Target #2...Anyone Speak Korean?

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It's only logical if we're going to fight a two front war, how would you do it?



KIM JONG IL, the North Korean dictator, may comfort himself that President Bush is too busy worrying about terrorist hotspots around the world to target his pariah state. But he would be mistaken.
True, Washington’s softly-softly diplomacy with Pyongyang is markedly different from its aggressive military confrontation with Baghdad, a strategy that has raised awkward questions for Mr Bush. If North Korea is proudly going nuclear and exporting Scud missiles around the world, is the threat from Iraq as pre-eminent and urgent as he insists?The official White House answer is that President Saddam Hussein’s predatory and destructive record places him at the head of Mr Bush’s “axis of evil”. The unofficial answer is that, despite the great risks involved in trying to get rid of Saddam, he is an easier target.

The hundreds of North Korean missiles pointed at South Korea, together with the world’s fourth-largest standing army of about one million across the border, are a powerful deterrent, but military power may not protect Mr Kim for ever.

President Bush is an instinctive and often emotional performer. Explaining Saddam’s evil, he reminded an audience this year that “this is the guy that tried to kill my Dad”.

The President has developed a similar grudge against the North Korean leader. “I loathe Kim Jong Il,” he told the Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward in a recent interview. “I’ve got a visceral reaction to this guy, because he is starving his people. And I have seen intelligence of these prison camps — they’re huge — that he uses to break up families and to torture people. It appals me.”

Mr Woodward spoke to Mr Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, and included the interview in the epilogue of his instant bestseller about the White House after the September 11 attacks. When the subject of North Korea came up, Mr Bush became so emotional that Mr Woodward thought that he was about to leap to his feet.

Mr Bush said that he was “not foolish” and that he understood the threat posed by the North Korean military. He also said that he was under pressure to go slow, because the plight of the North Korean people would worsen once the United States began tightening the screws. But he added: “I just don’t buy that. Either you believe in freedom, and worry about the human condition, or you don’t.”

The most overlooked part of the Woodward book is what it reveals about the changes in Mr Bush over the past 16 months. His pre-election call for American humility in its foreign policy and retrenchment in its deployment of troops has been overtaken by events and is long forgotten.

What has not been clear, until now, is what is driving the change.

President Bush, like his father, used to be dismissive of grandiloquent foreign policy pronouncements. But he told Mr Woodward: “The vision thing matters. That’s another lesson I learnt.”

The Bush vision, it seems, is not merely reactive, and not just about snuffing out terrorism. “There is nothing bigger than to achieve world peace,” he said. What he means is that he is prepared to fight wars if the goal is to liberate the oppressed and usher in stability. And Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, is bringing to the task the zeal of the converted.

Precisely what that means for Kim Jong Il is unclear, apart from demonstrating that the ruthlessly determined President is on to him.

Mr Bush could adopt several courses of action. He could make Chinese pressure on North Korea the sole benchmark of the improved Sino-American relations that Beijing seeks.

He could demand that China open its borders to North Korean refugees in the hope that an exodus would collapse the regime. He could use the arrival of a new South Korean President this month to build a harder diplomatic edge against the North. He could plan for pre-emptive military strikes against North Korea’s missile sites, as President Clinton did before abandoning the idea. He may do all of that and more.

But one thing is clear: Mr Bush will not rest on any laurels he may collect in Baghdad. Pyongyang is his next target.


:D
 
One of my concerns with negotiating or political talks with China regarding the Korean issue, is China using it as a leverage point to put pressure on the US to back off support of Taiwan.
 
PsyOps on the high seas......

If you doubt our sincerity on the objective....

THE high seas ambush of a North Korean freighter was intended as a warning shot to the regime in Pyongyang.
US authorities knew they risked upsetting Yemen, a valued ally, but the Bush Administration thought it more important to seize the 15 Scud missiles on board and teach the North Koreans a lesson.

Last night Washington gave warning that there would be more raids if the North Koreans did not stop exporting such lethal weaponry.

The US is concerned that North Korea has shown a willingness to sell weaponry to anybody. The West fears that this could include terrorist groups and rogue nations as well as friendly powers like the Yemenis, who protested yesterday that the missile consignment was legally theirs.

US diplomats said last night that there was no embarrassment at the end of this bizarre saga, which has seen America hand over a cache of missiles they spent months tracking.

One senior American official said: “We hope Pyongyang got the message: ‘We are watching your every move.’”

Since Kim Jong Il boasted in October of having revived his nuclear weapons programme, the US has been waiting for the moment to strike. Satellites had followed the consignment of Scuds from the time it left the factory last month. They watched the missiles being loaded on to the freighter, So San, at Nampo harbour and shadowed the vessel on its journey.

What the Pentagon will not say is why the cargo ship was suddenly seized on Monday as she sailed close to the island of Socotora, 600 miles off the Horn of Africa.

To demonstrate that this was an international operation, Washington let two Spanish frigates take the lead. The Navarra and her support ship, Patino, are part of the US-led operation aimed at intercepting al-Qaeda agents trying to escape from Afghanistan and Pakistan by sea.

In Madrid, Federico Trillo, the Spanish Defence Minister, described the showdown in the Arabian Sea as the Navarra unleashed three bursts of machinegun fire on the So San after she refused to stop. None of the 21 crew was injured.

The real name of the North Korean ship had been painted over, so too had the registration number. The vessel was not flying a flag which Señor Trillo said meant the Spanish crew was within its legal rights to seize the vessel.

Sharpshooters on the deck of the Navarra shot out cables running from the cargo ship’s mast so that a Spanish helicopter could get close enough to land marines on the deck.

At first the So San’s captain claimed she was a Cambodian vessel but on seeing marines clambering into launches and heading in his direction he asked if he could contact his masters in Pyongyang.

The ship’s manifest said she was carrying 40,000 sacks of cement but when the Spanish crew began their search of the hold they found 20 containers.

Señor Trillo listed the haul as 15 Scud missiles, 15 conventional warheads, 23 tanks of nitric acid rocket propellant and 85 drums of chemicals.

Control of the So San was handed over to an American admiral while the diplomatic wrangling began over who owned the cargo. As Pentagon officials announced that the ship would be taken to the British base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, Yemen lodged a protest.

US officials claimed Yemen had agreed not to order any more weapons from North Korea after a consignment was sent in June. The Yemenis claim they had not broken the undertaking as this delivery was part of the original order.

The Sanaa Government insisted the Scuds were for their own defence and were indignant at suggestions the missiles could fall into unscrupulous hands. Yemeni diplomats also complained to the Madrid Government. President Bush personally intervened to heal this diplomatic rift.

Yemen gave Washington a solemn promise that it would not transfer these missiles to anyone, a senior spokesman said.

:D
 
anja deseo

vashke deseo

gomabsubnida



I'm running out of korean already. Guess I don't qualify...
 
Rex1960 said:
anja deseo

vashke deseo

gomabsubnida



I'm running out of korean already. Guess I don't qualify...

Any of those come with duck sauce?
 
I know: she poly ma! (phonetics)

China's on the bandwagon, since they're not ready to go toe to toe with us, yet.

BEIJING - A senior U.S. envoy said Thursday that China shares American concern about North Korea (news - web sites)'s nuclear program and is expected to urge "different behavior" on its isolated, secretive ally.



Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, who was in Beijing for wide-ranging talks on Iraq, North Korea and other issues, didn't give any details. But his comments added to indications by U.S. officials that China has expressed willingness to act on appeals to try to influence North Korea.


China is the North's last major ally, but it isn't clear what influence Beijing has. Chinese leaders have reacted coolly to appeals to pressure its hard-line Stalinist regime.


"China shares the same concern that the United States has ... and that is that we have to find a way to de-nuclearize the peninsula of Korea," Armitage told reporters. "I'm sure the Chinese will be urging some different behavior on the North Koreans."

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HeavyStick said:
Any of those come with duck sauce?

Peanut oil is a major element of the korean kitchen.

But before you start eating, you say

vashke deseo (=have a nice meal / good appetite)

And since
anja deseo (=hello / good day)

we might figure out "deseo" could be "good".

gomabsubnida (=thank you) for listening anyway...
 
I speak Korean.

Ahn nyung ha seyo.

Ahn nyung means hello/goodbye Specifically peace be with you

ha means do

seyo is a polite ending that implies a request. That's the se part.

You say Ahnnyunghaseyo to persons due respect that are your age or younger or below you in the pecking order, but deserving of respect.



Ahn nyung ha shim ni ka to persons due respect that are older than you or above you in the pecking order.

shimnika is the uber polite verb stem shim is the request and nika is the ending.




Ahn nyung to children, lovers, and extremely close confidantes. You also use it with people who you have no respect for. It's the personal form or the rude form.



Language lesson over.



Kim Jung Il isn't a "front." His troops, while able enough, are not able to fight a prolonged battle. The DPRK is suffering from a famine and starvation the likes of which you've seen in the Sudan and Etheopia. Kim simply does not possess the manning resources to fight aware against their food supplies. Weapons of Mass Destruction, that's a different story. They can reach Hawaii, perhaps, and on a good day, the West Coast. They're in the process of creating a third stage ICBM that could, theoretically, reach New York. The DPRK has one export and one industry. WMD.
 
I just wanted everyone to know...

...Killer just impressed the fuck out of me. :)

S.
 
Oh yeah. Here's goodbye

If you're the one staying:

Ahnnyungheekashipshiyo

If you're the one leaving:

Ahnnyungheegyehshipshiyo

If you're talking to a child:

Ahnnyung
 
KillerMuffin said:
I speak Korean....
Language lesson over.

impressive
thanks

finally i've learned how to transcribe those 3 words I know in korean. IOU
 
Same thing, only with a different accent. We had an ol' boy from backwoods Kentucky. You never heard Korean mangled so bad in all your born days.

I was Navy. CTI.
 
KillerMuffin said:
They're in the process of creating a third stage ICBM that could, theoretically, reach New York. The DPRK has one export and one industry. WMD.
Which do you consider the greater threat to the US: Iraq, or North Korea?
 
KillerMuffin said:
They can reach Hawaii, perhaps, and on a good day, the West Coast.

*AHEM*

you're forgetting somewhere, Muffie. it shocks and appals me that you did so, too.

;) :p
 
We can do two fronts...

Middle East Theatre of Operations, and the Korean Pennisula Theatre of Operations, no sweat! I had to do a briefing on possible Korean war scenarios, depending on the time of year, it would not be an armored campaign in the North. It would be primarily airborne, and air cavalry ops.

www.fas.org :D
 
Byron In Exile said:
Which do you consider the greater threat to the US: Iraq, or North Korea?

Currently? Iraq. DPRK can't really hit much of anything we own and they are doing the on again/off again negotiating thing with Bush.

They are so fucked.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2055658.stm
http://www.asiasource.org/news/at_mp_02.cfm?newsid=79637
http://asia.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/11/17/nkorea.famine/

These people only live because of UN food donations. And those have just been cut.

No, Kim has the weapons, he believes that he needs only 30% of the people (generally the ones in the military and in Pyongyang) for his country to succeed at whatever. He doesn't, however, have the resources. Particularly when people defect simply because they find a pre-packaged ramen noodle wrapper that washed up on the beach from the south (true story).

Hussein, on the other hand, has a good handle on his population. They're not starving, but they're not happy and they blame the West. Koreans blame everything, including Kim.

Sadly, war is only about resources and power, never anything else. Kim doesn't really have power or resources. He can blast our allies Korea and Japan and such, but he has more of an interest in cultivating them and China would get seriously pissy over it and crush him like an insect. They're awful peeved with him now. Incidentally, they're the only reason we having wiped him off the planet.

Saddam has both resources and power. We want them. Altruisticaly because he can currently reach Israel and Egypt. It wouldn't be much to get missiles that can reach Europe. If he could import them, guess who he'd buy them from? Barring that, he doesn't even need to bring them into Iraq. He can transport them anywhere and shoot them. DPRK does have working nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons with no motivation to use them. Saddam doesn't have or is hiding WMD, but he has a serious motivation and prior history with using them.

I don't dismiss Korea, but I don't thnk it's any big deal. Now, China, that's a whole new ballgame.
 
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