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sr71plt
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Presume it was rejected for underage, which isn't permitted here. And you contradict yourself. You set forth the sexual interest of foot fetish and then say there's no sex in the story. A foot fetish is a sexual activity--you yourself describe it as a "deep rooted sexual interest."
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This is a privately owned site. All of Literotica is moderated by a single person, who goes by Laurel. She makes her livelihood from it and is an owner. All that gives her the unquestionable and unlimited right to reject or subsequently delete any story, forum post or comment she thinks isn't in the site's best interest. She and she alone gets to decide what that means.
One of the biggest surprises people get on coming here as a writer, is the "18" rule. As the rule is written, no character in a story can be under 18 if they are exposed to sexual situations of any sort.
You are not the first person to ask about this rule. You probably aren't the first person in the last 30 days, which is why some replies you get from other authors may seem grumpy. We see these questions a lot.
The 18 rule, like everything else here, is interpreted and applied by Laurel, and she takes a conservative stance with this one - if she thinks a story is going to encourage people to think about sex with people under 18, she'll generally reject it. That means that it's not enough to state your character is 18. He or she has to act 18+ as well. In Laurel's opinion, not yours.
Note that this rule isn't in place because of any existing laws. (There are few if any countries where a written story describing sex between seventeen years olds is illegal.) The argument "but the law says it's legal!" is meaningless here. This is Laurel's site, it’s her personal property, and she's not required to accept stories just because the law doesn't forbid them. This is not a free speech issue because private properties (like Literotica) are not required to allow anyone’s free speech laws. (The internet in general is not a haven for free speech - someone owns those servers you are using, whatever site you go to, and that gives them the right to filter content they don't like. The rules are just more pronounced here than you may be used to.)
Note that the rule has nothing to do with pedophilia. Pedophilia is an interest in pre-pubescent children, formally defined as age 12 and younger. The under 18 rule is in response to different concerns - but it should be trivially apparent that an actual pedophilia story is beyond unacceptable here. Don’t even attempt to post one.
Evidence suggests Laurel is firm, but reasonably even-handed, in implementing her interpretation of her "18" rule. If you're here because the story was rejected, you probably weren't singled out and you're definitely not alone. Rewrite your story until it passes muster. Or take it to a site without such rules. Those are your only options.
Because the interpretation of the rule is (apparently) intended to eliminate stories that lead people to imagine sex with underaged characters, it’s important to write carefully in certain settings:
1. Characters in High school. Some authors here feel strongly that any mention of high school is an attempt to imply to the readership that your "18 year old" is really younger, in short that you're speaking in a kind of code and attempting to get people to think about underage characters. Laurel may or may not agree. Be careful to be very clear about ages in these stories. Some high school seniors are 18 by graduation. Leave those sophomores alone.
2. Characters described as having physical characteristics that sound more like 14 than 18. Slight breasts on someone just turned 18, a beard just starting to come in, excessively juvenile behavior - all these are going to look to many people like you're attempting to sneak an underage character in, and are very likely to get a story rejected.
3. Historical setting for stories. Romeo and Juliet is probably not what you'd consider racy filth; but Juliet lost her virginity at fourteen. That story would certainly be rejected here. It has a fine moral message, it was startling but not shocking when it was written, and it's clearly a well crafted story, but none of that matters.
4. Incest stories. In the real world, incest is almost always tied to underage sexuality and is abusive by definition. Despite the fact that the site has an Incest category, stories in that category should never depict incest as it most commonly occurs in the real world. It's largely a fantasy category.
5. Fantasy stories. The story “The Time Machine” by H. G. Wells had Eloi, a race of innocents, who would probably cause the story to be rejected here. I had a story about a 6,000 year old succubus (i.e., not underage and not human) rejected because in human form, she didn’t sound convincingly 18 to Laurel. Don’t assume you’re on safe ground with human-like species or alien cultures. When in doubt, check with Laurel first.
6. First time stories. Statistically speaking, in the US at least, you probably lost your virginity at an age younger than 18. (That is, just over 50% of men and women in the US who are sexually active, lost their virginity at 17 or earlier, as of 2010). If you write your first time account here, you must write it so all characters involved are past their 18th birthday.
Please note that occasionally an underage story gets past Laurel, and gets posted. If you see one, report it using the [!] reporting mechanism at the bottom of most pages. Finding such stories doesn't give you permission to write under 18. It gives you an obligation to report it, so people don't get confused about the rules.
Yes, there are a few people here who think the "18" rule is unnecessary. But that doesn't matter. Authors do not make the rules here; even if they did, not everyone wants it changed. We can't help you convince Laurel that the rule is wrong. We know better than to even bring it up, so please don't waste time agitating for change. It's not happening.
Good luck, and welcome to Literotica.
One of the biggest surprises people get on coming here as a writer, is the "18" rule. As the rule is written, no character in a story can be under 18 if they are exposed to sexual situations of any sort.
You are not the first person to ask about this rule. You probably aren't the first person in the last 30 days, which is why some replies you get from other authors may seem grumpy. We see these questions a lot.
The 18 rule, like everything else here, is interpreted and applied by Laurel, and she takes a conservative stance with this one - if she thinks a story is going to encourage people to think about sex with people under 18, she'll generally reject it. That means that it's not enough to state your character is 18. He or she has to act 18+ as well. In Laurel's opinion, not yours.
Note that this rule isn't in place because of any existing laws. (There are few if any countries where a written story describing sex between seventeen years olds is illegal.) The argument "but the law says it's legal!" is meaningless here. This is Laurel's site, it’s her personal property, and she's not required to accept stories just because the law doesn't forbid them. This is not a free speech issue because private properties (like Literotica) are not required to allow anyone’s free speech laws. (The internet in general is not a haven for free speech - someone owns those servers you are using, whatever site you go to, and that gives them the right to filter content they don't like. The rules are just more pronounced here than you may be used to.)
Note that the rule has nothing to do with pedophilia. Pedophilia is an interest in pre-pubescent children, formally defined as age 12 and younger. The under 18 rule is in response to different concerns - but it should be trivially apparent that an actual pedophilia story is beyond unacceptable here. Don’t even attempt to post one.
Evidence suggests Laurel is firm, but reasonably even-handed, in implementing her interpretation of her "18" rule. If you're here because the story was rejected, you probably weren't singled out and you're definitely not alone. Rewrite your story until it passes muster. Or take it to a site without such rules. Those are your only options.
Because the interpretation of the rule is (apparently) intended to eliminate stories that lead people to imagine sex with underaged characters, it’s important to write carefully in certain settings:
1. Characters in High school. Some authors here feel strongly that any mention of high school is an attempt to imply to the readership that your "18 year old" is really younger, in short that you're speaking in a kind of code and attempting to get people to think about underage characters. Laurel may or may not agree. Be careful to be very clear about ages in these stories. Some high school seniors are 18 by graduation. Leave those sophomores alone.
2. Characters described as having physical characteristics that sound more like 14 than 18. Slight breasts on someone just turned 18, a beard just starting to come in, excessively juvenile behavior - all these are going to look to many people like you're attempting to sneak an underage character in, and are very likely to get a story rejected.
3. Historical setting for stories. Romeo and Juliet is probably not what you'd consider racy filth; but Juliet lost her virginity at fourteen. That story would certainly be rejected here. It has a fine moral message, it was startling but not shocking when it was written, and it's clearly a well crafted story, but none of that matters.
4. Incest stories. In the real world, incest is almost always tied to underage sexuality and is abusive by definition. Despite the fact that the site has an Incest category, stories in that category should never depict incest as it most commonly occurs in the real world. It's largely a fantasy category.
5. Fantasy stories. The story “The Time Machine” by H. G. Wells had Eloi, a race of innocents, who would probably cause the story to be rejected here. I had a story about a 6,000 year old succubus (i.e., not underage and not human) rejected because in human form, she didn’t sound convincingly 18 to Laurel. Don’t assume you’re on safe ground with human-like species or alien cultures. When in doubt, check with Laurel first.
6. First time stories. Statistically speaking, in the US at least, you probably lost your virginity at an age younger than 18. (That is, just over 50% of men and women in the US who are sexually active, lost their virginity at 17 or earlier, as of 2010). If you write your first time account here, you must write it so all characters involved are past their 18th birthday.
Please note that occasionally an underage story gets past Laurel, and gets posted. If you see one, report it using the [!] reporting mechanism at the bottom of most pages. Finding such stories doesn't give you permission to write under 18. It gives you an obligation to report it, so people don't get confused about the rules.
Yes, there are a few people here who think the "18" rule is unnecessary. But that doesn't matter. Authors do not make the rules here; even if they did, not everyone wants it changed. We can't help you convince Laurel that the rule is wrong. We know better than to even bring it up, so please don't waste time agitating for change. It's not happening.
Good luck, and welcome to Literotica.
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Beating a dead horse here. This site has an underage rule. Everyone wants to bend it to suit their needs. Is there not another site for sick minds to post the shit on?Kant
Sick shit can be posted over at ASSTR org where there is no one to say what can and can't be posted. Free range sickness abounds there.
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Its all sick shit.
OmnislashXX
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The under 18 rule is kinda ludicrous though, considering what other kinds of things people can dream up. I think it hinders creativity more then it helps, but I suppose people already know that opinion.
Anyone ever check out the under the tables panty scene in an Italian movie called Maliza? The boy is underage, but it's a very hot as hell scene.
Now try writing it out here.
Anyone ever check out the under the tables panty scene in an Italian movie called Maliza? The boy is underage, but it's a very hot as hell scene.
Now try writing it out here.
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Was it rejected for underage? A reason is given when a story is rejected. Did you add it in non-erotic? Maybe since it didn't have sex, it couldn't be approved with another category, such as fetish
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Laurel can change the age limit to 25 if she wishes. We too had to rewrite and skip many important story chapters because of age restrictions. It's no big deal.
Cheat and make the characters grown up or just skip those stories.
It wasn't all sexual. My wife was abused by her older brothers for as long as she can remember. She had her pig tails cut off with an axe on the chicken chopping block, she was branded on her arms with a rod, and had BB's shot up her pussy at a very early age. Those are but a few non sexual things that caused her to be the way she was for years. The stories after that didn't need those facts and more.
Cheat and make the characters grown up or just skip those stories.
It wasn't all sexual. My wife was abused by her older brothers for as long as she can remember. She had her pig tails cut off with an axe on the chicken chopping block, she was branded on her arms with a rod, and had BB's shot up her pussy at a very early age. Those are but a few non sexual things that caused her to be the way she was for years. The stories after that didn't need those facts and more.
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Please see Handsinthedark's well written post........ Kicking a dead horse yet again......... what any writer here feels just doesn't matter.
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And you're kinda not getting that whether it is or isn't ridiculous, it's not negotiable, and not discussed here ad nauseam for that very reason. You're not getting it despite having all that clearly laid out in detail. So welcome to the ignore list.
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I don't really think anyone gets it. Everyone talks about how Laurel feels about the subject matter. Because Laurel is the one who created Literotica so Laurel gets to make the sole decision on what gets posted on here. And even though Laurel is the creator of Literotica..
Literotica is larger then Laurel is. It's not about Laurel at all. It's about the authors who come here to post stories that they have written online for others to enjoy. This is a website devoted to plot lines that can revolve around some pretty weird stuff. Literotica' rule pretty much shuts down multiple writers and authors because it's left up to the strict interpretation of one person.
Regardless if you agree with me or not, or choose to ignore me or not, I'm pretty much laying out the reason why this will be a continued subject matter. Just because we respect the rules set forth by Literotica doesn't mean we have to agree with them.
Literotica is larger then Laurel is. It's not about Laurel at all. It's about the authors who come here to post stories that they have written online for others to enjoy. This is a website devoted to plot lines that can revolve around some pretty weird stuff. Literotica' rule pretty much shuts down multiple writers and authors because it's left up to the strict interpretation of one person.
Regardless if you agree with me or not, or choose to ignore me or not, I'm pretty much laying out the reason why this will be a continued subject matter. Just because we respect the rules set forth by Literotica doesn't mean we have to agree with them.
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OmnislashXX, are you a pedo?
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First of all, who is this "we?" You make it sound like there's a downtrodden faction having the Man's boot stuffed in their mouths.
As I tried to explain to you in an earlier thread, there are tens of thousands of people who have gotten stories about 18-year-olds through with no hassle at all. If Laurel were really that strict and vague, the number of accepted submissions would not be as high as it is. I don't think this a widespread issue affecting too many authors here. The problem, then, must be with you.
People who get rejected over Rule One are trying to bend or break the rules. Period. I don't know Laurel, have never met her or had a conversation with her. What I do know is that she has been doing this a long time, and eventually one picks up on every trick people come up with to sneak by the last gate.
Getting accepted is not a Mensa puzzle. It is about common sense.
I have submitted 12 stories to Literotica since I discovered the site. 12 of them have been accepted. In "Summer's Warmth: A Winter Reunion," my main character Leon had a two-year-old daughter who appeared in the non-sex scenes. The story got accepted. If Laurel had sent me a rejection slip back and said Kara had to leave the picture, guess what? I would have happily sent Kara to grandma's house for all six pages. Kara is part of Leon's life. She figures into the backstory. But taking her physically away from the narrative would not have been the piece that collapsed my Jenga puzzle.
My point is that I have never, not once, not ever, felt like my creativity was being stifled or that my ability to express myself was limited by the rule. So, again, I will reiterate: the problem is you. Not Laurel, not the rule. You.
Also, it sounds like you need an education on the webmaster/user hierarchy because this is the kinda talk that will get a person banhammered for trying to play hardball.
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You don't have to agree to pay taxes. You don't have to agree to the rules of the road and other laws for driving.
You don't have to agree with the laws or anything. But in the end if you don't agree you will pay the price.
If this were my forum I'd have rules and you'd agree or GTF out!
Most of us disagree with some of the rules here but we enjoy the site and live by the rules.
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It would help if you and others would just stop too. You seem to be egging the issue on.
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Quick anecdote while my blood pressure is still high from responding to you. This morning I dusted off a story out of my development hell folder and started working on it again. It's a comical erotic farce intended for the Humor & Satire category if it ever gets finished, and, you know, if it's actually funny and belongs there.
Anyway, one of my establishment/throwaway gag lines was having an omnipotent entity explain that the main heroine (an incoming college freshman) turned eighteen "exactly twelve and a half hours ago."
I thought the line was funny when I wrote it several months ago. Today I looked at it and decided to change "twelve and half hours ago" to a "week ago." It wasn't that funny to begin with, number one. Number two, that would mean the story was still taking place on her birthday, I guess, and I didn't feel like doing anything with that. But number three, most importantly, I wanted to stay on the safe side of the ice.
That change I made? It's not going to affect the plot, or the character, one goddamned bit.
Any story can be modified, trimmed or rearranged if an editor, publisher, or in this case Laurel calls for it. You talk as if your entire narrative structure is resting on these very important pillars that absolutely cannot be moved lest your entire house crumbles to rubble. But the pillars are never important. They CAN be moved. You just have to have the resolve and the discipline to do it.
Anyway, one of my establishment/throwaway gag lines was having an omnipotent entity explain that the main heroine (an incoming college freshman) turned eighteen "exactly twelve and a half hours ago."
I thought the line was funny when I wrote it several months ago. Today I looked at it and decided to change "twelve and half hours ago" to a "week ago." It wasn't that funny to begin with, number one. Number two, that would mean the story was still taking place on her birthday, I guess, and I didn't feel like doing anything with that. But number three, most importantly, I wanted to stay on the safe side of the ice.
That change I made? It's not going to affect the plot, or the character, one goddamned bit.
Any story can be modified, trimmed or rearranged if an editor, publisher, or in this case Laurel calls for it. You talk as if your entire narrative structure is resting on these very important pillars that absolutely cannot be moved lest your entire house crumbles to rubble. But the pillars are never important. They CAN be moved. You just have to have the resolve and the discipline to do it.
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*BZZZZZZZZ* Wrong answer Slashy. This site is ENTIRELY about Laurel. No Laurel, no Lit. She chooses to shut it down it is gone. Then what? Those that can work with her rules lose out because of asses like you who think otherwise. Shut the fuck up and play within the rules.........
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Its just you. No rules mean anarchy. There is a reason that when someone looks for quality erotic writing, they come here.
The one thing you have said that I agree with. It is an institution of sorts. Laurel is its protector. One way to protect it is to keep stories about underage sex off. It invites the wrong crowd.
Or you could look at it as she is challenging them to write a better quality story.
I'm not seeing a lot of respect here.
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God are you dumb. Laurel and her significant other, Manu, own Literotica. They could decide to shitcan the whole thing tomorrow and there would be nothing you or anyone else could do about it.
So just admit you're a pedo and go to a site where they allow your kind to post sick shit.
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Lol..
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Give ear and pay attention, pal, cos' this is a rough distillation of the last 10 years membership.
1] The Law is subtly different in places, particularly outside the USA.
It would therefore be (theoretically) possible to engage a couple of 16-year olds rutting like rabbits; if, that is, you were in the UK, where 16 is (or was, the last time I looked) the legal age for sex (that 13-yeard old girls have been reported as being mothers is immaterial).
But the site is the in USA, and, as I understand it, different states have slightly different rules.
So, to prevent some 'irritation' buffoon deciding to take some action against the Lit management, the age bar has been set, very clearly, at eighteen (18) .
This prevents a group of idiots protesting (rather in the same way as Westboro, but more financially-minded)
2] The fact that Laurel lets us play in her yard does not obscure the fact that her rule is Law. The Rules are the entrance fee, and we pay it willingly, because we like the site.
There is a means of work being written by multiple authors. But ALL the authors are aware of the 18 rule (and the other rules).
After all, a line has to be drawn somewhere.
3] As to your agreement or not, the fact remains that there are Rules and we who write must abide by them. If you don't like the Rules, go find somewhere where the literacy is a little thin, plagiarism is rife, and so on.
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It's not an issue, I did change the story characters. I just thought it was odd considering some of the crazy crap I have read here. But yea, I get it that the 16 year old is under-age. But it's the internet. And there was no sex with the minor. He was playing with my wife's feet under the table. That's the extent of the story. It didn't seem unlawful when I wrote it, or I wouldn't have. I don't get what all the Pedophile talk is all about. I think the incest allowed here is horrible. But that's just me. The 16 year old boy was a podophile or a foot partialist.
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