The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming Pt. 2

[about_average]

Absolutely irrelevant.

She got paid, they want access. He got paid, they want access!!

I never said she changed US energy policy. I said the Saudi's are not giving either of these fuckers mega millions just because it gives them warm fuzzies to do so.

So what you're saying is that your claim she whored out US energy to the Saudi's is based on nothing but your hatred for her.

So why does that make trump better than clinton, when it comes to relationships with Saudi Arabia?
Especially considering that while trump was railing about the Saudi donations to her charity he had hired Manafort, who not only had close ties with Russia, but had also been a lobbyist for years for the Saudi ambassador who had links to the 9-11 terrorists.

At least the Clinton foundation does actual charity work. Trump doesn't do shit for charity and even takes credit for others' donations when he's donated zero.

Why is money to a charity or money for speaking fees so much worse than money in to a businessman's pocket?

And before you accuse me of being a liberal clinton supporter this has nothing to do with defending her. I just want to know why you claim Trump's blatant hypocrisy about Saudi Arabia is so much better than Clinton's dealings with them.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Of the rails again. mired again in the swamp of minutiae.

"it's Alright Ma."

Ishmael

But ISH! If we have no proof that she did anything, it wasn't a bribe. It more like a campaign contribution.

 

[Ishmael]

But ISH! If we have no proof that she did anything, it wasn't a bribe. It more like a campaign contribution.

Her public persona post election is.........interesting. and in spite of a week or so of 'dick stroking' comments "Willy the verbose" has gone silent. I wonder if it's dawned on them that Trump really is insane (ie. honor among thieves) to throw them, and all involved in their criminal enterprise, in prison?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I hope he doesn't, but I have presented my case in previous threads.



I need to get out of the door and on my way to work.

 

[phrodeau]

The price of gas in the US is shooting upward.

Donald Trump takes the blame for that.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So what you're saying is that your claim she whored out US energy to the Saudi's is based on nothing but your hatred for her.

1) It's based on the fact that she got paid, money talks, bullshit walks and they didn't giver her that money for nothing.

2) I never claimed she did. I proposed a hypothetical situation where she had become POTUS and would.

So why does that make trump better than clinton, when it comes to relationships with Saudi Arabia?

I never said it did.

At least the Clinton foundation does actual charity work.

Well it has to do SOMETHING to stay legal. It's also such a scam I've started my own "non profit" lmfao.

Why is money to a charity or money for speaking fees so much worse than money in to a businessman's pocket?

Because a businessman isn't writing laws that shit on my life.

And before you accuse me of being a liberal clinton supporter this has nothing to do with defending her.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The price of gas in the US is shooting upward.

TAX IT SOME MORE!!! And then write 400,000 pages of microprint regulations making sure only 2 companies can sell gas.

Then complain about how rich the 1% is...it's the lefty way!

Donald Trump takes the blame for that.

How? Obama is POTUS.

 

[phrodeau]

Trump is getting credit for DJIA @ 20K minus a bit, so he gets the blame for gas prices.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Trump is getting credit for DJIA @ 20K minus a bit, so he gets the blame for gas prices.

Negative....POTUS has been solely responsible for the price of gas since Bush 1 at least, some put it back on Carter.

Going off that bullshit standard we've all been using for quite some time now, DJT isn't responsible for the price of gas until he's sworn in. Until that time when the power transfer takes place, BHO is still the gas god.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

tee hee


It's all Fruit Loops™ up in here...

 

[Conager]

Trump is getting credit for DJIA @ 20K minus a bit, so he gets the blame for gas prices.

The drivers for petroleum product prices are many. Some are sector-specific, some are broad economy based as those factors indicate expected demand. Trump is responsible for those factors in the broader economy that analysts are reconsidering in light of an expected greater level of economic growth, and hence demand for fuel in al industries that use petreum in their production and/or distribution.

The DJIA is, by design, a broad economic indicator.

Contrary to the ill-considered prognostications of the perrenially wrong Paul Krugman, the market is betting analysts are right that a Trump presidency portends greater growth than what was projected under a Clinton continuation of the Obama malaise.

Some of that optimism is based on the reversal of bad economic policy and some of it is because with a unified all Republican government should (but probably won't) be able to pass pro-growth tax policies. Paying less in taxes means more money for companies to reinvest in capital goods, automation, r&d, or to payout in dividends.

The market is reflecting the fact that they are glad that the failed experiment in trickle up economics has ended. Perhaps business can get to the business of not building things so that government can spread that wealth around.

So yes, the two things are related, just not in the way you and Krugman would suppose.

 

[about_average]

1) It's based on the fact that she got paid, money talks, bullshit walks and they didn't giver her that money for nothing.

So you're speculating at the appearance of impropriety.

2) I never claimed she did. I proposed a hypothetical situation where she had become POTUS and would.

Why would she?

I never said it did.

Actually you did.

Question is which do you dislike/disagree with more.

Trump filling his pockets putting hotels in other peoples shit holes?

Or Clinton whoring our energy market out to Saudi Arabia?

I'm a bigger fan of Trump on that one.

Well it has to do SOMETHING to stay legal. It's also such a scam I've started my own "non profit" lmfao.

I assume you have evidence of that as well.

Because a businessman isn't writing laws that shit on my life.

Presidents don't write laws. But you can bet Trump is going to put his own business interests before yours or your personal interests. He puts himself first in everything he does or has ever done.

I totally understand you not liking Clinton, but to think Trump is one whit better is completely naive.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So you're speculating at the appearance of impropriety.

Why would she?

Because she got millions of dollars.

And no I'm speculating based on previous Clinton behavior, common human behavior + the money.

She's a far fucking cry from being a truly altruistic politician, millions of dollars will get favor over broke ass rednecks.

Actually you did.

That was talking about a Trump vs. Clinton presidency.....Clinton, not happening, is obviously hypothetical.

At least I thought it was obvious......apparently not obvious enough.

I never said she actually did it.

In the future, when I talk about what Clinton would have done, I'm tossing out my opinion on what I think she would do based off her past behavior/statements. Not claiming she took any actions as POTUS.

Jesus titty fucking Christ I can't believe I have to explain that to you.

I assume you have evidence of that as well.

Read up on how they operate, if you don't see the opportunity for exploitation then I can't help you.

You already used up your freebee on the explaining that my speculation on a Clinton presidency is not the same as me making claims of her action as POTUS.

If you want it spelled out for you it will cost you 500/hr.

But you can bet Trump is going to put his own business interests before yours or your personal interests.

So? This is no different than Bush, Obama or would be Clinton.

I totally understand you not liking Clinton, but to think Trump is one whit better is completely naive.

There is only one way he's better I can think of.

He's not on team "Fuck white guys the USA is horrible, let's import as many radical Islamist as possible!!" so that's an actual plus over Clinton.

He also put generation snowflake into a permanent triggering so that's also an up.

It's not much but it's better than what I would get from Clinton.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The drivers for petroleum product prices are many. Some are sector-specific, some are broad economy based as those factors indicate expected demand. Trump is responsible for those factors in the broader economy that analysts are reconsidering in light of an expected greater level of economic growth, and hence demand for fuel in al industries that use petreum in their production and/or distribution.

The DJIA is, by design, a broad economic indicator.

Contrary to the ill-considered prognostications of the perrenially wrong Paul Krugman, the market is betting analysts are right that a Trump presidency portends greater growth than what was projected under a Clinton continuation of the Obama malaise.

Some of that optimism is based on the reversal of bad economic policy and some of it is because with a unified all Republican government should (but probably won't) be able to pass pro-growth tax policies. Paying less in taxes means more money for companies to reinvest in capital goods, automation, r&d, or to payout in dividends.

The market is reflecting the fact that they are glad that the failed experiment in trickle up economics has ended. Perhaps business can get to the business of not building things so that government can spread that wealth around.

So yes, the two things are related, just not in the way you and Krugman would suppose.

Well said, but you are talking to people whom seem to be unable to get past 140 characters...

 

[Conager]

Well said, but you are talking to people whom seem to be unable to get past 140 characters...

Your comment about not finding a story more than five paragraphs long is apt. No one reads anymore, so no one writes.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes, the loss of the printed word may be the death of us all yet.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"I would say, that if you’re talking about a line of progress, if it can be called progress, that runs from Berthold Brecht’s Threepenny Opera, to Donald Cammell’s Performance, to Harry Potter, I don’t think you can really see that as anything but a decline. I will also point out that if you’ve got, I believe twenty percent of young people polled said that they would be embarrassed if their mates caught them reading. That would seem to me to be a decline, and also I would say that if you’ve got the Avengers movie as one of the most eagerly attended recent movies, and if most of those attendees were adults, which I believe they were, then if you’ve got a huge number of contemporary adults going to watch a film containing characters and storylines that were meant for the entertainment of eleven year old boys fifty years ago, then I’ve got to say, there’s something badly wrong there, isn’t there? This is not actually cultural progress."

Alan Moore

https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2016/12/31/the-completion-backwards-principle-5/

Just crossed this gem moments after posting...

 

[Conager]

The party that lived by the meme died by the meme. I was fairly new to Facebook when Obama's reelection campaign swung around. A friend's wife was posting all these "Romney's going to outlaw birth control!" memes with these pleas of, "People! Do your research!!"

Neither his campaign nor the Republican party was advocating any such thing. That Georgetown birth control thing was a stunt to get at Romney's fundamental religious roots, without coming across as bigotted anti-mormon.

Problem is, that although both Catholics and Mormons tend to have large families, Mormons are not forbidden from using birth control.

So this election they want to complain about fake news when retarded memes influence things the other way.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I liked Romney and thought he would have been a good President.

 

[Conager]

I liked Romney and thought he would have been a good President.

He is a little Progressive for my tastes but then again who isn't? His organizational skills far exceed Donald Trump though.

Donald Trump made a small fortune by starting with a large fortune. Romney did the reverse.

If someone wakes up from a coma and you give them a multiple choice question about which businessman was elected president, and the choices include Donald Trump and Mitt Romney I don't think anybody waking up from a coma would pick The Donald.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The party that lived by the meme died by the meme. I was fairly new to Facebook when Obama's reelection campaign swung around. A friend's w

And that's all that got read...

#

 

[Conager]

And that's all that got read...

#

Can you see why I have never posted anything to my Twitter account? I wouldn't even know what the password is after all these years. My password is probably more than 140 characters.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He is a little Progressive for my tastes but then again who isn't? His organizational skills far exceed Donald Trump though.

Donald Trump made a small fortune by starting with a large fortune. Romney did the reverse.

If someone wakes up from a coma and you give them a multiple choice question about which businessman was elected president, and the choices include Donald Trump and Mitt Romney I don't think anybody waking up from a coma would pick The Donald.

I say organizational skills are in the results. Losing does not prove superior organizational skills...

How long of a coma? After he allowed Candy to become the third debater we knew he did not have the chops to lead. The Orange Don would have cut her off at the knees like he was Tonya Harding!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Can you see why I have never posted anything to my Twitter account? I wouldn't even know what the password is after all these years. My password is probably more than 140 characters.

I never did Twitter, Facebook, MySpace...

 

[Conager]

I say organizational skills are in the results. Losing does not prove superior organizational skills...

How long of a coma? After he allowed Candy to become the third debater we knew he did not have the chops to lead. The Orange Don would have cut her off at the knees like he was Tonya Harding!

He did seem to lack understanding that politics has never been a gentleman's sport. He was the Duckie of politics. John Hughes throwing a random, hot girl at Duckie at the end of the movie was just stupid.