The anti-Christian Morality of Ethics

[Ishmael]

Noticed you haven't had a chance to chat with amicus about his excessively aggressive language yet. Maybe you're occupied admonishing vetteman for the time he called me an "ignorant bitch"? Or are you just too busy insulting me and passing judgment for giving enough of a shit to say something when I saw Rob go too far?

And why would you think I ever wanted to? That's just you mis-reading my mind babe.

Ishmael

 

[Phelia]

No, it isn't. The premise is that without an anchor all ethics/morals are malleable, subject to the whims and will of the individual. Make up your own as you go along.

Tell me, what is the atheist code of ethics? To what moral standard do they hold themselves? Or the Muslims, or Hindus, or Buddhists?

Which of those do you find more palatable than another? Or maybe they're all OK by you. Just where do you draw your line?

Ishmael

Oh, please. What a ridiculous claim. Ethics derived from the bible fluctuate with whomever happens to be reading it. Terrible things have been done in the name of god(s). Were the Westboro shitheads ethical? They followed the lord, after all.

I am an atheist, and my code of ethics is based on reason and reciprocity. I don't do shitty things to people because I wouldn't want them to do shitty things to me. We are social beings. The rules that allow us to coexist is relative peace evolved naturally. There's more universality to that than anything you could find in a religious text that's interpreted umpteen different ways.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Oh, please. What a ridiculous claim. Ethics derived from the bible fluctuate with whomever happens to be reading it. Terrible things have been done in the name of god(s). Were the Westboro shitheads ehtical? They followed the lord, after all.

I am an atheist, and my code of ethics is based on reason and reciprocity. I don't do shitty things to people because I wouldn't want them to do shitty things to me. We are social beings. The rules that allow us to coexist is relative peace evolved naturally. There's more universality to that than anything you could find in a religious text that's interpreted umpteen different ways.

*blink*

 

[Phelia]

And why would you think I ever wanted to? That's just you mis-reading my mind babe.

Ishmael

Why on earth would I waste my time trying to read your mind when your words are clear as day? Well, clear-ish. You're not making all that much sense, actually, so I suspect you're drunk, too. Oh well. It's Sunday night.

You both live in castles you've built out of your own illusions. I don't have the energy, the firepower, or the desire to tear the walls down. I'll leave you to it.

 

[Phelia]

*blink*

Hello, Bert. Thanks for the PM, but please don't waste any more of your performance art on me. I'm just not a receptive audience for that sort of thing.

But! I can't think of a better person to round out this party of shared delusions.

You kids be good, now.

 

[Ishmael]

Oh, please. What a ridiculous claim. Ethics derived from the bible fluctuate with whomever happens to be reading it. Terrible things have been done in the name of god(s). Were the Westboro shitheads ehtical? They followed the lord, after all.

I am an atheist, and my code of ethics is based on reason and reciprocity. I don't do shitty things to people because I wouldn't want them to do shitty things to me. We are social beings. The rules that allow us to coexist is relative peace evolved naturally. There's more universality to that than anything you could find in a religious text that's interpreted umpteen different ways.

No, your ethics are based on your own desires and perceived values without regard to any outside influence. You're just making it up as you go along. How do I know that? "I", "me, "I", 'me" Then after a litany of self centered ethics you proceed to project it to "us."

Take your "universal rules" to Gaza and talk to them. Or maybe Afghanistan. Just show us that you've put this 'universalism' into practice. Lead by example instead of esoteric bull shit.

Ishmael

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Hello, Bert. Thanks for the PM, but please don't waste any more of your performance art on me. I'm just not a receptive audience for that sort of thing.

But! I can't think of a better person to round out this party of shared delusions.

You kids be good, now.

More righteous indignation. You can't even seem to follow your own self-proclaimed tenets. And we're the delusional ones?

 

[badbabysitter]

what a load of horseshit

without a religous doctrine we are all beasts without centers

fuck that egocentric bullshit

 

[Phelia]

No, your ethics are based on your own desires and perceived values without regard to any outside influence. You're just making it up as you go along. How do I know that? "I", "me, "I", 'me" Then after a litany of self centered ethics you proceed to project it to "us."

Take your "universal rules" to Gaza and talk to them. Or maybe Afghanistan. Just show us that you've put this 'universalism' into practice. Lead by example instead of esoteric bull shit.

Ishmael

I stand up for my friends and for people I don't particularly care for alike, which you have yet to demonstrate though I gave you a clear opportunity this very evening. I have attended two protests regarding the violence in the Gaza strip since the beginning of July. I've never cheated on a romantic partner, I love my family and friends fiercely, and I always offer up my seat on the subway. I organized an annual Christmas care package program for deployed soldiers at my former place of work. I volunteer my time to teach young girls about coding and careers in technology and a few months ago I spent three hours on a weeknight on the middle of winter helping a lost homeless girl who only spoke Spanish find a shelter that would take her in. It's about me because you explicitly insinuated that, as an atheist, my morality was both anchorless and lacking. I'm not perfect and would never claim to be, but I do what I can to be a decent human being.

What the fuck do you do, armchair?

 

[Phelia]

More righteous indignation. You can't even seem to follow your own self-proclaimed tenets. And we're the delusional ones?

Haha, awh. Keep throwing shit, Bert. One day you'll find something that will land, but by then, your hand is going to stink to high heaven.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Haha, awh. Keep throwing shit, Bert. One day you'll find something that will land, but by then, your hand is going to stink to high heaven.

Atheists aren't very adept at turning the other cheek. So what is this...bullshit?

" I am an atheist, and my code of ethics is based on reason and reciprocity. I don't do shitty things to people because I wouldn't want them to do shitty things to me. We are social beings. The rules that allow us to coexist is relative peace evolved naturally. There's more universality to that than anything you could find in a religious text that's interpreted umpteen different ways." ~ Phelia

 

[Ishmael]

what a load of horseshit

without a religous doctrine we are all beasts without centers

fuck that egocentric bullshit

Did I say that fucktardette?

What I said, fucktardette, is that you and your buddies have NO ethical anchor. None at all. Your sitting there arguing anti-religion doesn't change that fact one iota.

You're just rudderless ships in a sea of turmoil. Spouting whatever contemporary bull shit is the 'social justice' du jour.

AJ is an atheist and I'm a Deist. Neither of us want a damn thing to do with organized religion. But that doesn't change the fact that within all of the major religions is a deep body of wisdom concerning human behavior. It's damn near like Newtonian physics, for every action is an equal and opposite reaction.

I find you and the ultra-religious as silly as silly can be. The only difference is they can point to a code, no matter how misinterpreted it is, and you have NOTHING.

Just you and your shallow, temporarily irrelevant thoughts.

Ishmael

 

[badbabysitter]

Did I say that fucktardette?

What I said, fucktardette, is that you and your buddies have NO ethical anchor. None at all. Your sitting there arguing anti-religion doesn't change that fact one iota.

You're just rudderless ships in a sea of turmoil. Spouting whatever contemporary bull shit is the 'social justice' du jour.

AJ is an atheist and I'm a Deist. Neither of us want a damn thing to do with organized religion. But that doesn't change the fact that within all of the major religions is a deep body of wisdom concerning human behavior. It's damn near like Newtonian physics, for every action is an equal and opposite reaction.

I find you and the ultra-religious as silly as silly can be. The only difference is they can point to a code, no matter how misinterpreted it is, and you have NOTHING.

Just you and your shallow, temporarily irrelevant thoughts.

Ishmael

how the fuck do you know that I dont follow an ehtical doctrine?

oh right... I disagree with you..so i must be antiethical

I mean it's not like I've worked with Habitat For Humanity every summer since I was 15, I work for an organization that builds shelters for women, men, and families, we also manage affordable housing projects and support people at risk ( the mentally ill, the addicted, ex cons) find and maintain tenancy, I donate blood regularly , donate to multiple charities, and physically protest against injustices as the situation arises


according to you.. this is all unethical

because I dont follow a church doctrine no less

you have shown no ethical practises.. so I can imagine why you think people are as ethically bankrupt as yourself

I can point to a code.. just not one you and your cohorts dictate for me


oh yeah, I also attend Mass 5 or 6 times a year.. I'm what you call a lapsed Catholic

so here are your own words


I find you and the ultra-religious as silly as silly can be. The only difference is they can point to a code, no matter how misinterpreted it is, and you have NOTHING.

Just you and your shallow, temporarily irrelevant thoughts.


and they are far more valid about you than me

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

His entire Op is based on the premise that ethics are anti-moral and anti-christian

I went and changed a handful of words.. and demonstrably showed that it can be shown that it is equally valid to say Christian morals are antiethical

hence.. the entire OP is inconsistent

You changed the words...

lol

... and changing words is proof. To you, lying must be the stuff of high moral construct.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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I am an atheist, and my code of ethics is based on reason and reciprocity. I don't do shitty things to people because I wouldn't want them to do shitty things to me. We are social beings. The rules that allow us to coexist is relative peace evolved naturally. There's more universality to that than anything you could find in a religious text that's interpreted umpteen different ways.

How a true Atheist establishes a moral code, ironically, it mimics most religious codes.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=802444

We probably are not social beings, but reason brought us to cooperation and the division of labor. It did not evolve naturally, a lot of it was by sheer brute force of the stronger just like out in my chicken coop. Brute naked power can be interpreted in more ways than Caligula had sex partners...

 

[about_average]

You called for limited government social spending.

In our current climate, that is extreme.

You obviously didn't really read what I posted.

Is the woman's response a normal response? I challenge you to say yes or no.

I said there is no "normal", and I said why. Please pay attention.

See, there you go again. There are many, everywhere, that have broadened the definition to include anyone that doesn't agree with the homosexual lifestyle regardless of whether there is 'fear' involved or not. Mere disagreements are promoted to 'phobia's' for no other reason than to allow the promoter to claim some sort of moral high ground. It's a well understood tactic.

I think it's interesting that you chastise people for using the word "homophobia", yet readily define homosexuality as a "lifestyle".

I don't usually have nice things to say about AJ, but I must admit that he has a remarkable talent for finding the stupidest, most pointless "thought" pieces on the internet. Even vette's C&Ps have more substance.

You're just parsing words.

Seriously, though I've really noticed that too. At first I thought it was an anomaly, but he's just too consistent.

Good Gravy! Is this person writing a stream of consciousness blog ? So you look to this person, for good judgment and beneficial knowledge ?

"The left's visceral hatred of poor whites overflowed like a broken sewer when John McCain chose Sarah Palin...."

July 20, 2014
Ten Reasons Why I Am No Longer a Leftist
By Danusha V. Goska

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/07/ten_reasons_i_am_no_longer_a_leftist.html

Weird, I didn't realize she was poor. An idiot yes, but poor?

Of course, I'd never actually visit the American Thinker website because I'm afraid that having that in my browser history would taint the algorithm for my gmail ads by categorizing me as an "idiot."

Good point, based on what I've seen pasted here. The title "American Thinker" gives a very bad impression of Americans if that's the level of thinking.

What I said, fucktardette, is that you and your buddies have NO ethical anchor. None at all. Your sitting there arguing anti-religion doesn't change that fact one iota.

Interesting argument.
"You, as a human being, can't have any sort of moral compass unless you believe in a codified system invented by human beings."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What did I misread?

 

[about_average]

What did I misread?

The post of mine you referenced.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The post of mine you referenced.

In your own words, what did it say?

 

[miles]

In your own words, what did it say?

This should be interesting.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This should be interesting.

Libertarians are very interesting.

:snicker:

 

[Ishmael]

Interesting argument.
"You, as a human being, can't have any sort of moral compass unless you believe in a codified system invented by human beings."

Pretty much, unless someone out there is channeling the Antarians. Or maybe they've found a way to communicate with ants and have adopted their system of ethics.

Even if you made up your own, and millions do, it would still be a human based system. Much of our law is nothing more than a codified system of ethics.

Pick up any of the so called religious texts, I don't care which ones you want to start with Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, it really doesn't matter which and read through them. The first thing you start noticing is that there is a significant thread of commonality that runs through them all. It seems that all the Gods got together at one time and agreed on certain rules for society. Rules that reduced the possibility of conflict and encouraged co-operation. And if you read a little deeper you begin to discover the reasons for those rules and the consequences to be paid for not following them. Not heavenly consequences to be meted out on the judgement day, but very real temporal consequences.

I don't care how technologically advanced a society is, there is nothing new under the Sun in regards to mans interactions with his fellow man. It's all been observed before, and documented, all you have to do is read.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Those books, like the Constitution, are old, too hard to read and OUTDATED!



We've "EVOLVED!" It took only 6,000 years! Thank you Bill Gates and Steve Jobs! You are truly Gawds...

 

[Phelia]

How a true Atheist establishes a moral code, ironically, it mimics most religious codes.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=802444

We probably are not social beings, but reason brought us to cooperation and the division of labor. It did not evolve naturally, a lot of it was by sheer brute force of the stronger just like out in my chicken coop. Brute naked power can be interpreted in more ways than Caligula had sex partners...

Hahahaha. Are you serious? Up and at 'em since 6:45am, posting nonstop, and rather than responding to the critique that you insisted I spell out for you (AGAIN), the best you can do is this recycled fallacy-riddled claptrap in reply to a post that was not directed at you.

You're a coward, AJ. And not even a smart one. A cheap and desperate imitation of the philosophers (and I'm using the term loosely) that you admire. You're a waste of time. Mine and yours.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Hahahaha. Are you serious? Up and at 'em since 6:45am, posting nonstop, and rather than responding to the critique that you insisted I spell out for you (AGAIN), the best you can do is this recycled fallacy-riddled claptrap in reply to a post that was not directed at you.

You're a coward, AJ. And not even a smart one. A cheap and desperate imitation of the philosophers (and I'm using the term loosely) that you admire. You're a waste of time. Mine and yours.

Then go away and pat yourself on the back for another Liberal "Victory" because you were able to get really nasty and mean.

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