The State of American Education.

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More and more the state of American education is coming to the attention of the public. From Primary to Secondary, to the University system they have all been taken over by propagandists. DEI is prevalent at all levels of our system.

On the primary and secondary level they’ve been flying under the radar for almost two decades now. The concept is a pervasive cancer eating away at the future of the nation and reason in general.

DeSantis has stepped up and is addressing the issue in Florida by taking the Teachers Union off at the knees and its well past the time someone should do so. Because of the power of the various Teacher’s Unions the politicians of the states have abdicated their responsibilities to the public in order to secure the teachers votes. In effect the teachers unions were allowed to run the various states education system as they willed. And that abdication on the politicians part is a serious problem because in the end they, and only they, are responsible for the state of education.

DEI is having the same effect on higher education, but the decision on the part of the administrators is already beginning to have dire consequences. This is especially true with regard to the Ivy League schools. By severely relaxing their entrance requirements and establishing quotas based on some superficial applicant feature they’ve forced the professors to make a choice. Dumb down the curricula or hold to standards or face being referred to as racist/misogynist/discriminatory. Those professors that stand their ground are being forced out of the system. This is all done in the efforts to be seen to be worshipping at the altar of DEI while the underlying motive is money.

The full term (4 years) tuition at an Ivy League school is upwards of $300K depending on major. The more bodies they can move through the system the better off the school will be financially and, oh by the way, the tenured professors as well. As with all things in life decisions always come with unintended consequences. Once, if you graduated from a premiere university with an above average GPA, you were set for life. The top companies didn’t even bother to interview you. That is no longer true. Now that those same schools are graduating a sub-standard product extensive interviews are now the norm. As a matter of fact some companies have resorted to testing, both in subject knowledge and native IQ as well. What these universities haven’t seemed to figure out is that they are diminishing their own brand. A crude analogy would be for GM to sell you a Yugo branded as a Cadillac. Eventually this is going to catch up to them and the more intelligent will figure out that paying $300K for a Yugo makes no sense.

This whole philosophy is trickling down to the lesser schools, after all who doesn’t want to be like Harvard? The good news is that this is going to open up an opportunity for schools that refuse to lower their standards for the sake of appearances. By my estimation this whole transformation is going to take from 10 to 20 years unless the major universities wake up and change their ways.
 
Every now and then I forget, the right thinks teachers' unions have evil superhero powers. At this point, probably none of them even remember why they became bogeymen in the first place (I admit I don't know). As for the Ivy League churning out substandard graduates, you might want to google our 43rd president.
 
Teachers' unions are being used as scapegoats. Education decline is deeper and older. It started when small schools were consolidated for efficiency. The result is huge prison schools. Republicans love private schools, which may exclude unions but still copy everything else that's miserable and counterproductive for learning. They could do one step of improvement by the principals having the freedom to work with teachers and parents, without interference from a corporation or church.

Higher education is also simple. We can't afford to keep all of it. Most colleges will shut down. The survivors might survive by providing real and useful education. Or whatever students want for their time and parents' money.
 
You can always depend on right wingers to be reactionary anti-science/anti-education advocates. Promoting ignorance and anti-intellectualism as a traditional American value. Fucking morons.


How Florida Gov. DeSantis is trying to destroy public education


He has, among other things: limited what teachers can say in classrooms about race, gender and other topics and appointed anti-public education figures to his administration, including a QAnon supporter, and, as education commissioner, an employee of a charter school management organization. He has also legally empowered parents to sue school districts as part of his “parental rights” initiative and micromanaged and limited the power of local school districts.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/04/27/desantis-escalates-war-on-public-education/

Gov. DeSantis loses again in lawsuit over his schools mask-mandate policy


Leon County Circuit Judge John Cooper had ruled last month that the governor abused his authority in ordering the state Department of Health and Department of Education to punish districts that limited parental discretion over mask wearing.


https://floridaphoenix.com/2021/09/...lawsuit-over-his-schools-mask-mandate-policy/



DeSantis loses another First Amendment fight, this one over ‘Stop Woke Act’


In a 44-page opinion, U.S. District Judge Mark Walker in Tallahassee ruled that the law — formally, the Individual Freedom Act, or IFA — amounts to an attempt by the state of Florida to impose its preferred positions about the existence of systemic racism and sexism on the workplace and public schools.


https://floridaphoenix.com/2022/08/...-amendment-fight-this-one-over-stop-woke-act/
 
More and more the state of American education is coming to the attention of the public. From Primary to Secondary, to the University system they have all been taken over by propagandists. DEI is prevalent at all levels of our system.

On the primary and secondary level they’ve been flying under the radar for almost two decades now. The concept is a pervasive cancer eating away at the future of the nation and reason in general.

DeSantis has stepped up and is addressing the issue in Florida by taking the Teachers Union off at the knees and its well past the time someone should do so. Because of the power of the various Teacher’s Unions the politicians of the states have abdicated their responsibilities to the public in order to secure the teachers votes. In effect the teachers unions were allowed to run the various states education system as they willed. And that abdication on the politicians part is a serious problem because in the end they, and only they, are responsible for the state of education.

DEI is having the same effect on higher education, but the decision on the part of the administrators is already beginning to have dire consequences. This is especially true with regard to the Ivy League schools. By severely relaxing their entrance requirements and establishing quotas based on some superficial applicant feature they’ve forced the professors to make a choice. Dumb down the curricula or hold to standards or face being referred to as racist/misogynist/discriminatory. Those professors that stand their ground are being forced out of the system. This is all done in the efforts to be seen to be worshipping at the altar of DEI while the underlying motive is money.

The full term (4 years) tuition at an Ivy League school is upwards of $300K depending on major. The more bodies they can move through the system the better off the school will be financially and, oh by the way, the tenured professors as well. As with all things in life decisions always come with unintended consequences. Once, if you graduated from a premiere university with an above average GPA, you were set for life. The top companies didn’t even bother to interview you. That is no longer true. Now that those same schools are graduating a sub-standard product extensive interviews are now the norm. As a matter of fact some companies have resorted to testing, both in subject knowledge and native IQ as well. What these universities haven’t seemed to figure out is that they are diminishing their own brand. A crude analogy would be for GM to sell you a Yugo branded as a Cadillac. Eventually this is going to catch up to them and the more intelligent will figure out that paying $300K for a Yugo makes no sense.

This whole philosophy is trickling down to the lesser schools, after all who doesn’t want to be like Harvard? The good news is that this is going to open up an opportunity for schools that refuse to lower their standards for the sake of appearances. By my estimation this whole transformation is going to take from 10 to 20 years unless the major universities wake up and change their ways.
I read somewhere that some companies that once required a Bach degree are no longer keeping with that standard, prefer to train on the job. It’s pretty bad when our kids are coming out dumber than when they went in.
 
I read somewhere that some companies that once required a Bach degree are no longer keeping with that standard, prefer to train on the job. It’s pretty bad when our kids are coming out dumber than when they went in.
True enough. The free market is deciding against the educational mantra being force fed by the media.
 
the Chinese do not have teacher unions
why do our public sector unions make the Chinese so exceptional
 
I do not think the Chinese even have a department of education
why does ours make the chinese so exceptional
 
The Chinese are NOT exceptional and that is part of the problem. In their system the state is in control of everything, a monolithic system and that is exactly what many in our nation want to emulate. The exact opposite of the "diversity" they proclaim they stand for.
 
I read somewhere that some companies that once required a Bach degree are no longer keeping with that standard, prefer to train on the job. It’s pretty bad when our kids are coming out dumber than when they went in.
I don't know (or care) where you read that, but everywhere I've worked since I don't know when required a BA for anything above the cleaning staff.
 
I don't know (or care) where you read that, but everywhere I've worked since I don't know when required a BA for anything above the cleaning staff.
So you are the cleaning staffs supervisor? You suffer from myopia, see an ophthalmologist.
 
More and more the state of American education is coming to the attention of the public. From Primary to Secondary, to the University system they have all been taken over by propagandists.
Dude, To be honest, I stopped reading right after this sentence.

I honestly didn't need to go any further.

You people think that just because public schools teach about Black history, slavery, or that (God Forbid) Racism is wrong, that they are somehow teaching kids to overthrow Capitalism and install some kind of Mao-Tse Tung agrarian worker's paradise. Or some such bullshit. It is ridiculous, utter paranoid stupidity, and really not worth any kind of serious discussion.

Because when you people talk about "Propaganda" what you really want is schools to teach YOUR values. Which, often as not, are either pretty questionable or worse, incompatible with a modern, free and civilized society. (e.g. gays/trans people should be locked away in asylums, science is "Wrong" because it contradicts the Bible, racism is a good thing, minorities deserve to be oppressed, etc.)
 
More and more the state of American education is coming to the attention of the public. From Primary to Secondary, to the University system they have all been taken over by propagandists. DEI is prevalent at all levels of our system.

On the primary and secondary level they’ve been flying under the radar for almost two decades now. The concept is a pervasive cancer eating away at the future of the nation and reason in general.

DeSantis has stepped up and is addressing the issue in Florida by taking the Teachers Union off at the knees and its well past the time someone should do so. Because of the power of the various Teacher’s Unions the politicians of the states have abdicated their responsibilities to the public in order to secure the teachers votes. In effect the teachers unions were allowed to run the various states education system as they willed. And that abdication on the politicians part is a serious problem because in the end they, and only they, are responsible for the state of education.

DEI is having the same effect on higher education, but the decision on the part of the administrators is already beginning to have dire consequences. This is especially true with regard to the Ivy League schools. By severely relaxing their entrance requirements and establishing quotas based on some superficial applicant feature they’ve forced the professors to make a choice. Dumb down the curricula or hold to standards or face being referred to as racist/misogynist/discriminatory. Those professors that stand their ground are being forced out of the system. This is all done in the efforts to be seen to be worshipping at the altar of DEI while the underlying motive is money.

The full term (4 years) tuition at an Ivy League school is upwards of $300K depending on major. The more bodies they can move through the system the better off the school will be financially and, oh by the way, the tenured professors as well. As with all things in life decisions always come with unintended consequences. Once, if you graduated from a premiere university with an above average GPA, you were set for life. The top companies didn’t even bother to interview you. That is no longer true. Now that those same schools are graduating a sub-standard product extensive interviews are now the norm. As a matter of fact some companies have resorted to testing, both in subject knowledge and native IQ as well. What these universities haven’t seemed to figure out is that they are diminishing their own brand. A crude analogy would be for GM to sell you a Yugo branded as a Cadillac. Eventually this is going to catch up to them and the more intelligent will figure out that paying $300K for a Yugo makes no sense.

This whole philosophy is trickling down to the lesser schools, after all who doesn’t want to be like Harvard? The good news is that this is going to open up an opportunity for schools that refuse to lower their standards for the sake of appearances. By my estimation this whole transformation is going to take from 10 to 20 years unless the major universities wake up and change their ways.
you are impressive…………. ly stupid.
 
As in most cases of rants on this board, there are nuggets of truth in 'both sides'. Bottom line, for whatever reasons you care to post, American schools suck. I'd be curious to see how many US high school seniors could survive a year of school in Asia or India. Read up on how extensive their testing is. Many US kids graduate and can barely spell or add and subtract.

The US school system is a machine, enroll 'em, pass them through the machine, spit 'em out and collect $200 or more at each step.

'Course, that's IF they survive without being shot or abused by staff in one way or another.

Why do you think so many from those countries are brought in under Visas to work in high tech jobs? American 'graduates' are too stupid or lazy to do it. Can an American kid use a micrometer or protractor or set up a precision milling machine? Probably not. But they sure can make videos about their trucks, cars or clothes Mommy and Daddy bought for them.
 
The Supreme Court needs to rule against affirmative action in university admissions and hiring decisions.

Unfortunately, university administrators will always find ways to elude bans on affirmative action. They will admit members of politically favored minorities who do not belong on the campus.

Those students will drop out, flunk out, or get worthless degrees in ethnic studies. The university will deposit their tuition money in the bank, brag about having a student body that "looks like America," and continue the scam.

A ban on affirmative action in hiring decisions will be effective. Few bosses like being pressured to hire subordinates who cannot do the job, do not try, and do not care.
 
I read somewhere that some companies that once required a Bach degree are no longer keeping with that standard, prefer to train on the job. It’s pretty bad when our kids are coming out dumber than when they went in.
Employers should be allowed to test applicants for intelligence and for specialized knowledge they will need to have to perform adequately. Employers should be allowed to act on the assumption that diversity, equity, and inclusion are enemies of merit, qualifications, and excellence. There should be no affirmative action.
 
Dude, To be honest, I stopped reading right after this sentence.

I honestly didn't need to go any further.

You people think that just because public schools teach about Black history, slavery, or that (God Forbid) Racism is wrong, that they are somehow teaching kids to overthrow Capitalism and install some kind of Mao-Tse Tung agrarian worker's paradise. Or some such bullshit. It is ridiculous, utter paranoid stupidity, and really not worth any kind of serious discussion.
If schools are allowed to teach about slavery and racial discrimination, they should also be allowed to teach about the ways the races differ in average intelligence and rates of crime and illegitimacy.

A well rounded education on race would include Professor J. Philippe's essay, "Race, Evolution, and Behavior.

http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm
 
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The Supreme Court needs to rule against affirmative action in university admissions and hiring decisions.

Unfortunately, university administrators will always find ways to elude bans on affirmative action. They will admit members of politically favored minorities who do not belong on the campus.

Those students will drop out, flunk out, or get worthless degrees in ethnic studies. The university will deposit their tuition money in the bank, brag about having a student body that "looks like America," and continue the scam.

A ban on affirmative action in hiring decisions will be effective. Few bosses like being pressured to hire subordinates who cannot do the job, do not try, and do not care.
The problem with our so-called elite universities is that there’s an administrator for each student, cost! cost!!! WASTE! College is overrated, overpriced and underperforming.
 
If schools are allowed to teach about slavery and racial discrimination, they should also be allowed to teach about the ways the races differ in average intelligence and rates of crime and illegitimacy.

A well rounded education on race would include Professor J. Philippe's essay, "Race, Evolution, and Behavior.

http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm
We should ban the 1619 project being taught K-12 IMHO Substitute calculus, organic chemistry, advanced economics, personal finance, stock market and enhanced English writing skills for 1619, would better serve our students. Once in college have at it.
 
We should ban the 1619 project being taught K-12 IMHO Substitute calculus, organic chemistry, advanced economics, personal finance, stock market and enhanced English writing skills for 1619, would better serve our students. Once in college have at it.
Subjects that reinforce "white supremacy?" You must be a racist. ;)
 
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