The Predator

artful

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(This thread is in response to spankableBelle's recent-Striving to find a place here.)

Sad to say,the REAL predators (online or offline),
are REAL people, and their VICTIMS are REAL people.

Their evil exists in our societies the world over.
They continuosly seek to improve their worth by trying to make others feel, they themselves are worthLESS.

It is an evil which exists in human behavior, whether it is BDSM related or not. In BDSM circles, it is a PREDATORS natural feeding ground.
(JMHO)-Why? Because it is more difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Their FOCUS is not on the welfare of the relationship, even on a scene-by-scene basis. Long
Term or Short Term. Their focus is on themselves.

The problem is,...in BDSM,...there is an abundance of people,(men and women both), who send out signals-"I need someone to Dominate me."

Most NEW people, who are SUBMISSIVE, are usually identified quickly. Whether in real life or web based communications. These people are the ones who are the EASY targets.

They are not necessarily EASY victims. Why, you ask? Because people in general are cautious, (there ARE exceptions), and they realise what they
are NEWLY approaching, is a "NEW" experience for them.

With the first bit of attention to their newfound
desires, their emotions tend to be BUZZED. They are easily confused in this mental state.

Often, ONE who can recognise and CAPTURE that 'subs' attention FIRST, has a short measure of success in their effort to control and Dominate.

Some PREDATORS have an inordinate amount of skill, in manipulating a NEW 'sub' into a controlled environment. Insulating them against discovery and knowledge.

Sometimes,...it lasts a lifetime, but the 'sub' will forever be feeling worthLESS. BDSM, as WriterDom has stated in one of his recent posts, IS a "Big Tent", but THAT type of relationship, should never be construed as acceptable.

Does this mean a 'sub' should stay in the closet?
Not let their needs be known? I say NO! The answer is not to hide, the answer is take your time, use patience, communicate, seek knowledge and understanding.

Not just of the "Lifestyle", but of yourself. CHOICES,...we all have them, use them. Don't give away your trust, but allow those who are worthy to EARN it. It takes TIME for that!

Having read THIS Forum for some time, when I acquired Artful's dream as a 'sub', I encouraged her to make friends, read, and post to this Forum.

Why? Because I sensed our relationship had the possibility of becoming more than just a "FUN" type of excercise. I wanted her to gain knowledge
not of just the BDSM aspects,...but of herself.

The above post is only my expressed opinion, but it's MINE, and I OWN it. Comments and opposing thoughts are welcome.

spankableBelle, in my opinion, you have found a place here. :rose:
 
While I do not always agree with you artful I think you have a valid Point. We as a community must always strive to protect our members from the type of behaviors you just described. I think this forum does that through both the spread of information and the support it gives to its members.

artful:
"spankableBelle, in my opinion, you have found a place here. :rose: "
One hopes she feels the same.
 
artful, I have to agree with you. I know because it happened to me. I was scared beyond belief that I had given this person too much information about me and he was making demands that made me very uncomfortable.

I had been coming to lit for some time and received their newletter.... when I found about the old mother thread. It was the part about predators that struck me that that was what that person was. I first posted about that then and there.

I don't what happened to that. It used to be a sticky at the top of the forum. But everyone should read it, because predators come in all shapes and sizes.

I am appalled that Belle should be treated so by a member of this community. That type of behavior goes against everything we try to represent here.
 
BUMP

This is a great short thread, but with so many new names on the new faces thread, I thought it deserved a bump.
 
Thank you, Zipman, and I suppose that I shall assist in the endeavor!

Actually, in the approximate year and a half that I have been here at Lit, I have seen my fair share of "predators". It is, quite frankly, frightening. There is a situation even now, happening to one I truly like, that I consider to be just "wrong". I truly believe the woman involved is being "preyed" upon. Yet, she is new to the whole BDSM "thing", doesn't post here at all, and appears to be taking this man's word as truth. He posts to Lit as well, though rarely, and in the few posts he has made, he has caused red flags to wave wildly in front of my eyes.

The question might be: if we suspect some one is being preyed on, what to do? We can only be so much of a friend online. And if the person being preyed on is listening more to the predator than anyone else, you are likely to lose a friend in the process.

It tears at the heart - especially when you know how wonderful a relationship like this can be!
 
artful said:
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Having read THIS Forum for some time, when I acquired Artful's dream as a 'sub', I encouraged her to make friends, read, and post to this Forum.

Why? Because I sensed our relationship had the possibility of becoming more than just a "FUN" type of excercise. I wanted her to gain knowledge
not of just the BDSM aspects,...but of herself.

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Artful; I am in the same position. MY-Sir suggested that I too come here to find out more about the lifestyle and myself as well. HE is so wise about what I needed and for that I am grateful to HIM. HE has opened doors for me that had always remained shut becuase I had no knowledge.
I am deeply saddened and troubled by the thought of people being manipulated. :( I don't understand how anyone can do this to a fellow human being, but then again; I am an idealist. Do unto others as I would have them do unto me; is one of my morals. I would never intentionally cause hurt to another. Bad karma as far as I am concerned.
All we can do as a community (unity being the key word here); is be supportive and caring to those who are suffering. Be a friend to those who are in need of a shoulder. :heart:

Blessings to all:rose:
 
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MY-Sir's-k- said:


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All we can do as a community (unity being the key word here); is be supportive and caring to those who are suffering. Be a friend to those who are in need of a shoulder. :heart:

Blessings to all:rose:

Thank you all for your responses to this thread,
and to you MSK, I agree with, and support your statement. :rose:
 
Artful, you're as wise as they come, friend ...

I think you said something very good about choices. I agree with you 100%.

I think the best protection from online Predators is knowledge and self-confidence. And I hope that the members of this board will continue to help each other to increase it. I know they did within me ... :)
 
Sue

SexySusan said:

I think the best protection from online Predators is knowledge and self-confidence. And I hope that the members of this board will continue to help each other to increase it. I know they did within me ... :)

I SO agree with your statement Sue.

Case in point,...many will not be familiar with the progress of Dusty's personal life, but I am one of the fortunate few who is AWARE of how her knowledge and self confidence, has grown from a minimum, to an absolute velocity.

This girl *ROCKS*! She is truly a shining example of how EACH of us, has the power WITHIN, to turn ourselves around. HOW did she do this you ask? I will tell you.

She sought out knowledge and truth, even though at times it was painful. This allowed her to BECOME more confident in her ability to direct her own life.

Some will say,..."Yeah,...but she had a lot of friends,...a lot of support." TRUE!,...but she had to take the FIRST step. We all need support from our friends,...we ALL need help from time to time.

Would be a sad day indeed if we didn't need friends in our life. People who genuinely care for our well being,...helping us when we NEED it.

We are ALL learning with you Dusty, and we are learning how important it is to seek out the truth in giving our trust to someone.

Folks,...I do not recommend going through life not trusting anyone, but I *DO* recommend going s-l-o-w. Take your time, seek out the truths, face them head on as Dusty has done most recently.

(ok-Am off my soap box now):rose:
 
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artful said:


I SO agree with your statement Sue.

Case in point,...many will not be familiar with the progress of Dusty's personal life, but I am one of the fortunate few who is AWARE of how her knowledge and self confidence, has grown from a minimum, to an absolute velocity.

This girl *ROCKS*! She is truly a shining example of how EACH of us, has the power WITHIN, to turn ourselves around. HOW did she do this you ask? I will tell you.

She sought out knowledge and truth, even though at times it was painful. This allowed her to BECOME more confident in her ability to direct her own life.

Some will say,..."Yeah,...but she had a lot of friends,...a lot of support." TRUE!,...but she had to take the FIRST step. We all need support from our friends,...we ALL need help from time to time.

Would be a sad day indeed if we didn't need friends in our life. People who genuinely care for our well being,...helping us when we NEED it.

We are ALL learning with you Dusty, and we are learning how important it is to seek out the truth in giving our trust to someone.

Folks,...I do not recommend going through life not trusting anyone, but I *DO* recommend going s-l-o-w. Take your time, seek out the truths, face them head on as Dusty has done most recently.

(ok-Am off my soap box now):rose:

Art, feel free to stay on your soap box. This is valuable info. The predators are around and many are quite charming. I've met a couple of them recently. It is easy to be mislead and sometimes, I think they attempt to prey on those that seem to be hurt or especially vulnerable. :rose:

(Art, just so I'm clear. I'm not referring to our mutual friend. He doesn't fall into this category.)
 
Bump

It's been mentioned a lot lately, so I thought it worth a bump.
 
Great Thread Art

This is a thread everyone new or old to Lit should read.
Great insight Art.

And, I think my assignments are getting belle to post more.
 
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Soron said:

And, I think my assignments are getting belle to post more.



And what a wonderful assignment that will be for the rest of us! Her soft spoken manner and quiet insights are a delight to read.
 
bump

Always worth the read for the newbies or the oldbies (is that a word?)
 
artful said:
The problem is,...in BDSM,...there is an abundance of people,(men and women both), who send out signals-"I need someone to Dominate me."


I suggest that needy submissives are every bit as much a problem as dominant predators.

I continue to find the predisposition against dominant behavior repugnant and naive.

JMHO;

Lance
 
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Lancecastor said:


I suggest that needy submissives are every bit as much a problem as dominant predators.

I continue to find the predisposition against dominant behavior repugnant and naive.

JMHO;

Lance

I don't know Lance, I think the point here is that there are people who deliberately prey on those uninformed, needy submissives and they require a warning of this type.

While needy submissives may set themselves up as easy prey,
i think it is our responsibility as a forum to try and protect them by posting and/or bumping up threads like this.

Around New York, there have been a number of cases in the news about predator Doms that have abducted and enslaved women against their will.

The predator Dom is not the norm, but everytime they are successful, they damage the reputation of all Doms and encourage that predisposition that you speak of.
 
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I grant you it's not a popular argument to make, but the fact is that taking advantage of others is not a gender-specific trait.

I personally find it paternalistic for Doms to be espousing the protection of subs from other Doms.

Where are the experienced subs in this thread? Every book on D/s recommends very highly the concept of experienced subs mentoring inexperienced subs.

JMHO;

Lance




zipman7 said:


I don't know Lance, I think the point here is that there are people who deliberately prey on those uninformed, needy submissives and they require a warning of this type.

While needy submissives may set themselves up as easy prey,
i think it is our responsibility as a forum to try and protect them by posting and/or bumping up threads like this.

Around New York, there have been a number of cases in the news about predator Doms that have abducted and enslaved women against their will.

The predator Dom is not the norm, but everytime they are successful, they damage the reputation of all Doms and encourage that predisposition that you speak of.
 
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Lancecastor said:

Where are the experienced subs in this thread? Every book on D/s recommends very highly the concept of experienced subs mentoring inexperienced subs.




The experienced subs left - remember?
 
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Lancecastor said:
I grant you it's not a popular argument to make, but the fact is that taking advantage of others is not a gender-specific trait.

I personally find it paternalistic for Doms to be espousing the protection of subs from other Doms.

Where are the experienced subs in this thread? Every book on D/s recommends very highly the concept of experienced subs mentoring inexperienced subs.

JMHO;

Lance


Excellent points and well-taken.

It is not a gender specific trait and the bias I have in my post is exactly that - a personal bias. Call me the paternalistic, protective Brother with bias and a sawed-off shotgun and you wouldn't be far from the mark.

I saw Des, Coh, My-sirs-k and cellis post and add to this. But the point is again well-taken. It is the communities' responsibility to try and keep messages like this on the first page every so often.
 
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Perhaps the sound of grinding your axe has deafened you to all the experienced subs who say they intend on remaining here, Chele.

Regardless, my point remains and IMHO is valid.

Cheers;

Lance




SexyChele said:



The experienced subs left - remember?
 
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zipman7 said:


It is the communities' responsibility to try and keep messages like this on the first page every so often.

Agreed....and was agreed by many before including Risia, this article should be edited to be gender neutral and encompass people being taken advantage of online.

If memory serves, I used the example of the many men in the USA who are bankrupted annually by gold-diggers from the former soviet republics...a non-violent but equally predatory online practice.

Lance
 
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Lancecastor said:

Where are the experienced subs in this thread? Every book on D/s recommends very highly the concept of experienced subs mentoring inexperienced subs.

JMHO;

Lance





I have a mentor.

And as of today, I am mentoring.

I like that idea for so many reasons and believe I am going to start a thread onthe topic.

:D
 
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And we shall call her.....MiniTaken.

:)

Seriously...eggcellent, MissT!

Bravo.

Lance


MissTaken said:


I have a mentor.

And as of today, I am mentoring.

I like that idea for so many reasons and believe I am going to start a thread onthe topic.

:D
 
I believe we all have a responsibility to provide good information.

I think that we often define "Predators" in terms of the prey being female subs due to media attention as well as the higher likelihood that physical harm can result/

However, it isn't gender specific.

Probably, there could be terms or are terms for different sorts of predatorial behavior.

Even though a sub isnt' likely to have the desire, need or capacity to imprison a Dom, certainly subs do take advantage...financially, emotionally, and in terms of simply playing psycho little games.

I do fear that sometimes we pay so much attention to safety, that novices could be frightened away.

I would like to think that predators are the exception, not the rule. It is so, yes?
 
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