirs...

Eurasia vs Eastasia?

 

[BigTopBedlam]

Eurasia vs Eastasia?

If you want a vision of the future imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If you want a vision of the future imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.

Careful now, don't get the comrades too excited now.

 

[Conager]

That’s because you’re looking at this through a simplistic lens and assuming this is a motivator for them, when it’s not.

The “left” or the Corbynesque left wants power, by any means, to enable their socialist program and the destruction of Capitalist Britain. Corbyn has been a Briexiter all his political life and his stance has been consistently dishonest from day one. He’s hoping this political chaos gives him the chance to grab power as the conservatives destroy themselves and will do anything to fan the flames, even when it’s not in the national interest. Yeah it’s that fucked up.

As far as anyone can tell, in this chaos, he will fail miserably in an election going by current polls.



Who fucking knows? And the Queen has no real political power anyway, Parliament is sovereign.

We need an election; but now Parliament is refusing to give one due to the fixed term act requiring 2/3 of Parliament assenting, adding to the chaos.

The only way this can even begin to be resolved is for the people to return a government with enough power to carry out it’s mandate. At the moment we have a minority government trying to carry through the most complex and controversial policy in decades if not centuries.

The country is divided and Parliament; perhaps things need to get even worse before they get better. As things are it cannot work.

Woof!

You are up against the ratchet effect of government control. It only goes one way. Once power is acceded, government is loathe to give it back. The benefits that were offered to get the citizens to cede to the EU are still desired, and unavailable without the yoke.

The whole thing about trading freedom for security.

That's why in administering the Affordable Care Act the previous administration illegally put off the pain of the act in order to get the citizens used to the benefits. Once the benefits were obtained no one wants to uproot the deeply unpopular bill, since it means giving up the exorbitantly costly benefits. Now you can't even find Republicans willing to talk about rooting it out.

We tried the same thing as you did a voluntary compact amongst sovereign states for mutual protection and the benefits of free trade. Some of the still ostensibly so sovereign states commenced to taking advantage of other of the sovereign states so the parties to the compact in accordance with the agreement decided to brexit. Lincoln then initiated the war of Northern aggression in order to illegally keep the voluntary compact together by Force of Arms.

It's never a good idea to give up power to governments ever.

Our experiment was supposed to be that those closest to the population would be making decisions about that particular citizenry and as decisions become more and more removed from local control they become more and more subject to abuse and become less suitable.

This is why globalism is a horrible idea. This is also why fiat currency which was designed specifically to prevent future Wars by making all Nation so dependent upon each other's currency exchanges that you don't dare eliminate any.

I imagine you'll dither about with half measures for a generation or so and then eventually your schools will teach the divine right of their globalist masters, because only nazi's are concerned about ones own sovereign identity and enlightened self-interest.

 

[Hal9000_]

If you want a vision of the future imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.

Problem with the EU is lack of a common enemy or common goal.

The only reason the 13 colonies united was to fight the King and his taxes.

Even after all that The USA was deeply fractured and had to suffer a civil war to stay together. Today there are still major divisions between urban and rural, North and South, etc.

Can Europe ever really be united with such fresh wounds still healing between each Nation-State?

 

[Liar]

Oh so it's the left who wants to Brexit?? The left is all about giving the EU the finger???

I had no idea it's was the left putting national sovereignty over international conformity. Everything I've heard here says the exact opposite and it's the alt-Right Nazi scum Boaris Trumpster Johnson types who were on about leaving the EU.

Quick EU primer:

With some exceptions, here's where Euopean political movements generally stand on the EU.

Hard left Labour and other straight-up socialists (see Corbyn): Mostly EU skeptic. Sometimes even EU hostile.

More centrist Labour and soc dems (see Blair): EU neutral to EU friendly.

Old school Conservatives, Christian Conservatives and other right-of-centre folks (see Cameron, May. Also Merkel.): Generally EU friendly.

Libertarians, what you'd call "classical Liberals": EU enthusiasts. Yes, really.

Greens: Widely different depending on country. They're a weird bunch.

Hard right, reactionary Conservatives and anti-immigrant populists: EU hostile.



Edited to add: This doesn't nessecarily correlate to where UK politicians are jockeying themselves on Brexit. That's more about power and opportunism than ideological stance on the EU as a project.