The real reason for war

[REDWAVE]

Forget about "weapons of mass destruction," "Saddam is a monster," and all that bullshit; it's just eyewash to gull the simple Simons. The real reason for war is so Bush's big business cronies can get even richer off post-war Iraq. A subsidiary of Halliburton, Dick Cheney's company, has already been awarded a lucrative contract. Only U.S. companies, preferably ones that have donated to Bush, need apply for the coming bonanza.

A very telling quote on yesterday's Globalist (a pro-business site), from an unnamed Washington lobbyist: "There's no long-term pay-off in Afghanistan. People are much more excited about Iraq." The Globalist also noted Iraq reconstruction costs will be $25 billion/ year for 10 years. For the U.S. taxpayer, that represents an enormous liability. For Bush's rich cronies, it represents a golden opportunity.

As Rosa Luxenburg said, "Proletarians falling, profits rising."

 

[Guest]

They did the war so that you would have something to CRY about Redwave

 

[Guest]

Redwave, do you EVER shut the fuck up?

 

[Annabelllee2003]

The brain part of you REDWAVE ran down your mother's leg.

Hope you don't procreate.

 

[Guest]

Redwave, do you EVER shut the fuck up?

No Redwave don't know how to

He would cry if the world was perfect

 

[teddybear4play]

Who the fuck is Rosa Luxenbourg?

TB4p

 

[Ishmael]

Yawn, ancient shit RED. I posted that info over a week ago in another thread.

Nice to see that $$$ flowing back our way. Isn't it? Bet the French and Germans, and Russians are green with envy. Fuck'em.

Ishmael

 

[Sandia]

I've always been skeptical about the view that the war was about oil.

This article makes the best argument for that view I've come across.

It's easy to vilify George W. Bush as a cynical warmonger, anxious to attack Iraq to repay the oil companies that funded his election campaigns. But to do so is to make a dangerous and fundamental error, and such a myopic view of the Bush administration's policies puts America's future at risk.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Forget about "weapons of mass destruction," "Saddam is a monster," and all that bullshit; it's just eyewash to gull the simple Simons. The real reason for war is so Bush's big business cronies can get even richer off post-war Iraq. A subsidiary of Halliburton, Dick Cheney's company, has already been awarded a lucrative contract. Only U.S. companies, preferably ones that have donated to Bush, need apply for the coming bonanza.

A very telling quote on yesterday's Globalist (a pro-business site), from an unnamed Washington lobbyist: "There's no long-term pay-off in Afghanistan. People are much more excited about Iraq." The Globalist also noted Iraq reconstruction costs will be $25 billion/ year for 10 years. For the U.S. taxpayer, that represents an enormous liability. For Bush's rich cronies, it represents a golden opportunity.

As Rosa Luxenburg said, "Proletarians falling, profits rising."

Hi Redwave . . . here's another speculator for you . . . at present our governments are under pressure to sell water allocations as property rights, much like land title. The cotton ndustry is particularly interested because of the 24 inches of water needed to grow the weed. But take that strategy to Iraq . . .

While the oil is the major prize, the next most important resource to be stolen from the Iraqis may be their waster supply in the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers . . . as part of the post-invasion scenario we could see either

1. the return of Israel to Iraq, where Abraham started out; leaving the dry desert of the West Bank to the Palestinians or,

2. U$ agricultural interests applying broad acre cash crop for export farming technologies that exclude the native Iraqi population from their traditional homelands, while providing cheap raw materials for the few U$-based manufacturing industries that remain; or

3. U$ farming technologies imposed upon a population unable to pay except on credit for these "modern" wonders, and so enslaved to the U$ bankers forever, trying to clear the debt which the U$ Military Government of occupation imposed upon them. In other words, slavery re-introduced U$-style . . .

 

[MechaBlade]

And yet REDWAVE maybe be partially on to something here. Points for RED.

 

[Ishmael]

I've always been skeptical about the view that the war was about oil.

This article makes the best argument for that view I've come across.

While the article has hit on some truisms, it is myopic in it's own right. The access to cheap oil is just as important to the other industrialized nations as well as the developing nations.

The disengenuous comments about SUV's smacks of elitist collectivist thoughts. More interested in vilifying America and Americans than seeing the subject in more global terms.

Just another cheap shot by another small mind intent on imposing his/her personal prejudices on the rest of us. Fuck them too.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

And yet REDWAVE maybe be partially on to something here. Points for RED.

The only thing RED is on to is more bad drugs.

Ishmael

 

[RoughPlay]

I think the real reason for the war is so that Bush can be seen to be doing something about terrorism following 9/11 to improve his re-election chances. He also wants to be remembered as the president who got the job done as opposed to the president who did nothing.

If Bush and his cronies can make a bit of money on the side even better still. The missiles and bombs being used are very expensive and there will be lots of profits for the companies who make the replacements when the US military re-stocks.

 

[Guest]

 

[Sillyman]

We have multiple reasons.

1)War means patriotism. Look a fucking round. People weren't this fucking patriotic during the first Gulf. Patriotism is good for the governmnet. It means more money to the military, and it means that more people will support the President's actions within reason.

2)Saddam is a bad, bad man. He's one of numerous bad men out there, and currently the one we apparently feel the safest and most justified attempting to take down.

3)Visible action after 9-11. This reassures some people.

4)Oil to preserve the American way of life and to enrich the oilmen.

5)War to boost the economy. I have doubts that's gonna work on this one though.

6)Personally I feel George wanted to excute some of his military might while he was in office purely as a power trip. I think many presidents have done the same.

7)Revenge for attempted assasination.

8)Support for acts that broaded executive power.

 

[RoughPlay]

Bush has realised that arabs/Islam are the threat.

If you think in private with his closest aids they talk about "peaceful Islam" then you're mistaken.

They'll call them terrorist ragheads, and that's who they're after.

Iran, Syria/Lebanon, Saudi

Everyone is on the list and we'll take them all.

I think we'll have to wait until Bush wins another term before we take out Iran.

Its reassuring to know that all the American nuclear missiles are under the control of such well balanced and safe hands.

 

[RoughPlay]

6)Personally I feel George wanted to excute some of his military might while he was in office purely as a power trip. I think many presidents have done the same.

Yes USA presidents often enjoy playing with their big sticks.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Forget about "weapons of mass destruction," "Saddam is a monster," and all that bullshit; it's just eyewash to gull the simple Simons. The real reason for war is so Bush's big business cronies can get even richer off post-war Iraq. A subsidiary of Halliburton, Dick Cheney's company, has already been awarded a lucrative contract. Only U.S. companies, preferably ones that have donated to Bush, need apply for the coming bonanza.

A very telling quote on yesterday's Globalist (a pro-business site), from an unnamed Washington lobbyist: "There's no long-term pay-off in Afghanistan. People are much more excited about Iraq." The Globalist also noted Iraq reconstruction costs will be $25 billion/ year for 10 years. For the U.S. taxpayer, that represents an enormous liability. For Bush's rich cronies, it represents a golden opportunity.

As Rosa Luxenburg said, "Proletarians falling, profits rising."

Hi, call me Simple Simon. Sounds like resources will be used to bettering the infrastructure and opportunities for Iraqi citizens rather than going in Saddam's pockets. Sounds like a good plan to me.

 

[8ball]

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Hi, call me Simple Simon. Sounds like resources will be used to bettering the infrastructure and opportunities for Iraqi citizens rather than going in Saddam's pockets. Sounds like a good plan to me.

Morning, LtGR. Well said!

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

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Morning, LtGR. Well said!

Thank you. Good morning to you too.

I guess no one's been able to sway Red's perspective to a more reasonable outlook. He's an advocate for "people", especially the proletariat, I wonder why he doesn't embrace capitalism and business interests which have been shown to be the only system that truly provides a good living to proletariats and why he still holds to the bankrupt teachings of Marx which results in pain and turmoil for everyone but the tyrannizing leaders.

 

[8ball]

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Thank you. Good morning to you too.

I guess no one's been able to sway Red's perspective to a more reasonable outlook. He's an advocate for "people", especially the proletariat, I wonder why he doesn't embrace capitalism and business interests which have been shown to be the only system that truly provides a good living to proletariats and why he still holds to the bankrupt teachings of Marx which results in pain and turmoil for everyone but the tyrannizing leaders.

Because he couldn't find the Cliff Notes version on capitalism.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

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Because he couldn't find the Cliff Notes version on capitalism.

He's well read and he's a smart guy too, that's what makes it particularly strange that he won't let go of these bankrupt ideas.

 

[8ball]

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He's well read and he's a smart guy too, that's what makes it particularly strange that he won't let go of these bankrupt ideas.

I'll take your word for it. I haven't actually seen any evidence.

 

[Sandia]

Reasons we're at war:

1.) Important people in the Bush Administration have wanted to topple Saddam for years. This isn't a sudden inspiration - they feel like he's a rebuke to them (and to American power) merely because he exists. (Remember "It's a victory in the Arab World," after the first Gulf War?)

2.) 9/11 gave them an opportunity to strike at him.

3.) Taking out Iraq is just one part of a broader Republican vision of the role of the US in the world. This is the first example of a more "muscular" American foreign policy - one that disregards (in their view) other nations' interests in favor of our own. Their view is: we won the cold war, we're the #1 superpower in the world, and it's time we started acting like it, and the rest of the world got in line.

4.) Iraq is meant to be an example that we have both the military prowess and the will to use it.

5.) They believe he's genuinely a bad guy. (I agree on this one.)

6.) What's the point of having the coolest military in the world if you never get to use it?

 

[Guest]

Yea, let's wake up Chinese dragon!

Do you know how many chinese sleepers are in the West?

Be afraid...