The real reason for war

[ImpWizard]

Gee whiz.....of course I know there are lots of terrorist groups, but why would a national government give any of them a WMD without any guarantee whatsoever of what they were going to do with it.

 

[Linedrive]

Iraq can't lob a missle across the Atlantic and hit the United States, though Israel is clearly a threat for that to happen. The only way Hussein could strike against the US would be to employ a terrorist organization to do it for him. You really think it's that unlikely...? Why are you willing to give Hussein the benifit of the doubt when it comes to his intentions and his past history...?

 

[8ball]

Gee whiz.....of course I know there are lots of terrorist groups, but why would a national government give any of them a WMD without any guarantee whatsoever of what they were going to do with it.

I'm sorry, did you say rational or national government?

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Al-Queda leaders such as Osama bin Laden have repeatedly called for the destruction of Saddam Hussein's regime.

This is true. Islamic fanatics regard ANY form of government NOT based on the Koran, whether Saddam's dictatorship or Bush's republic, as "impure".

 

[Linedrive]

The possibility to launch a massive terrorist attack against America would far outweigh any ideological differences they have.

 

[8ball]

This is true. Islamic fanatics regard ANY form of government NOT based on the Koran, whether Saddam's dictatorship or Bush's republic, as "impure".

Yes but the West is much more impure in their eyes. Has any terrorist flown any planes into Iraqi buildings? (and don't say yes, the US. neener, beat you to it)
Have any Iraqi Embassies been blown to bits? Have any Iraqi citizens been targeted in the world by terrorists? (besides what Saddam has done)

I understand what you are saying, but, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's not that hard to reason out.

 

[ImpWizard]

So what? Then once they hit the USA, isn't the group going to try and hit Saddam Hussein's regime as well? The man is not stupid, and he is paranoid about his personal safety and keeping in power.

 

[Propagandist]

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[8ball]

So what? Then once they hit the USA, isn't the group going to try and hit Saddam Hussein's regime as well? The man is not stupid, and he is paranoid about his personal safety and keeping in power.

No, he's not stupid, but, he's dangerous. He doesn't care what the hell happens to his people. If, if your scenario were to come about, he doesn't care because he would be down in his bunker. Terrorism doesn't faze him, because in order for it to work, you have to give a damn. And the terrorists know that. Oh, and the fact that he gives them money. That may have something to do with it. The all pure terrorists, still need money to operate.

 

[Linedrive]

So what? Then once they hit the USA, isn't the group going to try and hit Saddam Hussein's regime as well? The man is not stupid, and he is paranoid about his personal safety and keeping in power.

You are giving Hussein way more credibility than even Hann Blix would. I can understand you questioning this war, you live in Australia which quite frankly is unlikely to be attacked by an Iraqi backed terrorist group. The United States and Israel are the two biggest targets, I doubt you could dispute this. Britain, Australia and Poland have sent military forces in a show of support for the United States, knowing full well there may be a day in the future when they come calling for US help. I can understand how you don't see Iraq as a threat in the same light as most Americans do.

 

[ImpWizard]

Australia is certainly going to get problems from this war; we're easier targets than the USA, and our airport security is lax and incompetent. I know; I've worked with them.

We also have far too much coastline for our small navy and airforce to patrol. There are hundreds of old runaways leftover from WW2 still in usable condition in the far north.

Then there was the Bali Bombing. To Australians with a small population of only 20 million, the death of 90 young people in one incident is a lot.

Btw, my sister had a lot of friends and workmates who died when the WTC fell. She personally knew forty of the victims.

 

[Linedrive]

Imp...I'm simply pointing out that you don't view Hussein as a threat like I do. Even by the polls, Australians do not view Hussein as big of a threat as Americans do. I understand that every country is a potential terrorist target, I'm not blind enough to think this is reserved for America. I am stating that Hussein is a greater threat to America than he is to Australia, wouldn't you go along with that...?

 

[REDWAVE]

The real threat

The greatest threat to us right now is the usurper and warmonger sitting in the White House.

 

[Linedrive]

Keep on believing that Redwave. I've just enlisted in a citizen paramilitary group sponsored by President Bush. It's only for rich, white people so don't try to get in. We are embarking on a mission of rounding up people of your type. What did you say your address was again...? Please do not tell anyone about this organization, keeping it on the low down.

 

[REDWAVE]

Actually, there is such a group. It's called the Freepers.

 

[ImpWizard]

Imp...I'm simply pointing out that you don't view Hussein as a threat like I do. Even by the polls, Australians do not view Hussein as big of a threat as Americans do. I understand that every country is a potential terrorist target, I'm not blind enough to think this is reserved for America. I am stating that Hussein is a greater threat to America than he is to Australia, wouldn't you go along with that...?

Yep, he certainly is now that the USA and Britain are the co-sponsors of an attempt to conquer Iraq with the avowed aim of "regime-change". Win or lose, the hostility by Islamic extremists is going to get a whole lot worse because of this war. No doubt sparking numerous terrorist attacks and anarchic murders of Americans by wannabe martyrs.

 

[Linedrive]

Win or lose, the hostility by Islamic extremists is going to get a whole lot worse because of this war.

I don't agree here. Both America and Israel adopted policies throughout the 1990's in an effort to reach out, create better relations between the west and the middle east. These are evident from Bosnia, Kosovo and Oslo. In the mean time, Islamic terrorist groups bombed the two embassies in Africa, the USS Cole, numerous other smaller scale attacks and the planning of September 11th. All this was occuring while we try to adopt a more peaceful vision of the middle east. The same people that wanted us dead before, still want us dead....that has not changed. The thing that has been changing is the message that we will not tolerate and appease this kind of activity, instead leaving no doubt that there are reprocussions for terrorist activity, which includes harboring and supporting them.

These people understand power and force. If you adopt a policy of appeasement towards them, it is only a sign of weakness. It has been the way of the middle east since the beginning of time.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Why in hell would a national government give away WMDs to any kind of group, terrorist or otherwise, that just might use those WMDs to attack them instead?

Especially when the group in question hates that country's government and has vowed to topple them?

You're not making any sense at all.

If Saddam Hussein is so hated by his own people and the arab world like you yanks keep insisting, then what contradictory madness makes you think that he'd give WMDs that could be used to fight against him to the very people who want to destroy him?

Hi Impwizard, drop on over to the aussies thread on the other borard and meet a few of our locals . . .

To answer your question, the CIA confessed to the Rielge Senate Inquiry into the Import Administration Act, that the CIA had provided Saddam Hussien with anthrax, botulism, anti-personnel chemical agentsdelivery systems and "everything else as required" in the period up to 1991 Desertstorm.

Now we have the Fundamentalist Christian Dubyah Shrub appointed Administration conveniently ignoring the U$ role in the destruction of Kurds opposing Saddam Hussein in 1996.

Truly it may be said that being an ally of the U$ is a difficuly thing. Check which corporations have been invited to feed at the trough of post-war re-construction . . . count the number of Oz corporations NONE! ZERO!! NIL!!! . . . and remember the $us 1.5 billion per year wheat and other primary industry trade that Little Johnnie "Flakjacket" Howard has put at risk, or lost, by taking part in this illegal war of conquest for the sake of his ego . . . and at OUR EXPENSE!!

 

[Don K Dyck]

Yep, he certainly is now that the USA and Britain are the co-sponsors of an attempt to conquer Iraq with the avowed aim of "regime-change". Win or lose, the hostility by Islamic extremists is going to get a whole lot worse because of this war. No doubt sparking numerous terrorist attacks and anarchic murders of Americans by wannabe martyrs.

Hi Imp . . . you must realise that the Americans are predominantly introspective, xenophobic and scared of the world outside continental USA . . . less than 16%, 1 in 6, have travelled overseas.

Americans are force-fed propaganda by the ruling elite which makes the American in the street think that everything in the world is and can only get better if the world is transformed into the image of AmeriKKKa . . . where the rich get richer and the poor get well and truly screwed to make the rich richer . . . it is given the misnomer "Free Enterprise" and maintained on a diet of tariff barriers and politically distributed trade quotas.

 

[REDWAVE]

Hi, Don!

You working class stiffs in the military should be happy to die so Bush's rich cronies can get even richer.


Iraq contracts

 

[Rooster]

Redwave, do you EVER shut the fuck up?

No shit! She never will

 

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