Teachers fail simple spelling test!

[4est_4est_Gump]

Show me 1 teacher in any US public school teacher who did not earn their job by merit.

Different measure.

If you are the best of the mediocre, then that is a lesser meritocracy for sure.

It is very much like comparing the best welder at the VoTech to the Valedictorian who graduates with full scholarship to an Ivy.

The REAL meritocracy was those of us who gravitated towards the sciences and math, your engineers, architects, researchers, etc.

I understand why those of you connected with the teaching profession howl every time this subject is broached for you tend to take it personally, see my original remarks.



In strategy, it is important to keep a near view of distanced things and a distanced view of near things.
Miyamoto Musashi

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

One of the biggest complaints from teachers that I've heard is essentially that, merit is not rewarded. Teaching is a dead-end job. Promotion takes you out of the classroom and into administrative duty. You're thrown into the fire on your first day and expected to behave like a seasoned pro. In your EDF classes you're spoonfed Piagetian psychobabble- and that man was a moron who did his "experiments" on his own three kids and knew far more about lichen then he ever did about humans. You go into it doing that job, and you retire doing that job. If you're good, then you don't get a better teaching job, you move to administration. They just don't have the same promotion-based system as other careers.

The best that you can hope for is a better school. Teachers salaries are based primarilly upon the property values of the homes surrounding them (schools are paid via property taxes in local districts) so if you're good, you can hope to get hired in a rich school. That means that the poor kids, the kids who are more often at risk and who need better teachers, get the shittiest teachers, because merit means that you moved to a better neighborhood where you're paid better.

The entire system sucks.

Yes, for every positive discrimination, there is a feeling of negative discrimination for the "meritorious" as defined by the Sgt. therefore there is evolved a whole industry that strives to portray teachers as almost nearly interchangeable beings of equal talent, ability, training and desire in order to forward the myth of overwhelming confidence guaranteed by the Education campus...



Better schools neither are to be tolerated for some child, assumed to be a minority at all times, might get left behind in a "bad" school so the only way, as it is with most progressive ideas, to prevent the bad is to retard the good and achieve a measurable equality.

 

[CandiCame]

Yes, for every positive discrimination, there is a feeling of negative discrimination for the "meritorious" as defined by the Sgt. therefore there is evolved a whole industry that strives to portray teachers as almost nearly interchangeable beings of equal talent, ability, training and desire in order to forward the myth of overwhelming confidence guaranteed by the Education campus...



Better schools neither are to be tolerated for some child, assumed to be a minority at all times, might get left behind in a "bad" school so the only way, as it is with most progressive ideas, to prevent the bad is to retard the good and achieve a measurable equality.

Or you know, come up with a federal pay scale since it's a government job. 6 of one, I guess.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Or you know, come up with a federal pay scale since it's a government job. 6 of one, I guess.

Yes, government oversight at the National level has produced such grand result...




One of the things I might perhaps surmise is that with less government bondage might come a willingness on the part of the meritorious to, at the end of their careers, return to the lower institutions of learning as guides and mentors replacing some of the blind sherpas who have yet to reach a summit, any summit...

 

[CandiCame]

Yes, government oversight at the National level has produced such grand result...




One of the things I might perhaps surmise is that with less government bondage might come a willingness on the part of the meritorious to, at the end of their careers, return to the lower institutions of learning as guides and mentors replacing some of the blind sherpas who have yet to reach a summit, any summit...

If we lived in a meritocracy that might work. But this is America and we are Capitalists. We are living in a material world, and I am a material girl... boy... employee. Yes. We are living in a material world, and we are material employees.

So in the really real world... this would never work because teachers are already paid SHIT and they would get paid less because the property taxes around shitty schools are lower. If there was a federal standard of pay where you were paid more for working harder (AKA teaching children who are more 'at risk' and therefore more difficult to teach) we'd see a big improvement. Such a plan has been proposed, but it's been shot down every time because people kept saying that it made rich folks pay to educate poor folks kids.

Clinton actually had a similar standard where he would pay teachers more to work in low-income areas but Bush cut that all to hell (around the time our school system went right to shit) because even though it was working, the administration felt that it was rewarding districts for performing poorly by paying them more. I'm not sure how anyone could have read the plan and/or stats and come up with that idea, but that's when we went with the current system, which has performed worse then that one by a long shot.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Capitalism is pure meritocracy.

In college, I actually went over the various Clinton Papers and proposals for Education to do a paper in some bullshit language class.

Paying teachers more cannot and will not raise those bound by culture unless that teacher is truly someone they want to emulate. If that teacher is a person from a class that their culture tells them to distrust on every level, then they will not find reason to adapt a new mind-set.

That is another problem with progressive ideas, they are focused on money, not Capital.

Capital is more than money; it is ideas, risk, sweat-equity...,

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Different measure.

If you are the best of the mediocre, then that is a lesser meritocracy for sure.

It is very much like comparing the best welder at the VoTech to the Valedictorian who graduates with full scholarship to an Ivy.

The REAL meritocracy was those of us who gravitated towards the sciences and math, your engineers, architects, researchers, etc.

I understand why those of you connected with the teaching profession howl every time this subject is broached for you tend to take it personally, see my original remarks.



In strategy, it is important to keep a near view of distanced things and a distanced view of near things.
Miyamoto Musashi

When I was unleashed to practice psychotherapy my first rude awakening was the discovery that 99.99% of my patients werent interested in well-being, what they wanted was more bakers grease to help them stuff their lard-ass realities into their size 4 dreams.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

When I was unleashed to practice psychotherapy my first rude awakening was the discovery that 99.99% of my patients werent interested in well-being, what they wanted was more bakers grease to help them stuff their lard-ass realities into their size 4 dreams.

Well, if nothing else, that is a real interesting sentence...


Then again, so is, "This court sentences you to 30 consecutive life terms."

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Well, if nothing else, that is a real interesting sentence...


Then again, so is, "This court sentences you to 30 consecutive life terms."

Its the human condition metaphorized for your safety and convenience, please step back from the door and an associate will be with you shortly.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

... sellin' soldiers in a human grocery store...

Ain't that fresh.



Thank you for shopping Wal☆School.

 

[trysail]

An examination of 460 currently employed teachers, ranging in age from newly qualified early 20's to late 30's experienced teachers, found that 74% failed a simple spelling test with words like convenient, subpoena, and consistant.
How the hell are our kids supposed to learn when the teachers themselves can't do it?

con·sist·ent
   [kuhn-sis-tuhnt] adjective
1. agreeing or accordant; compatible; not self-contradictory: His views and actions are consistent.

2. constantly adhering to the same principles, course, form, etc.: a consistent opponent.

3. holding firmly together; cohering.

4. Archaic . fixed; firm.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consistent

 

[SalviaDivinorum]

I'd add to this that a wise man once told me "those that can do, do. Those that can't, teach."

"He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches." That's from 'Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"' by George Bernard Shaw and is not a comment on teachers but on revolutionaries.
It seems to me that there are good and bad in every profession and teachers are not an exception. But having said that, a good teacher is surely worth his or her weight in gold.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

"He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches." That's from 'Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"' by George Bernard Shaw and is not a comment on teachers but on revolutionaries.
It seems to me that there are good and bad in every profession and teachers are not an exception. But having said that, a good teacher is surely worth his or her weight in gold.

Anyone able to transfer what they know to you is rare. I recently installed a new screen door, and the directions were a cluster fuck. I imagine this is common cuz the draftsman isnt the installer, and depends on notes made by an installer, to make instructions.

I wonder if GBS's remark isnt more a statement of fact rather than a statement of contempt for teachers. The best teachers also have day jobs doing what they teach.

 

[CandiCame]

Anyone able to transfer what they know to you is rare. I recently installed a new screen door, and the directions were a cluster fuck. I imagine this is common cuz the draftsman isnt the installer, and depends on notes made by an installer, to make instructions.

I wonder if GBS's remark isnt more a statement of fact rather than a statement of contempt for teachers. The best teachers also have day jobs doing what they teach.

...it is really fucking easy to install a screen door...

 

[Lorilei]

An examination of 460 currently employed teachers, ranging in age from newly qualified early 20's to late 30's experienced teachers, found that 74% failed a simple spelling test with words like convenient, subpoena, and consistant.
How the hell are our kids supposed to learn when the teachers themselves can't do it?

"Consistent".

 

[koalabear]

Show me 1 teacher in any US public school teacher who did not earn their job by merit.

any new hire.

 

[chillywilly2]

All of you people that rely on spell check, please just learn to spell.

A teacher doesn't teach you to spell, they teach you to learn to spell.

What you get out of it is directly proportional to the effort you decide to put into it.

Its so easy to blame a teacher when you or your kid is too lazy to learn.

Please get off your ass and be responsible for yourselves.

 

[chillywilly2]

"Consistent".

Trysail beat you to it

 

[CandiCame]

All of you people that rely on spell check, please just learn to spell.

A teacher doesn't teach you to spell, they teach you to learn to spell.

What you get out of it is directly proportional to the effort you decide to put into it.

Its so easy to blame a teacher when you or your kid is too lazy to learn.

Please get off your ass and be responsible for yourselves.

Hey i strait up said it was my fault.

I also said I don't care.

It's not an important life skill and teachers- or anyone else- shouldn't be penalized for not having it.

 

[Lorilei]

Trysail beat you to it

I didn't see his post, but I'm glad someone did! I was beginning to worry about you people.

 

[chillywilly2]

I didn't bother coming in here right away because I knew it was just another teacher trashing thread.

And you are correct to be worried about these people, very worried.

 

[chillywilly2]

Hey i strait up said it was my fault.

I also said I don't care.

It's not an important life skill and teachers- or anyone else- shouldn't be penalized for not having it.

Guaranteed the test is, or the results are, skewed.

I would almost bet that the people marking the test are wrong.

If you don't need to know how to spell in your life, thats fine with me.

 

[warrior queen]

I didn't bother coming in here right away because I knew it was just another teacher trashing thread.

And you are correct to be worried about these people, very worried.

Actually, I wasn't aiming to bash teachers.
I was thinking the fault lies with the system that educates people to become teachers!
Why would you be able graduate when you can't spell well enough?

Isn't spelling and grammar the very basic skill needed in order to effectively convey your learning, whichever field (math, science, language, etc?)

 

[warrior queen]

Trysail beat you to it

Those are my jinx words - consistent, dependent, etc.

 

[fuckwaffle]

Show me 1 teacher in any US public school teacher who did not earn their job by merit.

Your mom, cause she sure didn't teach you anything.