The Fourth Coronavirus Surge: Dead Children

[Fuzzy1975]

The point I made is that Covid-19, including the Delta variant, poses a near-zero risk to children and healthy young adults. As you can see from the CDC website, juvenile deaths are < than 1 per 100,000. In fact, the same holds true for every age group under 65. Even among the 75+ age group, it is <2 per 100K. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime

Again, the data from the past 3 months indicates Delta is more virulent against the younger people, IE 60 and under, in fact it is closer to 30 and under.

So if you wish to compare the data, you either wait until 2022 ( where each data set has aged the same) or you wipe the slate clean of past data and look at the current indicators.

The current data trends indicate Delta hits younger people more, and harder than Alpha.

Yet you keep tying this trend to a minimal CFR in younger patients, than old. Well that is to be expected, this is the case even in Influenza, where it is the very young and the very old who are at most at risk of death.

But, and this is the main but....with Alpha, it barley touched the very young, Delta, it puts them into the hospital. That is the difference, and the problem, because it now attacks and hospitalises a larger pool of people, than it did in early 2020.

As for your focus on who lives or dies; given the same person infected with COVID irrelevant of age, in Haiti, do you think that person has the same chance of survival if hospitalised, as if they were in the US?

Do you?

Now lets look at the big picture. Why even worry about a virus that has a mortality rate of ( with excellent health care) around 1%? We worry not because of the CFR, but because it infects rapidly.

So think of it this way, if a virus, ( Influenza say) runs amok, for example in a fire station, it might make 50% of the staff ill, and they can't work. Those people now need to be replaced, else those guys may not show up to put out that fire in your kitchen.

With COVID, which is at least 10X's higher transmission rate over Influenza, it has the ability to shut down entire operations, look at your meat packers in early 2020. Did it matter that maybe only 10 people out of the 100 who got COVID, died? ( just one example of the plants that closed)

Well I am sure it did to their relatives, but the real cost was in the lost production. Those other 400 or so who couldn't go to the work. That is what COVID mitigation is now currently about, ensuring our economy,can continue uninterrupted.

Delta though is pushing the US back towards the time in spring of 2020, when the example I used above was becoming common place, and if you can't see that potential, then you are wilfully blind.

 

[Lazaran]

Again, the data from the past 3 months indicates Delta is more virulent against the younger people, IE 60 and under, in fact it is closer to 30 and under.

So if you wish to compare the data, you either wait until 2022 ( where each data set has aged the same) or you wipe the slate clean of past data and look at the current indicators.

The current data trends indicate Delta hits younger people more, and harder than Alpha.

Yet you keep tying this trend to a minimal CFR in younger patients, than old. Well that is to be expected, this is the case even in Influenza, where it is the very young and the very old who are at most at risk of death.

But, and this is the main but....with Alpha, it barley touched the very young, Delta, it puts them into the hospital. That is the difference, and the problem, because it now attacks and hospitalises a larger pool of people, than it did in early 2020.

As for your focus on who lives or dies; given the same person infected with COVID irrelevant of age, in Haiti, do you think that person has the same chance of survival if hospitalised, as if they were in the US?

Do you?

Now lets look at the big picture. Why even worry about a virus that has a mortality rate of ( with excellent health care) around 1%? We worry not because of the CFR, but because it infects rapidly.

So think of it this way, if a virus, ( Influenza say) runs amok, for example in a fire station, it might make 50% of the staff ill, and they can't work. Those people now need to be replaced, else those guys may not show up to put out that fire in your kitchen.

With COVID, which is at least 10X's higher transmission rate over Influenza, it has the ability to shut down entire operations, look at your meat packers in early 2020. Did it matter that maybe only 10 people out of the 100 who got COVID, died? ( just one example of the plants that closed)

Well I am sure it did to their relatives, but the real cost was in the lost production. Those other 400 or so who couldn't go to the work. That is what COVID mitigation is now currently about, ensuring our economy,can continue uninterrupted.

Delta though is pushing the US back towards the time in spring of 2020, when the example I used above was becoming common place, and if you can't see that, then you are wilfully blind.

Very comprehensive post.

Sadly it's probably wasted on those that could benefit most from the wisdom contained in the text.

Hopefully a few less oppositional people take something from your detailed explanation of the reasons for continuing to treat Covid like the serious threat it STILL is.

 

[bodysong]

Adults are insisting on spreading Delta, no masks, Anti-Vaxx, anti-restrictions

The Israeli government’s decision to start boosting those 50 and older was driven by
preliminary Ministry of Health data indicating people over age 60 who have received
a third dose were half as likely as their twice-vaccinated peers to be hospitalized in
recent days, Mevorach says. CHS also reported that out of a sample of more than
4500 patients who received boosters, 88% said any side effects from the third shot
were no worse, and sometimes milder, than from the second.

Yet boosters are unlikely to tame a Delta surge on their own, says Dvir Aran, biomedical
data scientist at Technion. In Israel, the current surge is so steep that “even if you get
two-thirds of those 60-plus [boosted], it’s just gonna give us another week, maybe 2
weeks until our hospitals are flooded.” He says it’s also critical to vaccinate those who
still haven’t received their first or second doses, and to return to the masking and social
distancing Israel thought it had left behind—but has begun to reinstate.

Aran’s message for the United States and other wealthier nations considering boosters is stark:
“Do not think that the boosters are the solution.”

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

Meanwhile, in America, Gov. Greg Abbott has joined other Trump Loyalists in
defying safety measures and becoming infected with Covid-19, despite having full
immunization against it, and depends on costly Monoclonal Antibodies treatments
to avoid becoming deathly ill.

Gov. Greg Abbott "will isolate in the Governor's Mansion and continue to test daily.
Governor Abbott is receiving Regeneron's monoclonal antibody treatment,"
the statement said.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's top campaign donor is billionaire CEO head of Regeneron.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Again, the data from the past 3 months indicates Delta is more virulent against the younger people, IE 60 and under, in fact it is closer to 30 and under.

So if you wish to compare the data, you either wait until 2022 ( where each data set has aged the same) or you wipe the slate clean of past data and look at the current indicators.

The current data trends indicate Delta hits younger people more, and harder than Alpha.

Yet you keep tying this trend to a minimal CFR in younger patients, than old. Well that is to be expected, this is the case even in Influenza, where it is the very young and the very old who are at most at risk of death.

But, and this is the main but....with Alpha, it barley touched the very young, Delta, it puts them into the hospital. That is the difference, and the problem, because it now attacks and hospitalises a larger pool of people, than it did in early 2020.

As for your focus on who lives or dies; given the same person infected with COVID irrelevant of age, in Haiti, do you think that person has the same chance of survival if hospitalised, as if they were in the US?

Do you?

Now lets look at the big picture. Why even worry about a virus that has a mortality rate of ( with excellent health care) around 1%? We worry not because of the CFR, but because it infects rapidly.

So think of it this way, if a virus, ( Influenza say) runs amok, for example in a fire station, it might make 50% of the staff ill, and they can't work. Those people now need to be replaced, else those guys may not show up to put out that fire in your kitchen.

With COVID, which is at least 10X's higher transmission rate over Influenza, it has the ability to shut down entire operations, look at your meat packers in early 2020. Did it matter that maybe only 10 people out of the 100 who got COVID, died? ( just one example of the plants that closed)

Well I am sure it did to their relatives, but the real cost was in the lost production. Those other 400 or so who couldn't go to the work. That is what COVID mitigation is now currently about, ensuring our economy,can continue uninterrupted.

Delta though is pushing the US back towards the time in spring of 2020, when the example I used above was becoming common place, and if you can't see that potential, then you are wilfully blind.

Lol. You did not even look at the CDC data I shared. It’s current as of yesterday dumbshit. Fewer than 1 death per 100K people among people under 75. Get over your infanticide delusions.

 

[bodysong]

4th child dies from COVID-19 in Mississippi as Delta spreads

- August 16, 2021

https://www.sunherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253091483.html

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Lol. You did not even look at the CDC data I shared. It’s current as of yesterday dumbshit. Fewer than 1 death per 100K people among people under 75. Get over your infanticide delusions.

No I didn't look at your CDC information, as I said several posts ago, I don't trust the data, since it is supplied by the states to the CDC. (https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=94112877&postcount=81)


I am looking at the data from Canada and the other G20 nations, who are not embedded into the political bullshit that the US is.

So maybe you should take a peek at those numbers, and what the trend for Delta, shows, I am not worried about how my country is handling this, it seems to me, the problems are in your country...and many are acting wilfully blind....*chuckles*

Last, this is not about death....you can die of COVID if you're in the wrong country, and they can't provide proper medical care.....death you dumbass is not the issue....keeping the economy open is.....and you do that by eliminating the COVID infection rate....and minimising the pool of people who can be infected.

 

[butters]

4th child dies from COVID-19 in Mississippi as Delta spreads

- August 16, 2021

https://www.sunherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253091483.html

Dobbs said that there have been four deaths in children in Mississippi since the start of the pandemic. Two are in the age range of 11-17, one in the 6-10 age group and one that was between the ages of 1 and 5.

“The recent death was a child who had an underlying health issue, but it was a common medical issue,” Dobbs said. “It’s not something that people don’t live with every day in Mississippi.''

how many more kids gotta die because of ignorance and political posturing?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

how many more kids gotta die because of ignorance and political posturing?

With a whole bunch of idiots like cubantripod and BabyBoomer, more than should, that is for certain.

Don't these same two miscreants also abhor the right for a woman to choose? Go figure....

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

how many more kids gotta die because of ignorance and political posturing?

The data tells us that in the US, it is substantially < 1 per 100,000. About the same number that die from seasonal influenza each year. For example, in Mississippi, 4 children have died from Covid over the past year and a half. Between 1 and 3 children in Mississippi die from influenza during a typical 6 month flu season. It’s why so many places outside the US haven’t let hysteria prevent kids from going to school.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Babyboomer, wouldn't you say it is irresponsible for the unvaccinated parents to not get a vaccination? I would. I can't think of any good reason not to, especially if I had kids at home.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Babyboomer, wouldn't you say it is irresponsible for the unvaccinated parents to not get a vaccination? I would. I can't think of any good reason not to, especially if I had kids at home.

I’m not giving you advice. I’m giving you data.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I’m not giving you advice. I’m giving you data.

You supply teh very best in cherry-picked data, that is a given.
I asked for your opinion. Surely you can find some fringe right agitator's opinion to hide behind!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

You supply teh very best in cherry-picked data, that is a given.
I asked for your opinion. Surely you can find some fringe right agitator's opinion to hide behind!

In response to hysteria about Covid risk children nationwide and in Mississippi, I shared the actual fatality figures provided by the CDC and the state of Mississippi. If this is your idea of cherry picking, so be it. If you have more reliable sources, bring it.

After that, I’m happy to answer your request for vaccination advice.

 

[Rightguide]

Don't know about the former guy, but Governor DeathSentence in Florida was very successful early-on getting badly needed vaccines to Republican zip codes. Democratic zip codes? Not so much.

My guess is a lot of Democrats are refusing the Trump vaccine. Kamala told us as much.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

My guess is a lot of Democrats are refusing the Trump vaccine. Kamala told us as much.

Could you more of a liar or a dumbass? No.

She said she would not take trumps word on if anything is safe or not because he is a lying sleazebag, much like yourself.

Trump is lucky to have low IQ people like you.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

My guess is a lot of Democrats are refusing the Trump vaccine. Kamala told us as much.

If there's a "Trump vaccine" then it's the TrumpFlu, you partisan hack.

 

[bodysong]

Republican governors would rather have their names linked to dead children
than life-saving masks.

August 18, 2021

Florida will punish two school districts for requiring masks.

The Florida Board of Education will impose unspecified penalties on Alachua and
Broward County public school districts for requiring masks.

Members of the board are appointed by Governor Ron DeSantis, a Republican death cultist
who has received millions of dollars from the CEO of a company that invests in treatments
for people diagnosed with COVID.

Children will die.

Pediatric COVID cases are on the rise in the US — more than 121,000 were reported
last week. “If you look at those individuals under the age of 12, what you find is that
it is very rare that kids under the age of 12 have anything other than the sniffles,”
said Mississippi’s Republican Governor Tate Reeves, who opposes a mask mandate.

A few hours later, Mississippi news outlets reported the death of 13-year-old
Mkayla Robinson from COVID.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/20...ng-masks-and-the-stone-cottage-is-on-the-move

 

[bodysong]

Philadelphia Tribune
Twitter › PhillyTrib

If you live in a state with a low vaccination rate, you're 4 times more likely
to be hospitalized and more than 5 times more likely to die

(link)

2 hours ago

The Red States Deaths

The Andromeda Strain 1971

They verify that Andromeda is still present and still lethal and transmitted by the air.
The use of various filters yields knowledge that the size is 1-2 microns: the size of a
bacterium. Dutton calls Stone and Leavitt to let them know what he has discovered,
so far. Stone and Leavitt start their scan on the inside of the satellite. They eventually
concentrate on a small pebble and some green substance that looks like paint. Hall
examines his patients and reviews the blood results. He talks to Jackson but gets
very little useful information. He tries to examine the baby, but it is clear he has
no experience with babies. Dutton calls to show him the isotope scan: it shows
how Andromeda gets into the body. As they suspected, it is inhaled,
"The clotting begins in the lungs and spreads outward."

(Trump Super-spreader Event Plans for Alabama)

August 20, 2021

Cullman, Ala., the city where former president Donald Trump is scheduled
to hold a rally Saturday, has declared a state of emergency because of its rising
number of covid-19 cases.

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) declared a covid-19 state of emergency across the state
last week, after a surge in coronavirus-related hospitalizations had left 95 percent of
Alabama’s ICU beds occupied.

Trump’s rally, hosted by the Alabama Republican Party, is scheduled to take place
at York Family Farms in Cullman, which is about 50 miles north of Birmingham.
In an email to supporters Friday, the Trump campaign promised an “EPIC Rally
in Alabama."

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC) -
Alabama doctors and pediatricians say we are in a dangerous place right now.

Alabama’s Democratic Party Executive Director Wade Perry said the event, which
is expected to draw about 40,000 people, is “ill-advised” and a “terrible idea” to have
people gather “just to listen to the former president tell lies."

Though young and healthy, unvaccinated Alabama father dies of COVID

MONTGOMERY, Ala.

On Aug. 11, he died of COVID-19 at a north Alabama hospital

Dead, just before his 37th birthday. Leaving a wife and three children behind.

 

[bodysong]

Louisiana governor urges people to get vaccinated amid 'astronomical' rise
in Covid-19 cases

(Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards is putting his state's population first, ahead of politics)

“I can tell you that for the last couple of days, 28% of all the new cases
that we’re reporting are in children zero to 17,” he said on Friday.

- The Guardian

The Advocate ✓
Twitter › theadvocatebr

As Louisiana faces its fourth wave
of the pandemic, the East Baton Rouge
Parish school system has instituted big changes
aimed at curbing the spread of the coronavirus.

(link to Baton Rouge Advocate)

4 hours ago

Gov. John Bel Edwards gave a press conference to announce
that monoclonal antibody infusion treatments are available.

(Is this an effort to prevent a flood of hospitalizations due to poisionings
from Ivermectin ? Propaganda has led to people to ingest a horse medication
meant to rid a horse of worms, and it has resulted in making people dangerously
ill. Repeat of past propaganda resulting in bleach poisonings.)

 

[BidudeinWi]

The Fourth Coronavirus Surge: Dead Children

FFS! Isn't this taking it too far ?

Miami Herald ✓
Twitter › MiamiHerald

Sunday Florida COVID-19 update: Current hospitalizations nearing 14,000, HHS reports

2 hours ago

(CNN)

In Florida, which has the second-highest rate of new cases per capita after Louisiana,
children's hospitals and staff are "overwhelmed," said Dr. Aileen Marty, an infectious
disease expert at Florida International University.

Gov. Ron DeSantis is placing the corpses of children on the altar of his political ambition -

Killing children, to make Joe Biden "look bad" ?

Gov. Ron DeSantis has been pressuring the Florida school system to spread coronavirus
- Holds the threat over the administration of public schools, and the teachers at public
schools, that he would refuse to release funds to public schools.

"Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is doing everything within his power to prevent school
children from wearing masks in the fall."

- Rolling Stone

Gov. Ron DeSantis Takes Public School Money and Gives It To Brainwashed Parents

Florida OKs school vouchers in districts requiring masks

Aug 6, 2021

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. —
Florida’s Board of Education decided Friday to provide private school vouchers
to parents who say a public school district’s mask-wearing requirements amount
to harassment of their children.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/florida-oks-school-vouchers-in-districts-requiring-masks

EU’s current statistics on vaccine adverse reactions and deaths. Be fully informed.

https://elcolectivodeuno.wordpress....drug-reaction-database-for-vaccines-covid-19/

 

[bodysong]

August 22, 2021

Trump sticks to his opportunity to collect cash in Alabama for his "Save America"
campaign PAC - The Secret Service did not allow MAGA fanatics attending the
Alabama rally to go full MAGA. Before the rally began, the Secret Service took
all of their "not weapons" away.

(Did they fear violence from the We Refuse subculture that Trump encouraged ?
This week Florida Man is beating teachers, and tearing their coronavirus masks off)

Trump's handlers lined up a few thousand MAGA in the rain, into a long procession.
This is what he told them -

"I believe totally in your freedoms, I do, you gotta do what you gotta do, but I
recommend take the vaccines,” the former president said at a rally on Saturday
in Cullman, Alabama. “I did it. It's good.” The crowd responded with boos.

"That's okay, that's alright," Trump pressed on.
"But I happen to take the vaccine."
"If it doesn't work, you'll be the first to know."
"But it is working. You do have your freedoms, you have to maintain that."

- Daily Kos

Wisconsin Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, the Rochester Republican who has ordered
an investigation into the 2020 Wisconsin election in which Joe Biden won-

Vos meets with Trump, vows to keep ex-president 'updated' on election investigation

Vos said:
“It was an honor to be invited to travel by private plane with President Trump
and top staff to attend his rally"

- Argus-Press

Wisconsin State Journal ✓
Twitter › WiStateJournal

Assembly Speaker Robin Vos said Saturday he spent the day
with the former president Donald Trump.

2 hours ago

Trump escapes possible Hurricaine Henri visit in New Jersey
to visit York Family Farms in Cullman, Alabama on Saturday ?

Is this announcement false advertising, after Gov. Ron DeSatan has ruined Florida's
chances at having a safe school year ?

The Palm Beach Post reports that 15-year-old Barron Trump will be
attending Oxbridge Academy starting next week.
(West Palm Beach, near Mar-a- Lago)

How does Trump feel about Covid-19 variants, after seeing that people
can become infected with the Delta variant, after getting immunization shots ?

A graveyard is filling up with Trump Loyalist politicians and state officials that die of
coronavirus.

Delta is claiming the lives of the unmasked and Anti-Vaxx.

 

[bodysong]

Houston Chronicle ✓
Twitter › HoustonChron

Inside a Galveston ICU, young patients once considered safe from COVID
now desperately cling to life

17 minutes ago

'You don't want to mess with this thing': Texas senator pleads with constituents
after he and his granddaughter contract Covid-19

Texas Sen. José Menéndez explained in a Twitter video Sunday that his loved ones
are suffering along with many other Texans who contracted the virus.

"I believe that, had I had not been vaccinated, I'd probably be in an ICU,
or I may not even be here.

- KXAN

- Raw Story

State Sen. José Menéndez, D-San Antonio, and members of his family are in quarantine
after his 14-month-old granddaughter tested positive for Covid-19

- Houston Chronicle

 

[bodysong]

August 30, 2021

The Florida Department of Education on Monday defied a recent ruling from
a state judge and leveled its first sanctions against school board members
who rejected the DeSantis administration’s orders on local mask mandates.

State officials withheld monthly salaries from board members in Alachua and
Broward counties who supported the mask requirements, marking a major
turning point in the weekslong fight over face coverings in schools.

A circuit court judge on Friday ruled the DeSantis administration lacked authority
to punish schools for implementing up mask mandates.

- Politico

 

[bodysong]

September 7, 2021

Wonkette reports Houston Public Media made the announcement that
Fifty-nine children have died of coronavirus in Texas.

via KVUE

15 hours ago

Last week, Austin-Travis County reported its first COVID-19 child death

Houston Public Media ✓
Twitter › HoustonPubMedia

As Gov. Greg Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton vowed to punish any school
district that defied Abbott’s ban on mask mandates, Republican legislators were
largely indifferent on the matter.

via @TexasTribune

(link to Houston Public Media)

6 hours ago

 

[pecksniff]

how many more kids gotta die because of ignorance and political posturing?

All of them, we should hope -- overpopulation, y'know.