The idea of "no limits"

[Etoile]

This topic was prompted by a discussion in another thread, where the phrase "as slave to my Master i have no limits" caught my eye. I'd like to discuss that further.

I am also a submissive, and I'm willing to do anything my Daddy asks me to. There has not been a time yet when something has been suggested that I've shied away from. And yet I wouldn't say I have no limits. It's in human nature to have limits, things that squick and terrify. It's possible to overcome these limits when necessary (i.e., when a top asks you to), but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Also, I think tops often enjoy finding a bottom's limits, and then pushing them a little bit past...if a person claims to have no limits, then where's the fun of breaking through?

These are just a few of my thoughts on the subject. Seeing that phrase provoked a larger, deeper response in me, but I'm interested to hear what others have to say. Please share if you can. Thanks!

 

[Ebonyfire]

This topic was prompted by a discussion in another thread, where the phrase "as slave to my Master i have no limits" caught my eye. I'd like to discuss that further.

I am also a submissive, and I'm willing to do anything my Daddy asks me to. There has not been a time yet when something has been suggested that I've shied away from. And yet I wouldn't say I have no limits. It's in human nature to have limits, things that squick and terrify. It's possible to overcome these limits when necessary (i.e., when a top asks you to), but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Also, I think tops often enjoy finding a bottom's limits, and then pushing them a little bit past...if a person claims to have no limits, then where's the fun of breaking through?

These are just a few of my thoughts on the subject. Seeing that phrase provoked a larger, deeper response in me, but I'm interested to hear what others have to say. Please share if you can. Thanks!

Whenever anyone tells me that they have no limits, I always say I can find at least one.

I am pretty sure that death is a hard limit to most sensible folks.

 

[lark sparrow]

It's usually one of those intangibles for me, because if you discuss and share limits and you suspect your Dominant is not going to murder, maim or entirely destroy your spirit is it really going to come up?

If someone asks if I have limits, I say yes. If Mistress wants me to say I would do anything for Her and I have no limits, I say yes.

If She went insane and was bent on killing me would I simply beg for my life or would I fight Her visciously? Dunno. Can't see it ever coming up, and wouldn't know till then.

If I was deep in sub space and She told me to cross certain hard limits, would I do it? Dunno. Can't see it coming up, and wouldn't know till then.

I know what I suspect my current hard limits are, with life as I know it right now, and if life changes drastically, I just dunno.

 

[ownedsubgal]

i agree that we all have things that "squick" and terrify. but that is not the same as having limits. a limit is something you would not do under ANY circumstances. there are quite a few things on this earth that terrify me, that i find ethically deplorable, that disgust me. and if i were not a slave, those things would most definitely all be limits of mine. but upon becoming a slave i understood fully that any limits of my own simply no longer existed.

 

[Netzach]

I'm with lark sparrow and her contradictory both-yet-neither complexity re: limits.

I think D/s means living life on multiple levels, with a tiered sense of the real. It's perfectly acceptable to me that M would not submit to my cutting off his ear, but that in scene he'll say he'd do anything. It's the spirit of the laww vs. the letter of the law, it's metahphoric and transcendant and all that good stuff.

"Anything you say" is good enough for me when we are on that other plane.

 

[Etoile]

I guess discussion could continue here, but Anelize was good enough to bump up an old thread about this same topic. Feel free to take this over there. Sorry for making a new one!

 

[Ebonyfire]

I guess discussion could continue here, but Anelize was good enough to bump up an old thread about this same topic. Feel free to take this over there. Sorry for making a new one!

It happens. I would hope we can be flexible. There is still nothing new under the sun, and I doubt if there are subjects that have not been discussed before.

 

[Etoile]

It occurs to me that the idea of "no limits" is necessarily directly linked to the idea of Safe, Sane, and Consensual. The trust a sub has in a top depends on the knowledge that the top is sane, and won't do something permanently damaging in a negative way - I'm talking about cutting off an ear, not branding.

This might raise the issue, though, of what happens when a top does become mentally unstable. I expect this would happen over a period of time, rather than immediately, so a bottom would have the opportunity to seek professional/legal help, e.g. a restraining order.