'The private sector is doing just fine....'

[Disgustipated]

Shaddup, Bert.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

What are you fucking babbling about.

Whether it's classified as private or public, the criminals who rule this country and they are criminals and they do rule this country, they are not bothered by any ups or downs of this economy.

You better learn about criminal law and how organized crime works if you want to understand how this shitty government is run

I'm glad that we agree that obama is a criminal

 

[unregistered]

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No problem. I'm willing to concede that at this point it's whatever the Court says it is, penalty, tax, or pink elephant, and in the absence of repeal we're stuck with it.

But for the sake of friendly argument, the only reason why Roberts declared in the opening paragraphs of his opinion that the levy was a penalty was to get around the Injunction Act. He then goes on to argue the Statute unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause, the main congressional and government legal basis for the law. Then he swerves into completely new ground by finding that it is both a tax and a penalty, something never before done in the history of our jurisdiction, as amply documented in the dissenting opinion. But so what, right?

And the notion that Obama care levies no tax on the Middle Class is false. It levies a 3.8% tax on investment income. The $200,000 threshold includes the sum of wages plus investment income. So if you and your wife earn $175, 000 in wages and have $30,000 in investment income which puts you over the $200,000 threshold, you add the 3.8% to your existing capital gains rate and pay the result on the $30,000. As an aside, after January 1, 2013 that rate will jump to 39% and you'll add the 3.8% to that number.

Yep. Youre correct.

Seems to me that we're trying really hard to destroy the middle-class. I define the middle-class as the people who populate Main Street...MDs, accountants, garage owners, dry cleaners, etc. Somewhere along the way the pols joined a conspiracy with WAL-MART, APPLE, and McDONALDS et al to eliminate the competition, and transform America into Albania with peasants and elites.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Yep. Youre correct.

Seems to me that we're trying really hard to destroy the middle-class. I define the middle-class as the people who populate Main Street...MDs, accountants, garage owners, dry cleaners, etc. Somewhere along the way the pols joined a conspiracy with WAL-MART, APPLE, and McDONALDS et al to eliminate the competition, and transform America into Albania with peasants and elites.

obama care is not about helping people, obama care is about destroying what's left of our health care system

 

[unregistered]

 

[Sean Renaud]

Democrat's definitions of what constitutes the Middle Class gets lower and lower every year in order to escape having to own up to taxing them to death. In their mind the upper half of the Middle Class are now the "rich" so they can be demagogued and taxed as if they were.

Where do you get this bullshit? The middle class was destroyed completely and utterly by the loss of unions and this is what we have left after following your path for a quarter century.

 

[TexasWife25]

Democrat's definitions of what constitutes the Middle Class gets lower and lower every year in order to escape having to own up to taxing them to death. In their mind the upper half of the Middle Class are now the "rich" so they can be demagogued and taxed as if they were.

How do you define the middle class?

 

[coachdb18]

How do you define the middle class?

Those are the ones with an Obama painted target on them...

http://www.brianchappell.com/images/target.jpg

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Where do you get this bullshit? The middle class was destroyed completely and utterly by the loss of unions and this is what we have left after following your path for a quarter century.

and the union's destroyed American manufacturing

thanks to the american union we are no longer able to compete with imported goods, and obama's consumers love wal mart. goods from china

 

[Sean Renaud]

and the union's destroyed American manufacturing

thanks to the american union we are no longer able to compete with imported goods, and obama's consumers love wal mart. goods from china

You are dead wrong. The loss of unions destroyed America, crowned kings and queens with no effective checks and you love it.

We don't need to compete, and shouldn't compete with imported goods but scum like you want us to because you want to be someone's bitch. You're not enough of a man to contemplate standing on your own two feet and being a man so you actively seek out a master. If you weren't fucking me over in the process I'd gladly direct you to the nearest mistress or master but you are.

 

[Liar]

How do you define the middle class?

If your household has a refridgerator, yer solid.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

You are dead wrong. The loss of unions destroyed America, crowned kings and queens with no effective checks and you love it.

We don't need to compete, and shouldn't compete with imported goods but scum like you want us to because you want to be someone's bitch. You're not enough of a man to contemplate standing on your own two feet and being a man so you actively seek out a master. If you weren't fucking me over in the process I'd gladly direct you to the nearest mistress or master but you are.

at first I thought you were just stupid, now I see that you are clearly insane

stop smoking the obama kool aid, as the juice isn't crack

 

[unregistered]

 

[RobDownSouth]

I don't consider people with earnings of $250,000 a year to be "rich."

Of course you don't. Even though only 1.5% of all households earn more than $250,000.

You really are one pathetic son of a bitch.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't consider people with earnings of $250,000 a year to be "rich."

Neither do I. Lets start working on a plan where more than 1% of the population makes 250k and that is unfortunately going to involve fucking over a few billionaires and multimillionaires.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Sean Renaud]

Where do you get this shit? You have roughly 20% of American households making between $75,000 and $100,000 a year. What are they the underclass?

While I'd love to see where you got that number from who cares for the moment. 50% of Americans don't make shit, 20% make 75-100k and 1% make 250k and more. By both of our standards the bottom end of the 1% aren't rich.

 

[Sean Renaud]

How do you figure? How are you going to change that percentage by instituting a dictatorship?

I don't know how we're going to unfuck it, but we should start working on unfucking it. When the bottom end of the top 1% aren't rich you've done goofed and there's no denying it.

 

[unregistered]

 

[semen4her]

Didn't interest rates fall today in the states?

Houses are cheap as fuck, all the rich people should cash in.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I posted the link, and that was 20% of households, I edited.

That you did and thank you for pointing it out. Still doesn't change my argument one bit. When the bottom end of the 1% can't be called rich something is very wrong no?

 

[TexasWife25]

I don't consider people with earnings of $250,000 a year to be "rich."

As has been pointed out by others, a very very small percent of Americans earn 250k. 90% of Americans make less then 120k a year, therefore to me, the middle class would be those earning somewhere between 50-70k.

I wish middle class was the 120k or 250k range, but realistically, it's not.

 

[coachdb18]

As has been pointed out by others, a very very small percent of Americans earn 250k. 90% of Americans make less then 120k a year, therefore to me, the middle class would be those earning somewhere between 50-70k.

I wish middle class was the 120k or 250k range, but realistically, it's not.

Then why did Obama make a campaign pledge not to increase taxes on anyone making less than $250,000/yr?