The Second Amendment, Gun Control, and School Shootings.

[WoundedKnee]

Linnaeus would be appalled at such a subjective ordering...



"just sayin'"

 

[psiberzerker]

Linnaeus would be appalled at such a subjective ordering...

IK, Right?



In my first draft, I intentionally left order out of Order, then fixed it, because I don't want to confuse him. Force of habit, but now I have to be as clear as possible.

 

[psiberzerker]

Now, for clarity, let me make a critical distinction, because it's critical:

Symptom<Disorder.

This is confusing, because there's so many terms that overlap, with popular Slang that often has little in common with the actual meaning. Not the dictionary definition, but the entire meaning when you're talking about a Complex.

Depression is a symptom, a non-specific symptom. It could be a chemical imbalance, a personality disorder, or a side effect of living in a country music song, like "You never Called me." (Steve Goodman.) There's a pill for that, but if it's not a chemical imbalance, Paxil is not going to get your mom back, your truck back, or your dog back. You'll just sit there grinning in the middle of a country music song. Denial doesn't change anything.

Narcissism<A Narcissist. So, for example, someone can say "That's narcissistic," and the defense mechanism is immediately "I'm not a narcissist! You are!" Non narcissists engage in narcissistic behavior all the time, it's part of the spectrum of Self Worth. The extreme end is Narcissism, where it interferes with your ability to reason, and reason is not an absolute.

"I'm a reasonable guy," therefore I am always rational. Not only is this faulty logic, it's actually a weakness people can exploit, by leading you into the assumption that you're Still Rational, long past the point where you aren't. The fatal flaw rests in the Assumption. Concluding beforehand, rationally, "I Am Rational..." Then assuming your state of mind remains rational, and the other guy is just being unreasonable.

This isn't about narcissism, that was just an example, and you Are No A Narcissist. You can be baited, into Narcissistic Decomponsation, but it's not your default state, and it takes about 2-3 hours of beating with the Hystrionic stick to get you there.

This is about Injustice Collecting. Which is a Defense mechanism, just like looking for the flaw in my reasoning when I haven't even gotten to the reasoning yet. I'm still on methodology. Won't stop him from claiming that he already found it, but Injustice Collecting<An Injustice Collector.

The symptom, the behavior could be any number of Persecution Complexes, but first i had to narrow it down...

 

[psiberzerker]

http://youtu.be/vAOVRkSCWmg

"I'll hang around as long as you will let me. I never minded standing in the rain. And you don't have to call me darlin', darlin'..."

 

[psiberzerker]

Diagnostic Criteria of an Injustice Collector

Engages in Injustice Collecting as a defense mechanism: Duh.

Capable of Violence: I'm just going to have to take your word for gunning down starving Somalians without remorse, but I can rule out PTSD (The normal response to gunning down starving Somalians) You're far FAR too difficult to trigger for that.

Black and White Morality: "There's 2 kinds of people, Us, and Them." Again, this is not racism, just good OR evil, with nothing in between.

Check, moving on...

Ill defined group, or groups responsible for this persecution: Not defined as in the dictionary definition, but again the faceless "Them." No names, no faces, except for a couple figureheads you can point to as representative for ALL of them. Hillary Clinton is a good idea. All "Progressives" are Hillary Clinton. Otherwise, they're just nebulous, but absolute "Socialists." Socialism without any shred of capitalism, thos commie bastards are the enemy of capitalism, they must be stopped.

Just like the straw Commie from McCarthyism. Dead set against Capitalist Decadence for Mother Russia. Okay, yeah, but consider the source. This is Boris and Natasha Communism. A cartoon caricature of Socialism: The symbolic evil that's literally equated with injustice.

SOCIALISM = INJUSTICE. Yes, you actually said that. This is the kind of thing that narrows it down from the run of the mill Anti-socialist I took you for last weak, but it is an iterative process of trial and eror. However, you only learn from the process by trial, AND admitting when you err.

Observe, Orient, Decide, ASK. I acted through questions, because that's the best way for you to examine our assumptions. Answer: Observe, Orient, Decide...

 

[BotanyBoy]

That was easy, you started out telling me what I thought of you.

No I didn't.

I just stated you were wrong in your assumptions about me.

The problem is the Id, the subconscious, which was further distracted by the repetition of "Megalomaniac." Donny is a Megalomaniac, that's why you respect him. He's closer to your self image,

Except I don't respect him....so your assumptions are wrong....again.

The trial is basically attacking your identity. Ignoring your reflexive defense mechanism, like calling me a statist

I only called you a statist when you expressed support for state authority.

So not really a reflexive defense mechanism.

That's why I asked questions, so you could repeat rote-responses without thinking about them. Typically cut, and paste definitions from your Security Blanket. The Dictionary,

You didn't ask questions that caused me to repeat rote-responses from my security blanket, you misused words.

And I repeated rote-responses showing you how you were wrong.

The symptom, the behavior could be any number of Persecution Complexes, but first i had to narrow it down...

And?? are you getting to that?

EDIT: FINALLY!!! Going to read.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Diagnostic Criteria of an Injustice Collector

Engages in Injustice Collecting as a defense mechanism: Duh.

Again.....

What injustice collecting have I engaged in???

Black and White Morality: "There's 2 kinds of people, Us, and Them." Again, this is not racism, just good OR evil, with nothing in between.

Check, moving on...

SOCIALISM = INJUSTICE. Yes, you actually said that.

Because it's true.

I acted through questions

And name calling, histrionics, wild ascription and assumptions.

 

[psiberzerker]

What injustice collecting have I engaged in?

SOCIALISM = INJUSTICE!i!

Again, capslock doesn't make it true, and that kind of equivalency, ulterior, absolute, diametric, zero tolerance is Injustice Collecting.

However, it's subcosncious, which segues in nicely to my next point. The ID. I had to get that out of you, you didn't give it up willingly, but that's what finally showed me the evidence I dismissed initially as something else.

Symbolic Repetition. The Id (Just shorthand for Subconcious) is all symbolic thought, so the symbols that are repeated, consistently, inerrantly, when you become irrational are how a therapist identifies them in this technique.

Liberty, Liberal, Libertine, Libration, Library, Liberace, Libertarianismist...

Social, Society, Social Work, Social Studies, Socialism, Social Justice Sociopath...

Pattern Recognition. I needed enough dots to connect them. The rigid unerring consistency, and the triggered state of mind is what is necessary to tell the symbols apart from the false point, then I need enough points to construct a picture. That's why out conversations follow the same pattern. (I have the outling right here in my notes, want me to transcribe it?)

And name calling, histrionics, wild ascription and assumptions.

Yes, sort of, no, and not really.

Ad Hominem: I know when to use that, when you accuse me first. "I'm not Racist!" when nobody called you racist tells me to imply something different, then ask you "How is this not X" Not Racism, that's the trigger, and I tend to avoid that card in public forums, so I usually turned it around to Male Privilege. (Another really really reliable trigger. Man that word works good on you. I stumbled apon it talking to another person when you #NotAllMenned in, but that sends you ballistic!)

"Histronics" I'm not sure what you mean by this. I'm going to have to guess (That's another Personality Disorder, but I'm Schizotypal.) Emotional Argument? Define that for me, but I'm going to say yes to Emotional Argument. You're not triggered by it, but it helps draw you into the state of mind to be triggered, because you defensively try to be More Rational, and eventually fail. Eventually, but it takes a while to wear you down that way.

Assumption: "You actually believe..." Ask don't Assume. ASK. Questions. Don't assume what I know/think/believe/understand, that was our first argument, and you still haven't fucking learned that. You assume you're right by default. You assume you're ALWAYS right, and every conversation with you is an exercise in looking in looking for that fatal flaw that prove your assumption that I am wrong. Always wrong, by default, even when I'm agreeing with you. In fact, that presumption is the primary way I lure you out of conversations with other people to eliminate distractions.

Also, subconsciously accusing someone of something, or alleging they accuse you of it, beforehand is textbook Injustice Collector behavior. I told you that countless times before, too. We don't have to offend you. If we don't, you'll accuse someone of calling you a Nazi, or Racist, so you can stay offended.

Play the Victim. Unfortunately, that's another non-specific symptom.

 

[toeskr]

Sadly for him, BotBoy only has eyes for me ...

Damnit, you sent him nude selfies but none for me?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Again, capslock doesn't make it true

Didn't ever say that it did....again with more of your wild ascriptions.

, and that kind of equivalency, ulterior, absolute, diametric, zero tolerance is Injustice Collecting.

That's not what the internet says.

https://www.google.com/search?q=inj...7j69i60j0l3.4111j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

You seem to be misusing words again.

Yes, sort of, no, and not really.

Yes....you've engaged in all those behaviors consistently and regularly. They comprise the vast majority of your posts.

Again:

What injustice collecting have I engaged in?

Play the Victim. Unfortunately, that's another non-specific symptom.

Except I'm not playing the victim......where did I ever play the victim?

I'm not crying about the 1%, or how women need HC more than everyone else.

 

[psiberzerker]

I only called you a statist when you expressed support for state authority.

Every time you perceived support for government authority, because I asked you why you're against a particular trapping of government authority, triggering the Ad Hominem Defense mechanism. Challenge your Identity. "STATIST!" Challenge your Authority "SOCIALIST!" Challenge your status...

Rigidly. It's not just that you reflexively fall back on ad hominem when asked a question you don't want to consider. A question about your Political identity. The question, or the subject of the question determines which name you call anyone. Not just me.

So not really a reflexive defense mechanism.

Unless i have to ask you 3 times. Not twice, not 4 times, like the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, i had to sneak in Injustice Collector 3 times for you to notice. The second time, you noticed, then looked it up, and then 30 minutes later, you claimed to have learned everything about it, in 30 minutes, years ago. That's why you're not aware of it, it's reflexive.

Going to read.

Are you caught up? The last time i went into detail, you stopped after 4 TL: DRs. I wrote it down, right here. I have extensive notes, 3 weeks of them. So, I'm going to give you a chance to actually read what i have written so far, AND understand it, because you're already in the "Fatal flaw! Checkmate Statist!" stage of denial.

 

[KimGordon67]

Damnit, you sent him nude selfies but none for me?

No! We only do frolicking. No nudity.

 

[psiberzerker]

q=injustice+collecting&oq=injustice+collecting&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j0l3.4111j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8[/url]

That's it? That's your research. Did you actually read any of those, or just the titles, and the stubs under that?

Start here: https://books.google.com/books?id=7...AJ#v=onepage&q=injustic**20collecting&f=false

That's one of the BOOKS about Injustice Collecting, as a behavior, specific to using it to slide up the self image scale toward the narcissistic extreme. I'm going to have to guess in school, when you're bullied, by racists.

And your research consists of what, typing Injustice Collector in Google? Tell you what, why don't you start reading, and get back to me when you get to that part? That's an even lower bar than looking up "Liberty" in the dictionary.

It's not etymology, it's cognitive pathology. You're not even in the right Phylum.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Every time you perceived support for government authority, because I asked you why you're against a particular trapping of government authority, triggering the Ad Hominem Defense mechanism. Challenge your Identity. "STATIST!" Challenge your Authority "SOCIALIST!" Challenge your status...

No I called you a statist because you started name calling because I didn't support the same government authority you did.

It was accurate, not an Ad Hominem.

You haven't challenged anything.....you've just made a bunch of incorrect statements some of which are based upon false assumptions.

Are you caught up? The last time i went into detail, you stopped after 4 TL: DRs. I wrote it down, right here. I have extensive notes, 3 weeks of them.

That's because most of it was entirely random and irrelevant ramblings of a VERY confused/delusional person.

Then get to the point.

Pull the trigger....like today.

So, I'm going to give you a chance to actually read what i have written so far, AND understand it, because you're already in the "Fatal flaw! Checkmate Statist!" stage of denial.

Look at you ascribing me ad homonyms ....

Can't get to the point....

Can't get specific......

Can't produce any evidence....

Just more ascriptions and delusions backed up by quasi-relevant rants.

 

[psiberzerker]

where did I ever play the victim?

Every single time you whined about "VIOLENCE!" because you can't $1.50 per year for tampons. Which you admitted were cheaper than tacos. Not just the victim, a petty one.

When did you pay for an Abortion? My notes say 1973, but not how much you payed. Was it more than $1,500.00 (The average for an Abortion at Planned Parenthood, today.)

 

[BotanyBoy]

Every single time you whined about "VIOLENCE!" because you can't afford tampons, which you admitted were cheaper than tacos. Not just the victim, a petty one.

Not supporting government authority to violently confiscate capital to pay for unnecessary shit is playing the victim??

I just got done buying tampons actually. Like a responsible adult, I pay for my own toiletries and provide them for my family. I don't need to freak out and name call others who don't want to be forced by the state to buy them for me.

 

[psiberzerker]

Not supporting government authority to violently confiscate capital to pay for unnecessary shit is playing the victim?

Okay, then what are you doing about it? If giving your taxes to poor women is "VIOLENCE!" then why aren't you violently opposing it?

If SOCIALISM = INJUSTICE! then why aren't you fighting for justice?

You only have enough money to provide toiletries for your family? Why does your family need toiletries, and nobody else does? Your taxes pay for the water in public toilets. Public toilets and water fountains in parks you're not even aware of.

Is this socialism violence against you? Why is Planned Parenthood oppressing you, when State Colleges are not? I'm not trying to trigger you, I don't have to, you're already here in knee-jerk mode, I can tell, because you're down to your favorite image macros. You might as well start to recognize it.

So, why are the social programs you benefit from not Injustice? Why are the ones you shouldn't even care about so important to you, when they're such a miniscule cintilla of your contribution to society?

 

[bellisarius]

"When a self-governing people confer upon their government the power to take money from some and give it to others, the process will not stop until the last bone of the last taxpayer is picked bare."

(Kershner's First Law)
Howard E. Kershner

We have watched that process in action over and over again. Nations that have embarked on that policy soon end up bankrupt of both capital and ethics. "Needs" are infinite and will always overwhelm resources, which are finite. A lesson the "Progressives" (neo-communists) never seem to learn.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Okay, then what are you doing about it?

Not voting for degenerate lefties....aka "progressives" of any flavor.

If giving your taxes to poor women is "VIOLENCE!" then why aren't you violently opposing it?

Giving my tax dollars to others isn't violence....you desperately need to learn how to read and/or stop making shit up.

If SOCIALISM = INJUSTICE! then why aren't you fighting for justice?

Who says I'm not?

You only have enough money to provide toiletries for your family?

Nope.

Why does your family need toiletries, and nobody else does?

I didn't say they didn't.

So, why are the social programs you benefit from not Injustice?

More wild assumption.

Is this socialism violence against you?

All socialism is violence against someone, that's why it's an injustice.

Why is Planned Parenthood oppressing you, when State Colleges are not?

Where did I say State Colleges are not??

You just can't help but make shit up can you??

I'm not trying to trigger you, I don't have to, you're already here in knee-jerk mode.

You're the one making all sorts of random shit up because I'm not supporting your PRECIOUS government authority......

Why are the ones you shouldn't even care about so important to you, when they're such a miniscule cintilla of your contribution to society?

Look at you...desperate to know why I'm not backing your favored flavor of state authority.

 

[psiberzerker]

Look at you...desperate to know why I'm not backing your favored flavor of state authority.

None? We're back to this, then. You've learned nothing, so it's straight back to calling me statist, because you can't think of anything better?

That's really fucking lame, man. Even for you. That's not even a callback, that's barely a flashback.

Thought you're the rational one, and I was the histrionic one. You look up histrionics yet, or do you still think it means hysterical?

 

[BotanyBoy]

so it's straight back to calling me statist

If you're not then why are you so upset by the idea that I support people spending their money how they see fit instead of letting the state spend it for them???

Thought you're the rational one, and I was the histrionic one.

Are you not being the dramatic one making all sorts of shit to try and demonize someone who doesn't support public funding of PP??

Trying to paint an anti-government authority ideological stance you are opposed to as injustice collecting?

Pretending I'm supportive of all the other social programs out there but not PP......

 

[psiberzerker]

If you're just going to phone it in, don't bother.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If you're just going to phone it in, don't bother.

Ok...that doesn't even make sense so let's go back to the basic core then.

Why are you so upset by the idea that I support people spending their money how they see fit instead of letting the state spend it for them??

 

[psiberzerker]

Ok...that doesn't even make sense so let's go back to the basic core then.

Fine, the second amendment, school shootings, and gun control.

That's the core.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fine, the second amendment, school shootings, and gun control.

That's the core.

Not of the discussion we've been having....nice attempt to dodge the question though.

Again...

Why are you so upset by the idea that I support people spending their money how they see fit instead of letting the state spend it for them??

Or are you too scared to answer?