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The latest in tender closing screwups.

yesterday we had a Municipal road construction tender close.
All bids were handed in on time. 5 contractors
Official opening.
Low bid 6.1 mil
next 6.3 mil
next 6 35.
and so on up to about 6.7
Pertty easy to pick the one that gets the job eh.

Well, not so fast folks. We have a problem.

Low bid tender package is incomplete.

It seems to be missing the last page where the signature goes.

Yikes....What now?

Opinions?

Mine is that bidder no 2 gets the job

std clause
" at no time the ....will be accepting the lowest or any bidder in the tender"

it usually goes up to round 2, especially if it is D&C.
 
The latest in tender closing screwups.

yesterday we had a Municipal road construction tender close.
All bids were handed in on time. 5 contractors
Official opening.
Low bid 6.1 mil
next 6.3 mil
next 6 35.
and so on up to about 6.7
Pertty easy to pick the one that gets the job eh.

Well, not so fast folks. We have a problem.

Low bid tender package is incomplete.

It seems to be missing the last page where the signature goes.

Yikes....What now?

Opinions?

Mine is that bidder no 2 gets the job

If bidder #2s package is complete, of course he should get the job. Otherwise it's just a stunt by the low bidder to get their foot in the door.
 
The $100,000.00 certified cheque tender deposit was with it.

But dam...no signature page.

I sure wouldn't want to be that estimator.

This is a legit company that has done lots of work for this city before.


Just a shitty mistake.
 
You'd think people would be tightening up their acts these days.

Hey CW, what are the prospects for an estimator who gets fired by his firm? How hard is it to land another gig.
 
You'd think people would be tightening up their acts these days.

Hey CW, what are the prospects for an estimator who gets fired by his firm? How hard is it to land another gig.


I doubt the guy will be fired. But he won't be getting a raise for a while.
There was probably a few guys involved in closing that tender and the owner likely had a hand in it.

Most construction work is scarce right now, but the roadbuilding stuff is moving along.
I wouldn't want to be looking for a job right now though.

the decision was to toss out the "incomplete tender" and award to the lowest "complete" tender.

Its really the only way it could go.

If he was say a mil low, his out would be to say..hey, that wasn't the signed tender we meant to put in
 
The latest in tender closing screwups.

yesterday we had a Municipal road construction tender close.
All bids were handed in on time. 5 contractors
Official opening.
Low bid 6.1 mil
next 6.3 mil
next 6 35.
and so on up to about 6.7
Pertty easy to pick the one that gets the job eh.

Well, not so fast folks. We have a problem.

Low bid tender package is incomplete.

It seems to be missing the last page where the signature goes.

Yikes....What now?

Opinions?

Mine is that bidder no 2 gets the job

#2 gets it without question.
I've seen this on a few occasions. Recently the bidder submitted his in-house worksheet instead of the bid form. Tossed out right there.
 
From the look of the title...probably...but who is he?

That jerkoff they hired to be the presenter or whatchamacallit on Extreme Engineering. The guy who gets up in the camera and talks the whole time when you are like get the fuck out of the way and let me see what's going on.
 
That jerkoff they hired to be the presenter or whatchamacallit on Extreme Engineering. The guy who gets up in the camera and talks the whole time when you are like get the fuck out of the way and let me see what's going on.

He's bringing drama into people's living rooms. No one needs drama out on the job.
 
So you know who I'm talking about, right?

Yeah, I hate that "the team only has 12 more hours to do XYZ" fake suspense bullshit.

Some times, it's warranted. Like when you have to deal with the tides around here. A 30' difference in water level in 6 hours can cause huge problems. remember dealing with a designer from NYC on a local project on some claims. He brought all his calculations, references, etc. to the meeting and laughed at my little 3 page critique of the design. I looked at my watch, and said, "It's time to go look at the slope in the harbor." It was a 5 minute walk, and less than a 2 minute wait to watch the slope fail as the tide went out.
 
Some times, it's warranted. Like when you have to deal with the tides around here. A 30' difference in water level in 6 hours can cause huge problems. remember dealing with a designer from NYC on a local project on some claims. He brought all his calculations, references, etc. to the meeting and laughed at my little 3 page critique of the design. I looked at my watch, and said, "It's time to go look at the slope in the harbor." It was a 5 minute walk, and less than a 2 minute wait to watch the slope fail as the tide went out.

Of course there's stress and hurry. It's just annoying how they work that formula so generically.

But anyhow I love that show, but that guy ruins it for me with his "throwing up gang signs like a Crip" style.

Did you see the Millau (sp) Aqueduct one where they jacked the whole roadway across the piers?
 
Sure things can be touchy. But generally we have a plan.
A lot of the people I see on that show, shouldn't be in construction.
Moving the grain elevators up the hill in a snowstorm with not enough power to pull em.
I mean come on. What engineer would get himself in a predicament like that.
Some farmer saing, I can do that with no engineers.
get real
 
Of course there's stress and hurry. It's just annoying how they work that formula so generically.

But anyhow I love that show, but that guy ruins it for me with his "throwing up gang signs like a Crip" style.

Did you see the Millau (sp) Aqueduct one where they jacked the whole roadway across the piers?

I admit to not watching enough TV, as I missed that one.
 
Sure things can be touchy. But generally we have a plan.
A lot of the people I see on that show, shouldn't be in construction.
Moving the grain elevators up the hill in a snowstorm with not enough power to pull em.
I mean come on. What engineer would get himself in a predicament like that.
Some farmer saing, I can do that with no engineers.
get real

Haven't seen that one.
 
They got this huge grain elevator halfway up a big hill. Didn't have enough power to pull it. Dozers were spinning tracks. They got wheeled trucks hooked up as well and it started to snow so they were spinning. Then the wind picked up and was threatening to blow this tower over. Then I turned it off
 
Two to plead guilty in Big Dig concrete case

BOSTON - Two former managers of a Big Dig contractor pleaded guilty Wednesday to being part of a conspiracy to deliver substandard concrete to the massive highway project.
Six former managers of Aggregate Industries NE Inc. were indicted in 2006 on charges they falsified records to hide the inferior quality of more than 5,000 truckloads of concrete.

They were accused of recycling concrete that was too old or already rejected by inspectors and in some cases double-billing for the loads.

Gerard McNally, a former quality control manager, and Keith Thomas, a former dispatch manager, pleaded guilty to 12 charges, including 2 conspiracy counts, five mail fraud counts and five counts of filing false reports in connection with a federal highway project.

A prosecutor said in court Wednesday that as part of their plea agreements, both McNally and Thomas have agreed to cooperate against the other four men and will testify against them during their trial, which is scheduled to begin Monday in U.S. District Court.

The men who are going on trial are: John Farrar, of Canterbury, Conn., a former dispatch manager; Robert Prosperi, of Lynnfield, a former general manager; Marc Blais, of Lynn, a former dispatch manager; and Gregory Stevenson, of Furlong, Pa., former district operations manager.

Laywers for McNally and Thomas would not comment on their plea agreements. Sentencing was scheduled for Oct. 1.

In 2007, Aggregate pleaded guilty to fraud and agreed to pay a $50 million settlement to end civil and criminal investigations into substandard concrete it delivered to the project. Under the settlement, Aggregate was allowed to avoid debarment, a sanction that would have barred the company from bidding on state and federal contracts.

Formally called the Central Artery and Third Harbor Tunnel project, the Big Dig buried Interstate 93 in tunnels beneath downtown and connected the Massachusetts Turnpike to Logan Airport with a third tunnel beneath Boston Harbor.

The $15 billion Big Dig - considered the costliest highway project in U.S. history - was plagued by construction problems, leaks, falling debris and huge cost overruns.

On July 2006, Milena Del Valle and her husband were driving through an Interstate 90 connector tunnel when 26 tons of concrete ceiling panels crashed onto their 1991 Buick, crushing to death the 39-year-old mother of three.

But the case against Aggregate was never connected to this crash.

The NTSB's July 2007 accident report said the wrong type of adhesive was used to secure the concrete slabs in the tunnel ceiling, and the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority contributed to the accident by failing to implement a timely tunnel inspection program.
 
The leaning tower of Tacoma

"TACOMA, Wash. -- The historic Luzon Building is now leaning, and an engineering report called it a "life safety hazard."

The city has sent the building's owners a letter, telling them they must either "fix it up," or "tear it down."

To the untrained eye, the Luzon is an eyesore, another collapsing building in dire need of a wrecking ball. But it's much more than that to owner Ron Gintz.

"It definitely is historic," he said. "It is the first skyscraper on the West Coast a six-story building."

In 1890, the building was a marvel reaching for the sky. Today it's crumbling, reaching for the ground.

An architect's report stated, "the Luzon building is currently in a state of progressive collapse."

And in a report to the city, an engineer issued a dire warning: "the Luzon Building is a life-safety hazard."

But Gintz doesn't want the city to be so hasty in dismissing the piece of history.

"We throw away too many things," he said. "The Kingdome being a classic example of what we build today and then it is discard-able. This it'll be beautiful when it is done."

Life-safety hazard or not, I wanted to see what the inside looked like. The historic building is also time-worn.

"This is a very slow collapse that's going on through this building," said construction director Karsen Keever. "It's been going on for 20 years."

Keever said the the building is actually collapsing. So I wanted some reassurance before heading in. Keever jumped at the opportunity, literally.

"There's no bounce," he said, but added, "you don't want to do that too many times.

Not even Keever would jump on the third floor where the debris crackles beneath one's feet.

"It's soft. Real soft," he said.

The owners plan to gut the building and tie the exterior to the old facade, preserving history safely. They even have $8 million in financing lined up. But the banks want assurance someone other than pigeons will sign a lease.

The biggest problem is time. They have to find someone to lease three floors of space within the next thirty to forty days. And the city wants details of the owners' plans quickly, preferably within a week.

The owners say they are working with a group of nonprofit corporations that may agree on a lease for space in a renovated building."
 
I know I've put some dodgy anchor bolts in in my time. Sometimes you keep hitting rebar no matter which way you go.
 
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