The NRA was pro-gun-control until 1977

[pecksniff]

National Rifle Association:

After the passage of the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934, the first federal gun-control law in the US, the NRA formed its Legislative Affairs Division to update members with facts and analysis of upcoming bills.[36][37] Karl Frederick, NRA president in 1934, during congressional NFA hearings testified "I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. ... I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses."[38] Four years later, the NRA backed the Federal Firearms Act of 1938.[39]

The NRA supported the NFA along with the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), which together created a system to federally license gun dealers and established restrictions on particular categories and classes of firearms.[40] The organization opposed a national firearms registry, an initiative favored by then-President Lyndon Johnson.[39]

But then:

Until the 1970s, the NRA was nonpartisan.[12] Previously, the NRA mainly focused on sportsmen, hunters, and target shooters, and downplayed gun control issues. During the 1970s, it became increasingly aligned with the Republican Party.[12] After 1977, the organization expanded its membership by focusing heavily on political issues and forming coalitions with conservative politicians. Most of these are Republicans.[41]

However, passage of the GCA galvanized a growing number of NRA gun rights activists, including Harlon Carter. In 1975, it began to focus more on politics and established its lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA), with Carter as director. The next year, its political action committee (PAC), the Political Victory Fund, was created in time for the 1976 elections.[42]: 158  The 1977 annual convention was a defining moment for the organization and came to be known as "The Cincinnati Revolution"[43] (or as the Cincinnati Coup,[44] the Cincinnati Revolt,[45] or the Revolt at Cincinnati[46]). Leadership planned to relocate NRA headquarters to Colorado and to build a $30 million recreational facility in New Mexico, but activists within the organization whose central concern was Second Amendment rights defeated the incumbents (i.e. Maxwell Rich) and elected Carter as executive director and Neal Knox as head of the NRA-ILA.[47][48] Insurgents including Carter and Knox had demanded new leadership in part because they blamed incumbent leaders for existing gun control legislation like the GCA and believed that no compromise should be made.[49][44]

 

[Chobham]

Overall the quotes are accurate.

But let's fill in some missing blanks. It was the NRA that backed and lobbied for the instant background checks. It is the NRA that has consistently lobbied for enhanced penalties for the commission of crimes with a firearm AND the rigid enforcement of those laws.

Further the NRA remained non-partisan. Through the years the NRA backed as many democrats as republicans. That has changed/evolved as the democrat party went about culling it's membership of supporters of the 2nd amendment. It was the democrat party that changed, not the NRA.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Overall the quotes are accurate.

But let's fill in some missing blanks. It was the NRA that backed and lobbied for the instant background checks. It is the NRA that has consistently lobbied for enhanced penalties for the commission of crimes with a firearm AND the rigid enforcement of those laws.

Further the NRA remained non-partisan. Through the years the NRA backed as many democrats as republicans. That has changed/evolved as the democrat party went about culling it's membership of supporters of the 2nd amendment. It was the democrat party that changed, not the NRA.

Ishtard: blaming Democrats for right-wing failures since Jimmy Carter.

 

[pecksniff]

It was the democrat party that changed, not the NRA.

There is no Democrat Party.

 

[Chobham]

There is no Democrat Party.

Not any more.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Not any more.

This coming from the idiot who voted for the moron who ruined his party.

 

[mayfly13]

interesting one, never knew. Correct me if I'm wrong:

Until now I thought that it was NRA who are the root-cause of the disastrous shootings in the US. And that Republicans were merely bought by NRA
But looks like it's the other way around: croney subgroups from within the Republican party subverted both.

In saying that: why did I never hear about this piece of History from Leftist higher-ups who are trying to institute gun control? It seems dodgy to me, because that line of discourse could lead to some constructive problem-solving.
Are they really interested in the gun control battle, or in discrediting their election opponents?

 

[pecksniff]

interesting one, never knew. Correct me if I'm wrong:

Until now I thought that it was NRA who are the root-cause of the disastrous shootings in the US. And that Republicans were merely bought by NRA
But looks like it's the other way around: croney subgroups from within the Republican party subverted both.

The root cause is the American gun culture. About 5% of the people own 50+% of the guns -- they're the ones who think they need arsenals.

That's 50% of the privately-owned guns -- it does not count those of military and law enforcement, who do need arsenals.

 

[Chobham]

The root cause is the American gun culture. About 5% of the people own 50+% of the guns -- they're the ones who think they need arsenals.

That's 50% of the privately-owned guns -- it does not count those of military and law enforcement, who do need arsenals.

You continually 'cherry pick' statistics. Statistics that are sketchy at best. Approx. 42% of Americans own guns. If 5% own 50% of the guns then there aren't enough guns left for the remaining 37%.

The facts are that NO ONE knows how many guns are out there, NO ONE. There are probably far more than anyone realizes.

 

[NickN_]

Just to play devils advocate. The people who have “arsenals” are not the problem either. They just love their guns

The people who have mental health problems and have access to a handgun or a AR, they end up ruining lives.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

There is no Democrat Party.

You know what point he's trying to make.
Everything you just said was discredited because...

It's The Democratic Party. Too bad so many of its members have a mental *tic*.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Just to play devils advocate. The people who have “arsenals” are not the problem either. They just love their guns

The people who have mental health problems and have access to a handgun or a AR, they end up ruining lives.

And all too often legally owned by someone else, but illegally taken by the shooter.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Arsenal owner here.

Confession time: I have never shot anyone although mightily provoked by people like Peck here.

I.e., those who would rule our lives by their standards, desires and limited empathies for the rights of others...
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[pecksniff]

The facts are that NO ONE knows how many guns are out there, NO ONE. There are probably far more than anyone realizes.

I hope you realize that that itself is a problem.

 

[phrodeau]

Arsenal owner here.

Confession time: I have never shot anyone although mightily provoked by people like Peck here.

I.e., those who would rule our lives by their standards, desires and limited empathies for the rights of others...
__________________________________________
Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

Nerfs don’t count.

 

[pecksniff]

At any rate, the NRA is no longer even a gun-rights organization. It is a lobby for the firearms industry.

 

[pecksniff]

Samantha Bee:

How the NRA Went From Responsible Gun Organization to Politically-Motivated Liars​

 

[Chobham]

I hope you realize that that itself is a problem.

And why is that a problem?

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

This coming from the idiot who voted for the moron who ruined his party.

Says the idiot who thinks his party is ruined..... totally delusional, take your meds Luk.

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

At any rate, the NRA is no longer even a gun-rights organization. It is a lobby for the firearms industry.

Those are deeply intertwined things, arguably inseparable.

Can't have gun rights without guns....

 

[ll74]

Those are deeply intertwined things, arguably inseparable.

Can't have gun rights without guns....

And the NRA is about lining the pockets of their leaders...hence the lawsuits and bankruptcy.

I e

You can have gun rights without the NRA

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

And the NRA is about lining the pockets of their leaders...hence the lawsuits and bankruptcy.

I never said they were a virtuous and well managed organization.

I e

You can have gun rights without the NRA

Sure, just don't get too many democrats elected.

But the point is the NRA STILL lobbies for gun rights..... rights Democrats want gone.

Which is why many folks who aren't Democrats still support them.

 

[pecksniff]

And why is that a problem?

The number of privately held firearms in circulation is a thing every government should know.