The amazing variety of female clefts

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Ok, it's a bit of a long post but please bear with it.

Watching Naked Attraction, the UK TV show in which participants get to choose a date from a group of six naked contestants, my thoughts turned in the direction of the amazing differences there can be in the anatomy of individual women. It struck me (and some of the participants too) that, even though you might think you prefer a certain sort of body attribute, when it comes down to it something entirely different can be very appealing. Or, put another way, faced with six naked women it can be difficult to pick one. For the participants in NA it's even more difficult because they have to eliminate then one by one. But the variety is simply astounding.

One participant commented about the variation in length and position of women's slits and that set me thinking. They really do vary enormously. To be clear, I'm not talking about the vagina but the Cleft of Venus (or pudendal cleft as the medical books would have it), which starts just below the mons pubis, above the clitoris, and runs down past the entrance to the vagina to where everything comes together again at the perineum. On some women the cleft is tucked away under the body and pretty well hidden from a front view. On others the cleft starts way up the front. Compare, say, this well-hidden one with this one that might peek out of some bikini bottoms.

Related to this (possibly) is another question. A study carried out in 1924 by Princess Marie Bonaparte (a great-grandniece of Napoleon's and an associate of Sigmund Freud) suggested that the greater the distance between the clit and the cock in the vagina, the more difficulty a woman might have in reaching an orgasm during sex through lack of clit stimulation by the cock. Marie herself suffered from such a problem and she discovered that her gap was quite large. She measured a number of women and found a range of distances from 1.25cm to 3.5cm - a considerable difference.

(To be clear, especially for anyone wanting to try this out, Bonaparte's measurements were taken from the underside of the clit to the urethral meatus, the external orifice of the urethra, from which women pee. This is known by the rather appropriate though entirely coincidental acronym: the CUMD. I assume that this was because it's easier to measure from such a specific point than the rather larger target of the vaginal entrance.)

Bonaparte then asked the women whether they had a 'normal reaction' during intercourse. Unfortunately, she didn't define what she meant by 'normal reaction' nor did she tell the women or record precisely what she asked them, but it seems most likely that the women were being asked whether they experience orgasm during intercourse without any direct clitoral stimulation. There seemed to be a correlation: the greater the distance, the less likely the woman was to have a 'normal reaction'. This seems to tie up with my own personal experience (which, I hasten to add, sadly involves nothing like the sort of numbers needed for a proper scientific study) which has always led me to believe that a woman with a highly located clit needs separate clit stimulation to reach an orgasm, while those with it lower down will be stimulated 'naturally' while being fucked. A CUMD of around 2.5cm was around average in both respects.

It would be interesting to know from women on here whether this really holds true.

And back to the question of cleft length and position. Do women with a very long/highly-positioned cleft have a compensating long clit hood/clit combination that brings the clit back closer to the vagina, or is a long cleft with the clit near the top of it a sign of a longer CUMD?

Can any women on here add their statistics (or men on behalf of their partners)?
 
And back to the question of cleft length and position. Do women with a very long/highly-positioned cleft have a compensating long clit hood/clit combination that brings the clit back closer to the vagina, or is a long cleft with the clit near the top of it a sign of a longer CUMD?

Can any women on here add their statistics (or men on behalf of their partners)?

A few links to pictures to show the sort of variations that seem to occur. You will appreciate, of course, that I only study such pictures out of scientific interest. ;)

What appears to be a long cleft but with a very long clit/clit hood structure that seems to bring the clit down low enough to make good contact: http://66.media.tumblr.com/aef8234b4fdaed6b0321f31258e416fb/tumblr_nblj18o8g11smtp8to9_1280.jpg

and one where there seems to be a considerable gap: http://66.media.tumblr.com/c3a815ee05284f1d58d68faf249dfc3d/tumblr_nblj18o8g11smtp8to7_540.jpg
 
A few links to pictures to show the sort of variations that seem to occur. You will appreciate, of course, that I only study such pictures out of scientific interest. ;)

What appears to be a long cleft but with a very long clit/clit hood structure that seems to bring the clit down low enough to make good contact: http://66.media.tumblr.com/aef8234b4fdaed6b0321f31258e416fb/tumblr_nblj18o8g11smtp8to9_1280.jpg

and one where there seems to be a considerable gap: http://66.media.tumblr.com/c3a815ee05284f1d58d68faf249dfc3d/tumblr_nblj18o8g11smtp8to7_540.jpg

Very interesting theory and great pics.
 
This is actually a pretty interesting idea. I'm very curious to see what the ladies think and what they're own experiences are.
 
I would lose right our....That is way WAY to much thought into women for me. I couldn't take that much time to study....before i had to have a taste...
 
oh my. Not sure how to answer this. :) Well, I am a small woman, all over except for my bust and yes it is all me. I don't know if that has any bearing on the size of my "cleft." I am one of the lucky ones that with a semi good lover and above I can have an orgasm fairly easily, but if with intercourse it feels more like it comes from the inside unless I or someone else is stimulating my clit. As far as from my clit to my vaginal opening can't be very far, and less from clit to urethra. Depending on the position of the man, there is some clitoral stimulation from his cock.
Position wise, my cleft starts pretty much where the leg tendons connect. I know this is not the best angle to see it but is all I've got. I've posted pictures of myself before many times but this one was cropped by my past husband. I don't know how to size the original or I would post it. I think plenty of people here know what I look like anyway :) It is not exactly gynecological, but judge for yourself.
 

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oh my. Not sure how to answer this. :) Well, I am a small woman, all over except for my bust and yes it is all me. I don't know if that has any bearing on the size of my "cleft." I am one of the lucky ones that with a semi good lover and above I can have an orgasm fairly easily, but if with intercourse it feels more like it comes from the inside unless I or someone else is stimulating my clit. As far as from my clit to my vaginal opening can't be very far, and less from clit to urethra. Depending on the position of the man, there is some clitoral stimulation from his cock.
Position wise, my cleft starts pretty much where the leg tendons connect. I know this is not the best angle to see it but is all I've got. I've posted pictures of myself before many times but this one was cropped by my past husband. I don't know how to size the original or I would post it. I think plenty of people here know what I look like anyway :) It is not exactly gynecological, but judge for yourself.

Very interesting. The fact that yours seems to be fairly low and that you can achieve orgasms without clitoral stimulation appears to support the OP's hypothesis. I can say I've been with someone who had a very "high" clit, and she could not get off unless one of us rubbed her clit as we fucked. Interesting!

Also... Beautiful picture. You are stunning!
 
And back to the question of cleft length and position. Do women with a very long/highly-positioned cleft have a compensating long clit hood/clit combination that brings the clit back closer to the vagina, or is a long cleft with the clit near the top of it a sign of a longer CUMD?

Can any women on here add their statistics (or men on behalf of their partners)?

I really don't have any statistics to add, but I'd be willing to collect some data (in the name of research, of course). :D
 
I've had experiences with two women in particular who seemed to have clits on their belly buttons! Both suggested I may not be able to get them to cum because they had not cum with a man. Proved them both wrong but supports this therory.
When we first started dating the Hubby would tell me I had a small pussy. When I asked what he meant (worried we wouldn't fuck) he said my slit started at the best spot, really low so my clit hood was only visable when spread.
I have never been the type of woman to shy away from orgasms. In the beginning of my explorations I could easily have 4-5 orgasms during a half hr lovemaking session. That was in my early 20s though. Now that I'm a little older I need direct clit contact or some other stimuli.
 
Thanks for the responses so far but do keep them coming.

What impresses me (in a negative way) is that the workings of the sexual parts of the human body seem to be so poorly understood. We still don't know for certain, for example, whether true vaginal orgasms do exist or whether they're just a variation on clitoral orgasms, and whether all women have G-spots. That lack of understanding is really rather shameful when sex plays such an important part in our lives - or rather when it means that a lot of people suffer unnecessarily from lack of sexual satisfaction, possibly leading to marriage breakdowns and the like through supposed 'incompatibility'.

One of my partners, then in her late 50s, told me that she'd previously only had about 2 dozen orgasms in her whole life.

I think I was aware, from my 20s at least, that it wasn't necessarily enough just to stick your cock in a woman to have her writhing around in ecstasy but no-one really explained why. What's more, a lot of porn - and even some sexual advice sources - still peddle the myth of the holy grail of simultaneous orgasm even though that may be very difficult if not impossible to achieve for a lot of people. It is also worrying that people who should know better try to sow seeds of dissatisfaction - if not worry and fear - amongst both women and men about parts of their bodies, be they breasts, labia, cock size or whatever, whether for profit (eg plastic surgeons and porn merchants) or through ignorance.

End of rant.

Of course, I've aimed this thread at questions of female anatomy but it would be fascinating too to learn from people whether there are other differences in male anatomy besides just length and girth that make a difference to female sexual satisfaction.

oh my. Not sure how to answer this. :) Well, I am a small woman, all over except for my bust and yes it is all me. I don't know if that has any bearing on the size of my "cleft." I am one of the lucky ones that with a semi good lover and above I can have an orgasm fairly easily, but if with intercourse it feels more like it comes from the inside unless I or someone else is stimulating my clit. As far as from my clit to my vaginal opening can't be very far, and less from clit to urethra. Depending on the position of the man, there is some clitoral stimulation from his cock.
Position wise, my cleft starts pretty much where the leg tendons connect. I know this is not the best angle to see it but is all I've got. I've posted pictures of myself before many times but this one was cropped by my past husband. I don't know how to size the original or I would post it. I think plenty of people here know what I look like anyway :) It is not exactly gynecological, but judge for yourself.

Although you say you're small, a glance at your photograph - for which thanks, by the way - seems to show a high slit but also a relatively long clit/clit hood, though it is a bit difficult to see clearly. From my various observations over the years, both personally and pictorially, I can't recall any direct relationship between small woman/small cleft or vice-versa jumping out at me. Indeed some of the smallest women I've been with have had very long clefts.

Very interesting. The fact that yours seems to be fairly low and that you can achieve orgasms without clitoral stimulation appears to support the OP's hypothesis. I can say I've been with someone who had a very "high" clit, and she could not get off unless one of us rubbed her clit as we fucked. Interesting!

Also... Beautiful picture. You are stunning!

I agree with every word you say about the picture.

A lot of my partners have had high clits and have needed clit stimulation and not all of their previous partners have understood that.

I really don't have any statistics to add, but I'd be willing to collect some data (in the name of research, of course). :D

I would recommend that you don't start your research on brand-new partners. I am not sure that "Can I measure your clit-vagina distance" is ever going to qualify as one of the world's best chat-up lines, though it would be novel, I grant you. Similarly, whipping out a tape measure on your first date might kill the mood a bit. But for those in longer-established relationships, what better way of spicing up a Saturday night love-making than to take a few measurements! Just an idea for the weekend, lads and lasses of Lit. :rolleyes:

I've had experiences with two women in particular who seemed to have clits on their belly buttons! Both suggested I may not be able to get them to cum because they had not cum with a man. Proved them both wrong but supports this therory.
When we first started dating the Hubby would tell me I had a small pussy. When I asked what he meant (worried we wouldn't fuck) he said my slit started at the best spot, really low so my clit hood was only visable when spread.
I have never been the type of woman to shy away from orgasms. In the beginning of my explorations I could easily have 4-5 orgasms during a half hr lovemaking session. That was in my early 20s though. Now that I'm a little older I need direct clit contact or some other stimuli.

Thanks for that. Interesting observations.

What I find fascinating is the discovery (it's been branded as recent but I suspect that it's actually been known about for years, just never become well-known) the the clit head is merely the tip of a very big iceberg and that the structure of the clit actually envelopes the outside of the vagina. That may mean that what get described as vaginal orgasms may actually stem from clit stimulation too, but from an entirely different part of the clit.
 
Green Knight, If you look at my photo you will notice this was taken from a low angle looking up at me This might cause my cleft to appear longer. My clitoral hood does ten to protrude out from my labia majora. But when standing and photographed straight on, my cleft is almost not visible. These are the best pictures I could find of me. I almost can't believe I am posting thes for ll the world to see now at my age. :D
 

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These are the best pictures I could find of me. I almost can't believe I am posting thes for ll the world to see now at my age. :D

You may not believe it but we can and I'm sure we'd love to see more regardless of your age. Us oldies must support each other.
 
Green Knight, If you look at my photo you will notice this was taken from a low angle looking up at me This might cause my cleft to appear longer. My clitoral hood does ten to protrude out from my labia majora. But when standing and photographed straight on, my cleft is almost not visible. These are the best pictures I could find of me. I almost can't believe I am posting thes for ll the world to see now at my age. :D

from any angle the view is great....
 
I've had experiences with two women in particular who seemed to have clits on their belly buttons! Both suggested I may not be able to get them to cum because they had not cum with a man. Proved them both wrong but supports this therory.
When we first started dating the Hubby would tell me I had a small pussy. When I asked what he meant (worried we wouldn't fuck) he said my slit started at the best spot, really low so my clit hood was only visable when spread.
I have never been the type of woman to shy away from orgasms. In the beginning of my explorations I could easily have 4-5 orgasms during a half hr lovemaking session. That was in my early 20s though. Now that I'm a little older I need direct clit contact or some other stimuli.

i'm sorry brat, i'm just not following. any pictures to help me out?? ;)
 
Oh I hit submit before finishing my comment. From my clit to my vaginal opening is rather small so I have had clitoral orgasms depending on the sexual position, as I stated earlier.

I believe you mentioned this morning about the G-Spot. When manually stimulated inside me, and the fingers ( or what ever) are rubbing the supposed or actual area of the G-Spot , to me it feels like my clit is stimulated from inside. This on me is maybe an inch or maybe a tiny bit more inside and at the top of my vaginal opening. Most of my orgasms feel like they begin deeper inside me. One spot that is very sensitive the bottom of my vaginal tunnel right at the point of where my uterus starts is at what I think it is. I hope this link works. You will see a diagram of the female reproductive organs. There is a small area blinking in green is where I am talking about that is very sensitive in me and can trigger an orgasm pretty easily. BTW, I am NOT a gynecologist! Just a woman who as had a lot of sexual experience. So please no doctors jumping on me (not literally, that is. :D )

http://www.innerbody.com/image_repfov/repo37-new.html
 
Oh I hit submit before finishing my comment. From my clit to my vaginal opening is rather small so I have had clitoral orgasms depending on the sexual position, as I stated earlier.

I believe you mentioned this morning about the G-Spot. When manually stimulated inside me, and the fingers ( or what ever) are rubbing the supposed or actual area of the G-Spot , to me it feels like my clit is stimulated from inside. This on me is maybe an inch or maybe a tiny bit more inside and at the top of my vaginal opening. Most of my orgasms feel like they begin deeper inside me. One spot that is very sensitive the bottom of my vaginal tunnel right at the point of where my uterus starts is at what I think it is. I hope this link works. You will see a diagram of the female reproductive organs. There is a small area blinking in green is where I am talking about that is very sensitive in me and can trigger an orgasm pretty easily. BTW, I am NOT a gynecologist! Just a woman who as had a lot of sexual experience. So please no doctors jumping on me (not literally, that is. :D )

http://www.innerbody.com/image_repfov/repo37-new.html


that looks like the cervix to me...

bumping or hitting it with the head of the cock can be painful...
 
It is the cervix and yes that is painful when hit by a man's cock during intercourse. My most sensitive spot seems to be just before the cervix is hit. On me, I can't say for other women, but it is a rather small area. One very pleasurable and the second, painful
 
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Green Knight, If you look at my photo you will notice this was taken from a low angle looking up at me This might cause my cleft to appear longer. My clitoral hood does ten to protrude out from my labia majora. But when standing and photographed straight on, my cleft is almost not visible. These are the best pictures I could find of me. I almost can't believe I am posting thes for ll the world to see now at my age. :D

this is a fascinating discussion.

Thanks for sharing your pic LauraWilling.

Years ago some sex therapist said you could tell the size a shape of a man's penis and the tightness and depth of a woman's vagina by looking at a part of the ear. Once you saw yours in a mirror you could look for a partner that was compatible by looking at their ear.
 
It is the cervix and yes that is painful when hit by a man's cock during intercourse. My most sensitive spot seems to be just before the cervix is hit. On me, I can say for other women, but it is a rather small area. One very pleasurable and the second, painful

Wow! I can't imagine many women appreciating their partners poking around up there trying to locate such a specific spot so close to the cervix.

I've never heard about that being a particularly sensitive spot (but then I would hasten to add my interest is purely a lay one) but the vagina has sensitive spots all over, rather like (I believe) the fairly random distribution of erogenous zones on the body.

My interest stems from a realisation of just how many women have unsatisfactory sex lives. It seems terribly unfair - medical conditions notwithstanding, all most men have to do is to push it in and jiggle it about a bit and they're fairly well guaranteed an orgasm. I'm sure there are vast numbers of women who wish it was so easy for them.
 
My interest stems from a realisation of just how many women have unsatisfactory sex lives. It seems terribly unfair - medical conditions notwithstanding, all most men have to do is to push it in and jiggle it about a bit and they're fairly well guaranteed an orgasm. I'm sure there are vast numbers of women who wish it was so easy for them.

Agreed. I hope this tread continues with more input from the women of lit.
 
Once you saw yours in a mirror you could look for a partner that was compatible by looking at their ear.
That explains why I was so attracted to his ears!! I'm looking into this!
It seems terribly unfair - medical conditions notwithstanding, all most men have to do is to push it in and jiggle it about a bit and they're fairly well guaranteed an orgasm. I'm sure there are vast numbers of women who wish it was so easy for them.
Oh yeah just wiggle it a little bit and I'm there, whew, baby! NOT! The problem (IMHO) stems from men being so quick to ejaculate. Study after study suggest lesbians have a much higher orgasm rate vs straight couples. Why? Because lesbians spend at least 30mins under the covers. While straight couples admit to only having sex for 10-15mins. Fifteen minutes!! :confused: :eek:
 
I've never measured the distance between my vagina and my clit but it's a bit long. I seldom feel any clitoral stimulation during intercourse. But what I guess is strange is that I still have vaginal orgasms, quite easily in fact. However, they feel very different from clitoral orgasms. Clitoral orgasms take longer to achieve for me but are much more intense. Vaginal orgasms feel very different but aren't as intense. To add to that, g-spot orgasms feel rather different too, being somewhere in between with regard to both intensity and the sensation itself. Is this all that unusual? I've read women who believe that there's really no such thing as a vaginal orgasm and who didn't seem to understand when I said that my vaginal orgasms were not from clitoral stimulation.
 
Freya_Gin... I seem to be opposite. My clit Os are rapid fire light intensity. My g-spot Os are heavier intensity. And then I have what I call "full bodies" that are down right exhausting! So grateful to be a woman!!
 
OK one more. This is an old portfolio shot of me, 1986 it says. Pretty much the end of my career. A lot of the time I would be photographed from a slightly low angle to make me appear taller. This one has the lights above me a little and the reflectors almost even with my side with the camera lower. So you can see the subject of this thread fairly well and the rest of me really well. I was. I'm including a second photo to show the difference in my height and a friend of mine who was about 5'6"- 5'7" I was 4'11" then. My doctor says I'm 4'10" I'm tired of quibbling with him over that. :D Anyway, as you might guess, I'm on the right side of the photo. :DCorrection, photos are swithed. I had to copy and paste the first one as it had been posted in another thread. Thesecond is the portfolio picture

http://forum.literotica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1746039&d=1439700640
 

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