Tarzan

[sweetnpetite]

I just watched Disney's Tarzan.

I would say that this is definatly a movie for adults. Seeing a man accidentally hang himself is pretty hard to take, even for a grown woman such as myself. They didn't directly show it, but made it quite clear, including a flickering image of the shadow in the background. Emotionally the movie had quite a punch as well.

There was nothing else really objectioanble, but I really feel that it is suited to an adult audience.

It was rated G! I was suprised because even most disney films are PG anymore. I think that Tarzan should have been *at least* PG-13. It was a great movie, but just not a kids movie despite being animated.

The music was glorious, but also very grown up.

Anyone else seen it?

 

[Weird Harold]

I just watched Disney's Tarzan.

I would say that this is definatly a movie for adults. Seeing a man accidentally hang himself is pretty hard to take, even for a grown woman such as myself. ...

Anyone else seen it?

I've seen it several times and watched many episodes of the animated TV series based on it. I don't see anything particulary objectionable about any of the violence in either the movie or the series.

I've watched it with my daughter and granddaughters (ages 7 and 10) and none of them found it objectionable in any way either.

 

[Guest]

kinda off topic.
no i havent watched tarzan yet...the youngest hasnt expressed an interest...

howevah...have you seen shrekII? i love how there is a slight bdsm slant to once scene...kyle, the fairy godmothers slave...yum! deff. some adult humor tossed in there...
a question about this dvd though... if you had seen this in the theaters, you would have seen the dragon and the donkey at the end with baby dragon/donkies...i dont see it at the end of the dvd version...what am i missing??? or am i remembering shrekI

 

[impressive]

The one with the Phil Collins soundtrack? Or is there a new one? I don't remember the hanging scene at all. Loved the music (*singing* You'll be in my heart ...)

Can't wait to see Shrek II. I ordered several new DVDs for the kids for Christmas -- and that's one of 'em.

(For me, I ordered Bull Durham -- since I wore out the VHS -- and Dangerous Liaisons and Cinderella -- the live action Disney one from the late 90s)

 

[Lisa Denton]

kinda off topic.
no i havent watched tarzan yet...the youngest hasnt expressed an interest...

howevah...have you seen shrekII? i love how there is a slight bdsm slant to once scene...kyle, the fairy godmothers slave...yum! deff. some adult humor tossed in there...
a question about this dvd though... if you had seen this in the theaters, you would have seen the dragon and the donkey at the end with baby dragon/donkies...i dont see it at the end of the dvd version...what am i missing??? or am i remembering shrekI

I think the baby dragon/donkey sex scene was in that movie I sent you, maybe your getting them mixed up again.

 

[Guest]

I think the baby dragon/donkey sex scene was in that movie I sent you, maybe your getting them mixed up again.

well, being blonde, that very well could be.
btw, loved the flick you sent, sexy...*nnneeeiiiggghhhhh*

 

[SensualCealy]

Vella, it's in both, the only thing you get on the new DVD is the American Idol ending. That's how far ours goes.

I agree that alot of the newer disney stuff has alot of adult content in them, usually not picked up by kids. Either sayings go over their heads or they just don't get it.

In my opinion, they have to put some stuff in there to get the adults to stay at the theatres with their kids, buy popcorn and pop for $100 a movie. This I think is how they keep the theatres alive!

One of my favorite movies is Ice Age, alot of adult situations in this movie but the kids never stop laughing, well accept when the cat's steal the baby and the mother drownds. It quickly comes back to the funny stuff again.

If anything it gets the kids talking afterwards and you can explain to them what happened in your own words to the degree you see fit.

Anyone checked out the new one, the Polar Express (not sure if its disney or not)

C

 

[sweetnpetite]

Re: Re: Tarzan

I've seen it several times and watched many episodes of the animated TV series based on it. I don't see anything particulary objectionable about any of the violence in either the movie or the series.

I've watched it with my daughter and granddaughters (ages 7 and 10) and none of them found it objectionable in any way either.

I don't think that it was necessarily objectionable (accept the hanging scene) I just think that overall this is a very adult movie. The music is understated and by Phil Collins. (who I love) I don't have a problem with kids seeing it, or other adult movies of good quality such as this. I know that a lot of cartoons are made now to hold the adults interest as well as the child, but this one just had a very adult feel to me overall. It was more of an adult movie that was made to hold kids attention.

I'm not sure I agree with a rating system that says a movie has to have something objectionable to be consdered 'adult.' I guess I'm just having a hard time comunicating what I really mean.

 

[gauchecritic]

Well I say forget the movies, all of them. Buy the books, totally unlike any of the films (except for one TV cartoon series which included the talking apes). Very easy to read and very entertaining.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

I just watched Disney's Tarzan.... Seeing a man accidentally hang himself is pretty hard to take...

I saw Tarzan and was not struck by any excesssive violence.

Kids are more durable than you might think, and death has been a constant theme from Disney, as well as other sources.

In fairy tales, witches were always threatening Princesses and their consort Princes with horrible fates. All of Hansel & Gretel was imprisonment, a threat of cannibalism, and eventual burning alive of the witch.

From the turn of the century onward, how many children’s story heros begin by losing one of both of their parents?

From Disney — Snow White suffers a deathlike trance, and her Prince kills the Wicked Witch (turned into a Dragon) in the final scene. Bambi’s mother was shot, Old Yellar had to be put down, and even in such an innocuous film as Lady and The Tramp, they had a musical number just before we see Nutsey’s shadow as he was taken away on his death walk to the gas chamber.

Let me reiterate, children are more durable than you might think. That and they are doubly insulated from death, first by not fully understanding the concept, and secondly by not applying the concept to themselves.

Like the boy in Summer of ‘42" who couldn’t believe his parents did IT, when he read a medical text about sex.

By the way: If you buy the original book of Tarzan you will run into an even bigger taboo for children's stories --- nudity. Only a literary, rather than graphic depiction, but there, none-the-less.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

I saw Tarzan and was not struck by any excesssive violence.

Kids are more durable than you might think, and death has been a constant theme from Disney, as well as other sources.

In fairy tales, witches were always threatening Princesses and their consort Princes with horrible fates. All of Hansel & Gretel was imprisonment, a threat of cannibalism, and eventual burning alive of the witch.

From the turn of the century onward, how many children’s story heros begin by losing one of both of their parents?

From Disney — Snow White suffers a deathlike trance, and her Prince kills the Wicked Witch (turned into a Dragon) in the final scene. Bambi’s mother was shot, Old Yellar had to be put down, and even in such an innocuous film as Lady and The Tramp, they had a musical number just before we see Nutsey’s shadow as he was taken away on his death walk to the gas chamber.

Let me reiterate, children are more durable than you might think. That and they are doubly insulated from death, first by not fully understanding the concept, and secondly by not applying the concept to themselves.

Like the boy in Summer of ‘42" who couldn’t believe his parents did IT, when he read a medical text about sex.

By the way: If you buy the original book of Tarzan you will run into an even bigger taboo for children's stories --- nudity. Only a literary, rather than graphic depiction, but there, none-the-less.

None of that is so shocking as what most fairy tales started as. The true original tale of Red Riding Hood or Heracles (Hercules in Roman) you wouldn't hand to a children under any circumstances. ("Slut, to drink of your kin's blood and eat of her flesh")

Personally I plan to start off my children on Full Metal Jacket and Jacob's Ladder. They didn't need that pesky innocence anyways.

 

[sweetnpetite]

I saw Tarzan and was not struck by any excesssive violence.

Kids are more durable than you might think, and death has been a constant theme from Disney, as well as other sources.

Oh I don't doubt that they can handle it. Kids can handle lots of things that happen in PG and even R rated movies. But they still don't rate them as G.

I know that movie studios want the lowest rating possible, because theoreticly it gives them a wider audience. However, a lot of people who don't have kids would never go see a movie rated G. I think the G movie likely unfairly labled it a 'kiddie' movie. A PG rating would have given parents a little bit of heads up, and mabe even attracted a whole new audience. Back in the day they used to have movies which were 'unrated' I think that this would have been an excellent candidate.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

...I think the G movie likely unfairly labled it a 'kiddie' movie. ...

Due to the Hays Code almost every film released in America after 1930 and before 1966 was G rated.

Not every film from that era was a kiddie movie. In fact, quite a lot of creativity went into 'getting around' the Hays Code.

For example, Ernst Lubitsch's directorial career was founded upon that very thing. That was mostly what the "Lubitsch Touch" was all about.

Animated film also has an unfair "kiddie" reputation. Some imports from Japan, and efforts like "Heavy Metal" are slowly breaking that stereotype, too.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Animated film also has an unfair "kiddie" reputation. Some imports from Japan, and efforts like "Heavy Metal" are slowly breaking that stereotype, too.

"Some" imports from Japan?

Anime has been shattering the stereotype for quite a long time and manga has aided the transition of comic books into a literary field. From the many shows that end on nihilistic or otherwise non-happily ever after notes (Kite, Cowboy Bebop, Now and Then, Here and There), that feature older teen and adult philosophic quandaries (Ghost in the Shell, Serial Experiments: Lain, Neon Genesis Evangelion), complicated looks into death (X, Kenshin, Full Metal Alchemist, Akira), or outright porn (w/plot surprisingly (Kite, Alien fron the Darkness, Mystery of the Necromnicon)).

Japan has already long ago shunted the stereotype of anime being "kiddie" and it is a standard practice over there already for hundreds of adults to pour into a showing of an anime like Blood in the same way they would flock to see Hellboy or Titanic in America.

I have a feeling with the popularity of Miyazaki, Adult Swim on Cartoon Network, and of course, internet downloads of fansubs that there will be a full revolution within the next decade much like the adult comic book revolution that occured in the 90s.

EDITED TO ADD SIDENOTE: It is also a telling mark of Japanese anime that even the kiddie shows such as Sailor Moon and Full Metal Alchemist deal with concepts that are far far above most American ideas of kiddie. Such as the lesbian relationship between Sailors Uranus and Neptune and the concepts of genocide, the permenance of death, and governmental betrayal. In fact such "kiddie" shows in Japan are often censored or aired later in the American broadcast versions (lesbians become friends, Full Metal Alchemist being aired at Midnight). Apparently kids in America are more fragile than in other parts of the world.

 

[Bandit1]

For that matter, the old Rocky and Bullwinkle show and the Underdog show
were both cartoons aimed at kids while adding subtle adult humor to keep the parents entertained too.
It's amazing how they managed to get so much past the censors.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

"Some" imports from Japan?...

YES! "Some" imports from Japan, not "All."

I spent ten minutes with (perhaps it was) Sailor Moon and all the high-pitched singy-songy saccharin-coated frothy lack of content convinced me to put my head in the oven and turn on the gas.

Luckily, fifteen minutes later, sanity returned, when I remembered that I had an electric range and all I was doing was ruining my hair.