The Irish have revolted

oggbashan

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The Irish people voted on a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty that replaced the draft European Constitution rejected by voters in France and The Netherlands.

The Irish voted NO!

The European Commission hadn't taken the French and Dutch No votes as final and had brought back almost everything in the rejected constitution as the Lisbon Treaty. Despite promises by the UK government, the UK's citizens have not been allowed to vote on the Treaty. Only the Irish, obliged by their own constitution, had the right to vote on the Treaty.

The Treaty is complex but provides for more federal power to European (unelected) Commissioners, a formal Presidency, formal foreign affairs etc.

In US terms it is like asking the States to give up powers, not to Congress and the Senate, but to the US government service officials.

Congratulations to the Irish for striking a blow for democracy.

Og
 
one for auld eire! Twas to be expected of course, the irish had quite enough of foreigners running their affairs to go on and hand power to new ones.
 
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one for auld eire! Twas to be expected of course, the irish had quite enough of foreigners running their affairs to go on and hand power to new ones.

Now the Tories need only run on a platform of referendum on the Treaty and Labour is sunk. How much more will it take before Brussels wastes away and becomes the ghost town it deserves to be?
 
Faith and begorrah, the Sons of the Auld Sod have once again snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

Imagine giving a lifer government bureaucrat more control over your very existence than your elected officials? Not bloody likely!

Three cheers for the Irish.:D
 
Faith and begorrah, the Sons of the Auld Sod have once again snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

Imagine giving a lifer government bureaucrat more control over your very existence than your elected officials? Not bloody likely!

Three cheers for the Irish.:D

Aye, Laddie, that they have. :cool: I can't imagine very many Americans turning their country over to foreign bureaucrats. :eek: Bad enough to be pushed around by American ones.
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I can't imagine very many Americans turning their country over to foreign bureaucrats.

Its already happened once, nothing to keep it from happening again. Lies made it happen the first time, and lies are easily told.
 
Its already happened once, nothing to keep it from happening again. Lies made it happen the first time, and lies are easily told.

I have never heard of Americans voting to turn any of their sovereignity over to any foreign bureaucrats. :eek: I suppose you are referring to W. Whatever bad you may say about him, he is not a foreign bureaucrat. :cool:
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the vote came from the Republic of Ireland, not the UK's Northern Ireland. I don't find this surprising at all. The treaty demanded the free Irish give up some of the freedoms they spent 300 years fighting for.

Why would anyone be surprised?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the vote came from the Republic of Ireland, not the UK's Northern Ireland. I don't find this surprising at all. The treaty demanded the free Irish give up some of the freedoms they spent 300 years fighting for.

Why would anyone be surprised?

Not at all surprised, happy they did the right thing. :D
Makes my bit of Irish proud :nana:
 
Mind you, it depends on the government...

Much of the time, I prefer the decisions of the faceless ones in Brussels to those of the wankers in Whitehall.

Devolution for Yorkshire within Europe; that I could go for!
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the vote came from the Republic of Ireland, not the UK's Northern Ireland. I don't find this surprising at all. The treaty demanded the free Irish give up some of the freedoms they spent 300 years fighting for.

Why would anyone be surprised?

Sure and that would be the freedoms the Irish spent 800 years fighting for, if you start when the Normans first bullied their way in around 1160. Things started getting more ugly after fat old Henry tipped over the Catholic church in the 1520s, and became downright unbearable with the coming of Cromwell and militant Protestantism in the mid-17th C. That would be the "300 years" you're thinking of, and you're correct that it's the period of greatest persecution, but the bloody Sassenachs have been stomping on the Irish for a lot longer.
 
Sure and that would be the freedoms the Irish spent 800 years fighting for, if you start when the Normans first bullied their way in around 1160. Things started getting more ugly after fat old Henry tipped over the Catholic church in the 1520s, and became downright unbearable with the coming of Cromwell and militant Protestantism in the mid-17th C. That would be the "300 years" you're thinking of, and you're correct that it's the period of greatest persecution, but the bloody Sassenachs have been stomping on the Irish for a lot longer.

Good god you're such a hypocrite.
 
Sure and that would be the freedoms the Irish spent 800 years fighting for, if you start when the Normans first bullied their way in around 1160. Things started getting more ugly after fat old Henry tipped over the Catholic church in the 1520s, and became downright unbearable with the coming of Cromwell and militant Protestantism in the mid-17th C. That would be the "300 years" you're thinking of, and you're correct that it's the period of greatest persecution, but the bloody Sassenachs have been stomping on the Irish for a lot longer.

Actually, it's longer than that. The "Irish" are descended from English invaders from about a thousand years earlier than that, who conquered and enslaved the inhabitants of Ireland.

They enslaved the ones they didn't kill. :eek:
 
Actually, it's longer than that. The "Irish" are descended from English invaders from about a thousand years earlier than that, who conquered and enslaved the inhabitants of Ireland.

They enslaved the ones they didn't kill. :eek:

Huh? The "Irish" - the group speaking what came to be called that language - were iron-age Celts who arrived on the Island around the middle of the first millennium BC - say around 500 BC, or perhaps a bit earlier. I supposed they passed through Britain, which was also occupied in the same wave of migration, which originated in central Europe. And no doubt they did not negotiate deeds-of-conveyance with the previous owners - more likely used their superior iron-technology to bonk them on the heads, take their wives, and set up housekeeping in their hovels. Soon thereafter if not immediately cattle raiding become the national sport for the next 1000 years.
 
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Huh? The "Irish" - the group speaking what came to be called that language - were iron-age Celts who arrived on the Island around the middle of the first millennium BC - say around 500 BC, or perhaps a bit earlier. I supposed they passed through Britain, which was also occupied in the same wave of migration, which originated in central Europe. And no doubt they did not negotiate deeds-of-conveyance with the previous owners - more likely used their superior iron-technology to bonk them on the heads, take their wives, and set up housekeeping in their hovels. Soon thereafter if not immediately cattle raiding become the national sport for the next 1000 years.

I was thinking of the Celts who came from Britain during the Roman conquest.
 
I was thinking of the Celts who came from Britain during the Roman conquest.

Willingly or not, most British Celts stayed put and became Romanized after the conquest. When they really bugged out for Eire and NW France (Brettony) was after the Anglo-Saxon invasions. To this day the Brettons can carry on a conversation with the Welsh and probably, the Gaelic Irish.
 
I saw this title and immediately thought of History Of The World Pt 1. Harvey Korman said to the King (Mel Brooks), "Your Majesty, the peasants are revolting!" To which Brooks replied, "You said it, they stink on ice!" :D
 
I was thinking of the Celts who came from Britain during the Roman conquest.

Hmmm - I don't think so. As I said, the Celts arrived in Ireland a good 600 years before old Claudius added Britannia to his empire. In fact, I think it was at the tail-end of that same wave of migrations that the Celts conquered and occupied Rome for several months, around 330 BC or so. It was a psychological trauma to which the Romans responded by becoming the roughest, toughest military power in Europe for some 700 years, bar none.

BTW, a member of a Celtic Briton tribe arriving in the territory of an Irish Celtic tribe during the time of the Roman invasion would have been greeted with all the welcome and fellowship that a poor Mexican can expect should his welcome wagon be operated by Minutemen or Tom Tancredo - those Celtic tribes did not recognize others speaking the same language as a common people even on their own Island, either Britain or Ireland.
 
In a globalist world only large political entries will thrive. Small ones and even medium size ones will be smothered under the globalist corporate agenda.

Europe will survive. The countries that make it up cannot.

I can understand, and agree with to an extent, the reasons Eire voted no. I'm not sure it was wise.
 
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