The situation with writingwhatilike

[Spoiled316]

I'll never forgive Literotica if they push my favorite writer into retirement with their bullshit.

 

[nice90sguy]

Reading his stories, stylistically I can see why they'd raise a false positive. And it's quite understandable that he's pissed off and doesn't want to change his writing style.

 

[Spoiled316]

Understandable but no less sucky... He is my favorite writer.

 

[AchtungNight]

I don’t like the vetting process here either. I wish your favorite author luck.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

At least this topic is a live horse we can beat, I guess.

 

[onehitwanda]

At least this topic is a live horse we can beat, I guess.

it may look alive, but I promise it isn't.

 

[AG31]

What if the admin(s) were to create a forum entitled something like "Potentially authored by AI?"

 

[AG31]

Reading his stories, stylistically I can see why they'd raise a false positive. And it's quite understandable that he's pissed off and doesn't want to change his writing style.

Intereseting. I read a couple and I can see what you're talking about. It's not an answer to ask of the style is in keeping with their pre-AI-available works, because that will never be true again.

 

[mypenname3000]

Contact him and tell him there's other free story sites out there that have less hoops to jump through.

 

[CJLahrainn]

So I took a look at his story page and saw that his ratings are very good, and now I'm confused. The stories on this site don't make the owners any money, right? It's the cams and store and whatever else they have going on that make money, the stories are just here to drive traffic. So why would the owners care about AI if the stories are popular and help drive traffic to the site? I just don't understand. (Personally, I don't think he was using AI to generate content.)

Any insight into this? The issue of rejecting stories has been mentioned outside of this site and that might prevent people from submitting here.

 

[KeithD]

Contact him and tell him there's other free story sites out there that have less hoops to jump through.

fewer hoops. (countable objects)

 

[mypenname3000]

Yeah, but less hoops sounds better and since languages evolve by how people like things to sound, today's grammar violation is tomorrows accepted practice. Since this isn't formal writing, but an informal forum why not write like i speak.

 

[XerXesXu]

So I took a look at his story page and saw that his ratings are very good, and now I'm confused. The stories on this site don't make the owners any money, right? It's the cams and store and whatever else they have going on that make money, the stories are just here to drive traffic. So why would the owners care about AI if the stories are popular and help drive traffic to the site? I just don't understand. (Personally, I don't think he was using AI to generate content.)

Any insight into this? The issue of rejecting stories has been mentioned outside of this site and that might prevent people from submitting here.

Like everyone else Laurel and Manu will have strong feelings as well as commercial and intellectual views of AI. These are the hot topics on social media today, attracting views and monetisation. I imagine they're concerned about the issues raised in, particularly, The New York Times V Open.AI summarised here: FT

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

So I took a look at his story page and saw that his ratings are very good, and now I'm confused. The stories on this site don't make the owners any money, right? It's the cams and store and whatever else they have going on that make money, the stories are just here to drive traffic. So why would the owners care about AI if the stories are popular and help drive traffic to the site? I just don't understand. (Personally, I don't think he was using AI to generate content.)

Any insight into this? The issue of rejecting stories has been mentioned outside of this site and that might prevent people from submitting here.

The leading theory is that Lit suffers from the very same problem as Amazon: Bots submitting dozens, if not hundreds, of AI generated nonsense stories each day, making it impossible for the site owners to manually examine them. So, every submission is being screened by automated AI detectors first.

What we are seeing right now is the floor damage.

 

[Britva415]

Yeah, but less hoops sounds better and since languages evolve by how people like things to sound, today's grammar violation is tomorrows accepted practice. Since this isn't formal writing, but an informal forum why not write like i speak.

Reminds me of that joke, "Where are you from?"

"From where I come, we don't end a sentence with a preposition."

"Okay, have it your way. Where are you from, asshole?"

 

[mypenname3000]

The leading theory is that Lit suffers from the very same problem as Amazon: Bots submitting dozens, if not hundreds, of AI generated nonsense stories each day, making it impossible for the site owners to manually examine them. So, every submission is being screened by automated AI detectors first.

What we are seeing right now is the floor damage.

I get why people would flood amazon to make money, but how does an author make money posting on Literotica? So what is the incentive for someone to do that? Is there something I'm missing? Not saying its not happening. Before I started posting on liteoritca, every few years someone would tell me my stuff was getting posted here as someone else's story. Just seems weird place for using mass bots.

 

[mypenname3000]

Reminds me of that joke, "Where are you from?"

"From where I come, we don't end a sentence with a preposition."

"Okay, have it your way. Where are you from, asshole?"

I mean, that rule came out of people wanting to make English sound more like Latin in the 1800s.

 

[Britva415]

The leading theory is that Lit suffers from the very same problem as Amazon: Bots submitting dozens, if not hundreds, of AI generated nonsense stories each day, making it impossible for the site owners to manually examine them. So, every submission is being screened by automated AI detectors first.

I'm skeptical and haven't seen this theory spelled out before this. I'm sure there's no evidence behind it, since no one has any idea what Laurel's and Manu's thoughts are and as far as I know there's no way for anyone else to know what's being submitted and rejected.

My skepticism isn't about lack of evidence, though. My skepticism is because I can see what motivates bots to submit bogus content to Amazon. There's money in it.

What would motivate human beings to automate fake authors to submit fake stories to Lit?

 

[mypenname3000]

I'm skeptical and haven't seen this theory spelled out before this. I'm sure there's no evidence behind it, since no one has any idea what Laurel's and Manu's thoughts are and as far as I know there's no way for anyone else to know what's being submitted and rejected.

My skepticism isn't about lack of evidence, though. My skepticism is because I can see what motivates bots to submit bogus content to Amazon. There's money in it.

What would motivate fake authors to submit fake stories to Lit?

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me. But people do weird things.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

I'm skeptical and haven't seen this theory spelled out before this. I'm sure there's no evidence behind it, since no one has any idea what Laurel's and Manu's thoughts are and as far as I know there's no way for anyone else to know what's being submitted and rejected.

My skepticism isn't about lack of evidence, though. My skepticism is because I can see what motivates bots to submit bogus content to Amazon. There's money in it.

What would motivate human beings to automate fake authors to submit fake stories to Lit?

You CAN, however, place a "Support the Author" link at the end of each story, sending your readers to your Patreon or Amazon accounts.

As long as the generated stories are usable wanking material that fits into a specific and/or sought-after niche, you're golden. There have always been senseless, on-page masturbation fantasies posted on Lit that I would have usually expected to find in a Reddit post. Many of these don't even bother giving the characters names! They don't need to have a story. They don't need to make sense. All the AI needs to create is a single arousing scene.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm skeptical and haven't seen this theory spelled out before this. I'm sure there's no evidence behind it, since no one has any idea what Laurel's and Manu's thoughts are and as far as I know there's no way for anyone else to know what's being submitted and rejected.

My skepticism isn't about lack of evidence, though. My skepticism is because I can see what motivates bots to submit bogus content to Amazon. There's money in it.

What would motivate human beings to automate fake authors to submit fake stories to Lit?

I can only guess at why, but people have been doing similar stuff since shortly after WWW was invented. Not AI-generated stories, obviously, but ripping off other people's prose and artwork and claiming them as their own. No money angle to it AFAIK. Apparently for some people, having others believe they made it is reward in itself.

People will watch their football team win a game on TV and celebrate like they'd kicked that goal themselves; people will brag about military victories from hundreds of years ago as if they'd done the fighting themselves. Same kind of thing maybe?

 

[StillStunned]

I can only guess at why, but people have been doing similar stuff since shortly after WWW was invented. Not AI-generated stories, obviously, but ripping off other people's prose and artwork and claiming them as their own. No money angle to it AFAIK. Apparently for some people, having others believe they made it is reward in itself.

People will watch their football team win a game on TV and celebrate like they'd kicked that goal themselves; people will brag about military victories from hundreds of years ago as if they'd done the fighting themselves. Same kind of thing maybe?

True. I remember times when people were scanning Far Side cartoons, deleting the signature and saying, "Hey guys, look how funny I am!"

 

[KeithD]

Yeah, but less hoops sounds better

Not to me, it doesn't. It's one of those constructs, like "me and clyde went hunting," that shows a shortfall in one's English-language training. And this is a writer's board.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm skeptical and haven't seen this theory spelled out before this. I'm sure there's no evidence behind it, since no one has any idea what Laurel's and Manu's thoughts are and as far as I know there's no way for anyone else to know what's being submitted and rejected.

I had suggested this theory previously, but in later PM discussion with Laurel she indicated that they weren't quite that badly swamped yet. That was a few months ago, no idea whether it's changed since.

 

[Comshaw]

Not to me, it doesn't. It's one of those constructs, like "me and clyde went hunting," that shows a shortfall in one's English-language training. And this is a writer's board.

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Yeah, but less hoops sounds better and since languages evolve by how people like things to sound, today's grammar violation is tomorrows accepted practice. Since this isn't formal writing, but an informal forum why not write like i speak.

This definitely is a writer's board, but using popularly accepted language isn't a shortfall in English-language training if it is done intentionally.

That which is indulged here, creative writing, is art and art has always pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable. Because of that language changes, will change over time. We don't write or speak the same English that was used 200 years ago. And I bet if we could hear or read it 200 years from now it wouldn't be the same.

When it comes to writing, I was taught to understand the rules, then break them if it enhances what I'm writing or it works for me.

Additionally, some of us just don't follow the crowd. And to my mind that ain't such a bad thing.



Comshaw