Tatoos

[MrsBambi]

My question is simple, altho a lot of thought has gone into it... can anyone find (send me) the chinese/asian character for submissive? or slave? i wnat to work it into a tatoo design as a gift for my Sir. but I've been unsucessful at finding the specific charecter i need. The closest i've found is "maid"... which is'nt right.... Hepl anyone?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Take it for what it's worth

Slave

Click me.

http://www.chinaology.com/images/characters/slave.gif

Click me.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2005/08/25/20050824203314.jpeg

Submissive

Click me.

http://z.about.com/d/chineseculture/1/0/G/P/submissive.gif

 

[Chicklet]

just be careful when you get symbols tattooed onto yourself - different combinations turn out to mean different things. you don't want to combine anything that ends up with a meaning you didn't intend. most responsible tattoo artists should be able to help you make sure you're on the right track.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

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I think this cartoon conveys the apparent perils 'sometimes' with translations and intent . Japanese Kanji seems to be the most reliable. I don't have tattoo's but having studied Bonsai ( yes little trees ) for several years part of the course in appreciating that the art orginated in China then was largely adopted by the Japanese. Having very many distinct styles of tree structure there also come the hazard of correct understanding of the calligraphy associated. Wise to have started at least some fact finding on your own.

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This is Kanji symbol for "slave" ( dorei ) as I have on file.

dorei - literally , "slave". It has been put forth that rope captives are called "dorei", (denoting slave) this is too strong of a term for most in Japan. "Dorei" comes from a Greek word to denote ancient eastern European slavery. Slave play in Japan is actually very rare, and is actually to harsh a term for most "rope submissives" to be comfortable with. Dorei no jotai - condition of being a slave.

I honestly think take ALL the information presented on this thread and cross reference until you find a common denominator. If it was me however I would find a high profile group / organisation that is involved in Shibari /Kinbaku where you have a distinct meld of Asian culture/history and an understanding of the various meanings we convey in labels such as submissive and slave.

 

[SubNebGuy]

best thing, is just confirm from MULTIPLE sources, including a public library, that the kanji (or whatever symbol) really means what it means.

this 'scare' all stems from a few tattoo artists who purposely misled customers...thinking it funny that the rich chicky wanting 'princess' would find 'slut' more suitable.

one artist was only about 18-24 months ago. they ended up charging him with mutilation charges...4-5 years in prison.

inside, he continued his art, illegally...but still telling them false meanings. they ended up putting him in solitary for the rest of his sentence because they kenw the inked inmates would seek retribution, via murder.

 

[leeroy jenkins]

After you get it maybe post the pic on my tattoo thread??

 

[Etoile]

I suggest reading www.hanzismatter.com before getting Chinese characters tattooed. You could probably ask the guy who writes that site what the appropriate character(s) would be. Although if you don't care what language it is, you could go for Japanese too, that should be easier to find.

 

[ammre]

are you of that culture? do you read, write, or speak the language? do you know their customs? is the tattoo symbolic of someone from that culture? Do you feel a speical connection to the culture specifically? Do you understand that connotation and opinions that culture has of the word you are choosing?

If you answered yes to any of those questions then you have my blessings... if you could not answer yes to those questions then might i suggest comming up with your own symbol representitive of your feelings?

personally kanji on people who can't answer yes to those questions drives me nuts. Why would you want something so foreign on your body? I know it's easier then english becasue instead of multiple characters it's one symbol, but can't a new symbol be created to suit your needs? A tattoo artist is called an artist becasue they can draw too... maybe a link of a chain with a bit of vine growing on it or something obscure but pertinent... something that more directly resembles YOU.


but if it's what you really want... then i hope you are happy.

 

[O'Mac]

are you of that culture? do you read, write, or speak the language? do you know their customs? is the tattoo symbolic of someone from that culture? Do you feel a speical connection to the culture specifically? Do you understand that connotation and opinions that culture has of the word you are choosing?

If you answered yes to any of those questions then you have my blessings... if you could not answer yes to those questions then might i suggest comming up with your own symbol representitive of your feelings?

personally kanji on people who can't answer yes to those questions drives me nuts. Why would you want something so foreign on your body? I know it's easier then english becasue instead of multiple characters it's one symbol, but can't a new symbol be created to suit your needs? A tattoo artist is called an artist becasue they can draw too... maybe a link of a chain with a bit of vine growing on it or something obscure but pertinent... something that more directly resembles YOU.


but if it's what you really want... then i hope you are happy.

I thought I was the only one who thought that way. Honestly, how "symbolic" is a tattoo going to be if it's in a language you don't understand or with a meaning that you can't comprehend? Personally, I love the stories of tattoo artists putting "Asshole" in Chinese or something on someone's arm. Really shows how much people place style over substance.

 

[Etoile]

are you of that culture? do you read, write, or speak the language? do you know their customs? is the tattoo symbolic of someone from that culture? Do you feel a speical connection to the culture specifically? Do you understand that connotation and opinions that culture has of the word you are choosing?

If you answered yes to any of those questions then you have my blessings... if you could not answer yes to those questions then might i suggest comming up with your own symbol representitive of your feelings?

personally kanji on people who can't answer yes to those questions drives me nuts. Why would you want something so foreign on your body? I know it's easier then english becasue instead of multiple characters it's one symbol, but can't a new symbol be created to suit your needs? A tattoo artist is called an artist becasue they can draw too... maybe a link of a chain with a bit of vine growing on it or something obscure but pertinent... something that more directly resembles YOU.


but if it's what you really want... then i hope you are happy.

ammre, you said what I was too chicken to say. I agree with you wholeheartedly.