The Mindfuck

[feigninnocence]

Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I apologize if this topic has already been introduced here, but my curiosity has led me to post about it.

As of late, I have been interested in the concept of the mindfuck. According to my mini-research session, (meaning Wikipedia), it is an instance where "the bottom may be fooled as to the nature of the activities being taken part in. For example, the bottom may have consented to taking part in a branding, and been blindfolded throughout that part of the scene, only to discover that in reality only very cold ice cubes were used, and no branding had actually occurred."

This sounds relatively simple, but I have also sensed that it entails much more on a mental level. It's called a "mindfuck," after all.

My question is, what does it mean to you? If done properly, what are the effects? If you've ever taken part in it, how did you feel?

Just curious.

 

[Zinfandel]

I haven't had any experience with this in regards to BDSM...

But I can say that after my final night of sorority initiation, I was pleased to learn that I had, in fact, swallowed a slice of canned peach rather than a live goldfish. I totally believed it was a goldfish at the time though, and even though I knew it was impossible, I could have sworn I felt it swimming around in my stomach for a while after.

The only reason I mention it here (besides the fact that it's a funny memory for me) is to illustrate that I do believe it's quite possible, with the right setting and cues and state of mind, to simulate an activity in such a way that the subject believes it is actually taking place.

Others here will have more thoughts, and certainly more experience from which to give their perspectives. However, the one thing that came to my mind when reading your post is that one might want to be careful in such a situation that they are not setting a partner up for disappointment. In the Wikipedia example... what if the partner were disappointed to find out that they had not been branded after all? Also, it seems to me that finding out that something other than what was described had been done could feel like a betrayal, and erode trust...

Just my thoughts, and again, others here have much more experience to draw upon for their responses to your questions.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

The Godfather of the mindfuck is John Warren, author of The Loving Dominant (great book!).

The object is to set the stage for an activity, then do a "bait and switch" on them. Examples: The "Perils of Pauline" scene - You "kidnap" and tie your victim to the railroad tracks... the train comes rocketting along the tracks, horn blowing, you slip the blind fold on, tell her good bye... And the train rushes past on the parallel tracks...

Or the "I'm gonna cut you" scene - with knives and scalpels laid out, subby tied to table... you pour the alcohol, clean the skin, wash your hands, get out the gloves, slip the blindfold on... And begins "slicing and dicing" with the tip of a toothpick or the edge of a credit card, use a bit of warmed ketchup/water mix to simulate the feel of blood running down the skin, pooling under the submissive...


With the mindfuck you get to create a sense of danger and peril, without any real harm coming to your partner. It's rather like that feeling we get at the top of a roller coaster. You have the zoom and rush of the drop, without the unpleasant "splat" at the end of the fall.

YIK,
- Geoff

 

[catalina_francisco]

LOL, having experienced both cutting and having a toothpick used on the skin in a similar way, only problem is they do not feel the same in any way. With cutting (real cutting) you feel that momentary pressure followed by the skin actually breaking and opening up thus releasing the pressure on the surface and leaving the feeling of openness as well as any accompanying pain. The toothpick used in a similar way does not give that release of pressure even when it brings forth blood, and in my experience hurts a lot more and differently. By hurt I mean it is more a scratching type pain more so than an actual cut, and I think because it does not give away to that release type feeling, it tends to impact more on the immediate senses of the skin..... so in this instance the subterfuge would be broken very quickly for someone aware of these differences. I actually think the most effective mindfuckers are those who do not rely on props or scenes which seem to reinforce the threat/promise to create a sense of real possibility, but more so are a result of the power of the one creating the mood to gain the actual belief of the one they are fucking with solely by their own ability (no props) to convey a sense of realistic possibility to the point of not even entertaining a 'will they really do it?' thought. In this sense it is not something which can be done repeatedly (because it then loses its power and creates a loss of trust in part), but is more a once in a blue moon event but well worth the ride.

Catalina

 

[Alistunut]

Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Hello, feigninnocence. Me too.

I don't have any experiences to write about here, but I do remember reading a very good thread on this topic earlier in the year. Click me to find it.

A very interesting discussion of the trust issue starts on the second page of that thread, at about post number 36.

 

[blklthrjkt]

Having been the instigator of a number of mind-fuck scenes, I can tell you it is tricky to keep the trust of your bottom/slave/submissive once you do one. Not that they will not trust you to protect their safety, but you break a bond of trust to be honest. and that can be a problem depending on the person. I did a scene with my boy in which I introduced a knife by surprise. This did not produce the desired effect. Instead of sensual fear, which the trick had usually produced with other bottoms in the past, he snapped out of headspace and stopped the scene with a safe word. We talked for several hours before he finally calmed down.

We had not negotiated knives, and they were a stone cold no for him. My mistake, and after quite a bit of sincere discussion we healed the rift. Today he trusts me implicitly. Part of that trust is not to pull any surprises on him that we have never negotiated. That is fine with me, and we have been together for 12 years.

With casual partners, who I find have a more relaxed sense of humor about such things the mind-fuck works quite well. I won't give away any details since I don’t want to expose any other Tops tricks, (magician's code you know). Since I have a reputation in the community for being a twisted Top, mind fucks are to be expected, but care must be taken to assure that the bottom can handle it. That is part of the reason I still play with others at public parties. My boy and I have a bond of trust and because of that I respect his limits. He also trusts me and understands that I like to get a little extreme at times and he is happy that I can find bottoms willing to play with for those scenes.

Just my take on it.

By the way, not all mind fucks are bait-and-switch. Sometimes something you have done a hundred time can be elevated with the change in presentation to the bottom. Imagination is a wonderful thing!

 

[shyybabe]

This sounds amazing. Especially for someone with a plentiful imagination. Must read more..

 

[myinnerslut]

Sir is a fan of this. he doesnt do it often, but he did a few days ago though.

He fucked me in the ass in the afternoon. i then went into the bathroom to clean up. while i was doing that he cleaned himself up, but i didn't know that. later in the evenining, while playing some more, i asked if he had ever washed himself after this afternoon (soap, water, etc) or if he would want me to do it now. his reply was that it might feel nice for me to do it. i took that to mean that he had cleaned his cock so it wasn't "dirty" but hadnt actually washed it off. i went to get up so i could wash him off, and he pulled me back down and began to fuck me. i have a thing about being fucked after anal by whatever was in my ass if it wasnt cleaned off first due to health reasons. so i was squirming and not happy while he was holding me down and fucking me. i was also upset becuase he knew how i felt about this. when he finished, he pushed me down between his legs and told me to lick him clean. i hesitated. actually, hesitated isnt the right word. i stopped what i was doing, looked up at him and silently begged him not to make me, still believeing that his cock had never been cleaned after that afternoon. he pushed my head back down, and i began to lick all my juices off his cock. when i had finished he pulled me up to him and said "why didn't you listen right way when i instructed you to lick my cock clean?". i told him that it was becuase of how i felt about thigns that were in my ass going anywhere else.

he pulled me into his chest and whispered in my ear "of course i cleaned myself off earlier. i never said that i didn't".

 

[lil_slave_rose]

LOL, having experienced both cutting and having a toothpick used on the skin in a similar way, only problem is they do not feel the same in any way. With cutting (real cutting) you feel that momentary pressure followed by the skin actually breaking and opening up thus releasing the pressure on the surface and leaving the feeling of openness as well as any accompanying pain. The toothpick used in a similar way does not give that release of pressure even when it brings forth blood, and in my experience hurts a lot more and differently. By hurt I mean it is more a scratching type pain more so than an actual cut, and I think because it does not give away to that release type feeling, it tends to impact more on the immediate senses of the skin..... so in this instance the subterfuge would be broken very quickly for someone aware of these differences. I actually think the most effective mindfuckers are those who do not rely on props or scenes which seem to reinforce the threat/promise to create a sense of real possibility, but more so are a result of the power of the one creating the mood to gain the actual belief of the one they are fucking with solely by their own ability (no props) to convey a sense of realistic possibility to the point of not even entertaining a 'will they really do it?' thought. In this sense it is not something which can be done repeatedly (because it then loses its power and creates a loss of trust in part), but is more a once in a blue moon event but well worth the ride.

Catalina

your mind is a very strange thing and if made to 'think' you are being cut, and the toothpick hits, scratches, whatever, your mind can turn that sensation into the same sensation of actually BEING cut....that's what the mindfuck is all about..IMO

 

[catalina_francisco]

your mind is a very strange thing and if made to 'think' you are being cut, and the toothpick hits, scratches, whatever, your mind can turn that sensation into the same sensation of actually BEING cut....that's what the mindfuck is all about..IMO

LOL, nah, he tried it once with me and as he had already done both things on me for real before, I could tell the difference. Doesn't mean I didn't have marks for a couple of weeks, just that I knew what it was he was using. He is very good at mindfucking in general though and has the ability to reduce me to terror without showing or using anything other than his mind and words.

Catalina

 

[lil_slave_rose]

LOL, nah, he tried it once with me and as he had already done both things on me for real before, I could tell the difference. Doesn't mean I didn't have marks for a couple of weeks, just that I knew what it was he was using. He is very good at mindfucking in general though and has the ability to reduce me to terror without showing or using anything other than his mind and words.

Catalina

*nods* i know what you mean and i guess mind fucks are different for each person..what 'mind fucks' one ..may not the other....i can't say if i'd know the difference or not, as i've never been 'cut'.....yet...

i'm still freaked from the other example of the railroad track thing. that would more than mind fuck me, that would scar me for life..LOL...well maybe i'm being a bit dramatic and it did sound like fun reading it, but to actually have it done..whoa , i don't know

 

[Betticus]

Oooohhhhh! The mindfuck!

 

[jadefirefly]

I'm not 100% certain I could handle this sort of thing... not without years of trust built up. I'm not very good at trusting, and it'd be the work of a few minutes to destroy what trust there was, if it wasn't rock-solid to begin with.

 

[naughtygirl69s]

*subscribes*

 

[Etoile]

If somebody could find the thread I started about this a few years back, I would be most grateful - it's not coming up for me.

I have been subject to a few mindfucks. One was drawn out over a very long period, where I fully expected that I would be taken for a tongue piercing at any moment. Finally after a year or two of this, Daddy admitted e'd never actually planned to do it, it was just fun to play with me.

The other is described more fully in the thread I started, but I can summarize. We'd been together only a couple of years, but one day when we were fucking, e started talking like e thought I didn't really love em, and e twisted that into em not loving me either. I was heartbroken and insisted I did love em, and finally after playing with me a bit more e laughed and said "so kiss me, silly girl!" All along e was just mindfucking me!

But I believed every word of it. I was terrified. And I think that is a serious mindfuck - not just tricking someone that something is happening when it's really something else, but toying with someone's emotions is really evil.

Again, if someone can find that thread, I'd be most grateful. I'm 99% certain it was called "Major Mindfucks" or something like that, and I know I started it, but I can't find it.

 

[FurryFury]

If somebody could find the thread I started about this a few years back, I would be most grateful - it's not coming up for me.

I have been subject to a few mindfucks. One was drawn out over a very long period, where I fully expected that I would be taken for a tongue piercing at any moment. Finally after a year or two of this, Daddy admitted e'd never actually planned to do it, it was just fun to play with me.

The other is described more fully in the thread I started, but I can summarize. We'd been together only a couple of years, but one day when we were fucking, e started talking like e thought I didn't really love em, and e twisted that into em not loving me either. I was heartbroken and insisted I did love em, and finally after playing with me a bit more e laughed and said "so kiss me, silly girl!" All along e was just mindfucking me!

But I believed every word of it. I was terrified. And I think that is a serious mindfuck - not just tricking someone that something is happening when it's really something else, but toying with someone's emotions is really evil.

Again, if someone can find that thread, I'd be most grateful. I'm 99% certain it was called "Major Mindfucks" or something like that, and I know I started it, but I can't find it.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=191539

I just bumped it for ya.



Fury

 

[Cheshire D]

Yeah...alot of these scenarios make me squirm, and not in a very good way. I mean, perhaps it's because I'm not in any long-term, solidly-trustring relationship, and haven't been in a while, but I'd likely flip a lid at my Dom if s/he tried something like this before I felt okay with it/them. That might be considered topping from the bottom, but one of the few things I actually worry about in myself is my mental health...and a mindfuck like some of these would break it quite completely.

Trying to get a bit better, though. It's slow, however. I'm still a little uncomfortable while on my leash in broad daylight.

 

[Netzach]

LOL, having experienced both cutting and having a toothpick used on the skin in a similar way, only problem is they do not feel the same in any way. With cutting (real cutting) you feel that momentary pressure followed by the skin actually breaking and opening up thus releasing the pressure on the surface and leaving the feeling of openness as well as any accompanying pain. The toothpick used in a similar way does not give that release of pressure even when it brings forth blood, and in my experience hurts a lot more and differently. By hurt I mean it is more a scratching type pain more so than an actual cut, and I think because it does not give away to that release type feeling, it tends to impact more on the immediate senses of the skin..... so in this instance the subterfuge would be broken very quickly for someone aware of these differences. I actually think the most effective mindfuckers are those who do not rely on props or scenes which seem to reinforce the threat/promise to create a sense of real possibility, but more so are a result of the power of the one creating the mood to gain the actual belief of the one they are fucking with solely by their own ability (no props) to convey a sense of realistic possibility to the point of not even entertaining a 'will they really do it?' thought. In this sense it is not something which can be done repeatedly (because it then loses its power and creates a loss of trust in part), but is more a once in a blue moon event but well worth the ride.

Catalina

Heh. You kind of have to do those 101 level ones with people who haven't actually done the thing in question. I was convinced the tip of a corkscrew was a host of things it wasn't when I was an SM virgin with a blindfold on. I also "pierced" a needle phobe with an alcohol pad and the end of a paper clip. Not sure it would work on me or not, to tell you the truth, even though I've been pierced a lot, it still might fool me if I couldn't see.

 

[FurryFury]

I'm into the mindfuck. I don't see it as a lost of trust issue but then I wouldn't do it or be with someone that would use it in such a way. I see it as a fun thing. The best fuck is something that messes with your mind a bit IMO. As mentioned in the Priceless thread I did, it can be fun, valuable and add to trust.

Fury

 

[feigninnocence]

Thank you all for sharing.

And thanks for the thread bump, Etoile and Fury.

 

[mickyp123]

LOL, nah, he tried it once with me and as he had already done both things on me for real before, I could tell the difference. Doesn't mean I didn't have marks for a couple of weeks, just that I knew what it was he was using. He is very good at mindfucking in general though and has the ability to reduce me to terror without showing or using anything other than his mind and words.

Catalina

Try using a Tens machine, using a knife as one ot the electrodes and draw it across the skin while blindfolded

 

[FurryFury]

Thank you all for sharing.

And thanks for the thread bump, Etoile and Fury.

Who me? My pleasure comes from yours my dear.

Fury