Thanks Again Canada......

[Lost Cause]

We may not have a incident free New Years Eve, thanks to another slip up that reminds us of the last guy we caught after coming through the border to blow us up! Remember this thread the day after, I hope I'm way off, if not, Canada needs some self searching on it's internal policies.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI said Sunday it wants the public's help in finding five men who may have entered the United States illegally within the past week.

The FBI identified the five men as Abid Noraiz Ali, 25; Iftikhar Khozmai Ali, 21; Mustafa Khan Owasi, 33; Adil Pervez, 19; Akbar Jamal, 28.

Sources said that if the men are in the United States, authorities want to know why and to question them for additional leads in the investigation of the al Qaeda terrorist network.

Although the names appear to be Pakistani, officials said they do not know for sure where the men are from, and the FBI said the names and ages may be fictitious.

The men may have entered the United States from Canada on or around December 24, the FBI said. Sources said a good chance exists the men had already entered the country by the time the information on them was developed in the past week.

The men were not being tracked, the sources said, and authorities do not know whether they might have crossed the 4,000-mile-long border together or separately.

The FBI said it has been working with homeland security agencies -- including the Customs Service, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Transportation Security Administration -- to locate the men.

The FBI has also given information about the men, including their pictures, to 18,000 local and state law enforcement agencies.

Anyone with any information about the group is asked to contact their nearest FBI office. Photographs of the individuals can be found on the FBI's Web site at www.fbi.gov.


*If I am wrong Jan2, I'll be glad to say so.

 

[HeavyStick]

Canada is still pissed over NAFTA.

 

[Liontamr]

And this is Canada's problem how?

It was US border guards who let him in was it not? I mean when I cross the borderI have to deal with American customs agents.. didn't these four men have to as well?

 

[Lost Cause]

Exactly...

They entered through Canadian customs first, roamed freely without question about their ID's, secured transportation and entered America. It's well documented about Canada's "don't ask, don't tell" policy about terrorists being allowed asylum by just saying "persecution!" The shit slides downhill, we shouldn't have to double-check someone coming from Canada, because their internal bureaus are so P.C.

 

[that_girl]

Erm...ok.

 

[Liontamr]

Re: Exactly...

They entered through Canadian customs first, roamed freely without question about their ID's

What would Canada have to question them for? Canada has to be America's first line of defence? I can just see how that line of questioning would go..

By the way, before we let you into our country we must ask if you plan on setting off a bomb somewhere within the United States.

Of course not, I don't plan on going to the United States, I am staying in Canada.

Yes, we know.. But do you plan on attacking the US anyway?

I just said I don't plan on going to the US. Isn't this Canada I am entering?

Well yes sir it is Canada but the Americans seem to think we are a 51st state or some sort of crap like that so we must ask.. were you planning to bomb Mount Rushmore?

Huh?! I was just planning on going to visit friends in Calgary.

Uh huh... Tell me sir, are these friends of yours part of a group that is planning to attack an American landmark?

 

[Lost Cause]

Exhibit A........

From a PBS documentary;

When Ahmed Ressam was caught at the Canadian-U.S. border, he was using a false Canadian passport with the alias Benni Noris. He was carrying fake identification with another alias. And investigators soon discovered he had entered Canada using yet another fake passport, from France. He had also manipulated Canada's asylum system by applying for political asylum at the border, knowing that the Canadian authorities would refer his case to another agency and let him stay in Canada while he waited for his asylum hearing.

Here are short excerpts from his trial testimony specifically dealing with Ressam's use of fake passports and how his terrorist network relied on them:

Q. What type of travel document did you use to get into Canada?
A. A fake French passport.
Q. What city did you go to?
A. To the city of Montreal.
Q. What happened when you arrived to Montreal?
A. Immigration stopped me.
Q. At the airport?
A. Yes. Immigration stopped me at the airport. At that time, I requested asylum.
Q. And how did you request -- how did you request asylum?
A. I provided them with a false story about -- to request political asylum. They kept me at their center there and then they let me go.
Q. When they let you go, what city did you live in?
A. I lived in the city of Montreal.
Q. How long did you live in Montreal?
A. From 1994 to 1998.

---------------------------

Q. How did you support yourself during that four-year period?
A. I lived on welfare and theft.
Q. What do you mean by "theft"?
A. I used to steal tourists, rob tourists. I used to go to hotels and find their suitcases and steal them when they're not paying attention.
Q. And what would you do with the contents of those suitcases?
A. I used to take the money, keep the money, and if there are passports, I would sell them, and if there are Visa credit cards, I would use them up, and if there were any traveler's checks, I would use them or sell them.

Ressam describes how a lieutenant of Osama bin Laden's asked Ressam to provide the group with Canadian passports:

Q. What country did you see Abu Zubeida in?
A. In Pakistan.
Q. He was leader of the camps?
A. Yes.
Q. Did you discuss anything when you met with Abu Zubeida on your return back to Canada?
A. Yes. He asked me to send him some passports, some original passports if I had that he can use to give other, give to other people who had come to carry out operations in U.S.
Q. What type of passports was he looking for?
A. Canadian passports, but original.
Q. Did he tell you the names of the people he wanted those passports for?
A. He gave me some of the names.


*Hey man, I don't want to make this a bash thread, If nothing happens, I'll apologize. If something does happen that's linked, the US/Canada has to overhaul an obvious lax system.

 

[roxanne69]

Ahmed Ressam lived on my street less than half a block from my house when it happened. Unfortunately, Quebec accepts almost anyone who speaks French (Ressam was Algerian and French speaking) without much of a background check to boost the waning French speaking population here. As a result of this, it was very easy to get into Quebec if you were Algerian, Morrocan, Lebanese or Iranian. From what I hear, it's not as easy to get into Canada anymore but there are sleeper cells we are all aware of. It's up to the FBI, the RCMP and watchful border guards to make sure these people are caught. It's not Canada's fault for being a compassionate nation.

 

[SINthysist]

No Canada is a lot like Saudi Arabia. Cooperation for Peace. You're willing to pay Tony, we want want him under Rico charges...

Just a difference in approach.

Compassionate or naive?

 

[roxanne69]

No Canada is a lot like Saudi Arabia. Cooperation for Peace. You're willing to pay Tony, we want want him under Rico charges...

Just a difference in approach.

Compassionate or naive?

Both, and I think we have learned our lesson the hard way.

 

[SINthysist]

What bugs me is why you guys don't have buses at our southern border for the Mexicans. There is a cheap willing labor force desperately trying to get north! They wouldn't even need to purchase forged documents and they'll work for Canadian Dollars in exchange for health care, even if minimal...

 

[roxanne69]

What bugs me is why you guys don't have buses at our southern border for the Mexicans. There is a cheap willing labor force desperately trying to get north! They wouldn't even need to purchase forged documents and they'll work for Canadian Dollars in exchange for health care, even if minimal...

There are no Mexicans crazy enough to come to this frozen wasteland!!! I think we should make a trade. You can have our "terrorists" and we'll take your Mexicans. At least the Mexicans work for their money. BTW, our health care system is fine thank you very much.

 

[k_girl23]

Oh yes let's blame everything on us Canadians. I'm sure there are probably people that went right to the US as well and weren't stopped, there are most likely more people than we know about and just because the news picks up on these stories about people coming in from Canada its' all our fault right. Give me a break, maybe we do need to have more checks ect, but why not have better checks crossing the border too?

 

[Lancecastor]

Fatherland Security

" Although the FBI has no specific information that these individuals are connected to any potential terrorist activities...the FBI would like to locate and question these persons."

FBI Website

 

[Jimi]

If the INS dough-heads...

let in the evil ragheads, not our problem. Take it up with Mr. "Homeland Security", OK?

We (Canadians) certainly DO need to spend WAAY more of GDP on National Defence... but as a sovreign nation, we will do it on our terms, Thank You very much.

Our Rt. Hon. Dolt agrees that your guy is a Moron - so what? Pols everywhere in the English-speaking World desrve each other this weather...

Empty rhetoric, Boys! there are Canuck sailors and airmen in The Gulf already - with the size of our Forces, I suspect MORE on a "per-capita" basis, than the US...

 

[RegisteredTroll]

Oh fuck off already. The bottom line is they may have gotten into Canada illegally, but with all the brouhaha about "war on terrorism" "increased security" blah blah blah...
American officials let them slip in.

Quit trying to shift the blame and for once accept the fact that you screwed up.

Simple.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

don't knock canada its that wonderful socialist nation where everyone is welcome to join the throng of welfare recipeints, full of wonderful highly trained doctors giving frre health care to all.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Jimi]

Hell, I'll feed ya!

Oh fuck off already. The bottom line is they may have gotten into Canada illegally, but with all the brouhaha about "war on terrorism" "increased security" blah blah blah...
American officials let them slip in.

Quit trying to shift the blame and for once accept the fact that you screwed up.

Simple.

Now, Now - We are not allowed to criticize Officialdom in our Friendly Neighbour to the South... Even reasonable, level-headed Yanks get very annoyed with us, when we do that.

Be a good Canadian lap-dog and repeat after me:

"Yass-SUH, Massuh Dubbya, Suh"

 

[LukkyKnight]

Yass-SUH, Massuh Jimi, Suh

let in the evil ragheads, not our problem. Take it up with Mr. "Homeland Security", OK?

...there are Canuck sailors and airmen in The Gulf already - with the size of our Forces, I suspect MORE on a "per-capita" basis, than the US...

I'm with the Canucks on this one; they can't be held accountable for the behavior of our own border guards. WTF? Like nobody ever got false ID in the USA? ~ROTFL~

Whatever.

Look, it's a serious issue, I concede, but it's not a Canadian failure.

 

[zipman]

Re: Yass-SUH, Massuh Jimi, Suh

I'm with the Canucks on this one; they can't be held accountable for the behavior of our own border guards. WTF? Like nobody ever got false ID in the USA? ~ROTFL~

Whatever.

Look, it's a serious issue, I concede, but it's not a Canadian failure.

I absolutely agree with you. Accountability starts at home.


The US has the right to voice an objection to the way that Canada deals with immigration and tracking visitors. However, Canada is under no obligation to do anything about it.

If the U.S. is still unhappy with their lax security, then it is up to us to enforce our borders with Canada much more severely.

Of course, this will hurt commerce, trade and tourism. Ordinary Canadians will have longer waits at the borders but that is a small concern where safety and security are an issue.

Tightening border controls, car searches and whatever other means are necessary should be instantly deployed.

 

[Lancecastor]

" Although the FBI has no specific information that these individuals are connected to any potential terrorist activities...the FBI would like to locate and question these persons."

FBI Website

Interesting that this thread has quickly turned into US & Canadian Citizens blaming each other for "terrorists" getting into the USA.

That's part of what terrorism is all about, kiddies.....getting you to turn on your own.

There is no suggestion by the FBI the 5 in question are "terrorists", by the way....they just want to get together for a chat!

You will keep seeing shadowy stories like this as long as the paranoia continues in the USA....and as long as Canada insists on retaining sovereignty over its own immigration and security laws.

The USA , not unlike American Literotica GB Posters....has a habit of bullying, namecalling and punishing anyone who doesn't snap to attention and do what they say is "right" and "patriotic".

Buck up, neighbors. We're the good guys.

 

[sterlingclay]

"Yass-SUH, Massuh Dubbya, Suh"

Yeah... funny Lost. And just how many illigal immigrants are wandering through the states these days? I go into the states with the bare minimum for ID and experience no problems at the border. My white American friend gets stopped at the border, hog tied and stripped searched by the Canadian border officials and you say we have weak security? Bah! Hogwash!

 

[roxanne69]

Buck up, neighbors. We're the good guys.

Even when we quote ourselves

 

[zipman]

<snip>
The USA , not unlike American Literotica GB Posters....has a habit of bullying, namecalling and punishing anyone who doesn't snap to attention and do what they say is "right" and "patriotic".

Buck up, neighbors. We're the good guys.

Wait, let me add that part about the American Literotica GB Posters bullying poor Lance into the pot/kettle thread.

I do love it so much when you play the victim. Do they have the equivalent of Academy Awards here at Lit?

 

[Lancecastor]

Wait, let me add that part about the American Literotica GB Posters bullying poor Lance into the pot/kettle thread.

I do love it so much when you play the victim. Do they have the equivalent of Academy Awards here at Lit?

I was speaking in general terms Zip and I'm serious...any poster from outside the USA with any kind of opinion on any subject is automatically attacked here.

I think it's post 9/11 paranoia amongst Americans, myself.

JMHO

Lance