Take down squad / buddy system

[MindsMirror]

As we were tracking down other authors effected by a user at ASSTR, we thought it might be advantageous if some of us formed a group that alerted others to unauthorized and unattributed works placed on sites.

This is the verbiage we were using, sorry if you got more than one contact.

We thought you would like to know that we found a user http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/ashrith at ASSTR had posted copies of your stories.

We sent take down notices to copyright@asstr.org, but have not seen them removed as yet. Perhaps a show of strength will give us more impact.

-MindsMirror

We were wondering if there would be some method of doing this in a more organized fashion.
-MM

 

[chunks]

I've been told that ASSTR isn't responding. What do you think about the idea of posting a story to ASSTR that includes the name of the guy who's posting our stories and the titles, possibly with links to Lit? It'd have to have some plot, I think. I'd be willing to gen something up...

 

[jomar]

Looking at your join dates and post numbers I'd say the thread title probably sums it up fairly well.

 

[MindsMirror]

Looks like erotic-stories.mobi is another offender. Although some of the stories are attributed, the one of ours we found there wasn't place there by us. e-maling their supplied link (eroticstories.mobi@gmail.com) returns undeliverable.

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

eroticstories.mobi@gmail.com

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain gmail.com by gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com. [2607:f8b0:400e:c04::1a].

The error that the other server returned was:
550-5.2.1 The email account that you tried to reach is disabled. Learn more at
550 5.2.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=DisabledUser w18si77640377pfg.227 - gsmtp

-MM

 

[CoffeeWithMonkeys]

MM I always think you have split personalities because you always say We this and We that and it messes with my brain!

And that is my rambley thought for the day. I have nothing to add to the conversation...carry on.

 

[jomar]

You misunderstood my post. I was a bit snarky, sorry, but probably on point.

Anyway, all of us authors appreciate knowing when our stories are grabbed, so, thank you.

I think Most would pay more attention if a new thread was started as opposed to a dedicated thread or subforum.

ETA: Especially, PM Laurel, she gets feisty with thieves.

 

[MindsMirror]

MM I always think you have split personalities because you always say We this and We that and it messes with my brain!

We're a couple, so while one of us may be typing, the other is usually nearby. Sorry, we're fairly upset that our work has been taken and while it was place here for free; it's theft of our efforts. Hearing from other people that Lit used to do something to help and now doesn't leaves us looking for another path.

-MM

 

[MindsMirror]

You misunderstood my post. I was a bit snarky, sorry, but probably on point.

Anyway, all of us authors appreciate knowing when our stories are grabbed, so, thank you.

I think Most would pay more attention if a new thread was started as opposed to a dedicated thread or subforum.

ETA: Especially, PM Laurel, she gets feisty with thieves.

Sorry we misinterpreted your post.

We're simply looking for ways to combat this. We've heard that Lit used to defend more. If they aren't doing it we should band together and encourage them to do so or do it ourselves.

FYI, we did contact Lit about this in July last year. None of them have been taken down and more have been added, including https://www.literotica.com/s/quixotic-rapprochement. The user on ASSTR has added other writer's stories this year.

Subject: Plagiarism
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:59:04 -0800
From:
To: memberhelp@literotica.com

Someone is copying our work (Page Ch 01-05 and An Unwitting Discovery) as well as several other Literotica stories.

What can be done about it? http://www.asstr.org/files/Authors/ashrith/

Thanks,
MindsMirror

 

[beachbum1958]

As we were tracking down other authors effected by a user at ASSTR, we thought it might be advantageous if some of us formed a group that alerted others to unauthorized and unattributed works placed on sites.



We were wondering if there would be some method of doing this in a more organized fashion.
-MM

Someone alerted me to this months ago, and sure enough, the talentless little tick has grabbed most of my stuff. A stream of takedown notices has had no effect, and appealing to Laurel has been a little like arguing with thunderstorms, so I let it go and accepted it as a consequence of posting on a free site that anyone can apparently plunder with impunity.

 

[MindsMirror]

A stream of takedown notices has had no effect, and appealing to Laurel has been a little like arguing with thunderstorms, so I let it go and accepted it as a consequence of posting on a free site that anyone can apparently plunder with impunity.

We aren't powerless, unless we allow ourselves be. As a group, we have more leverage with Literotica and the sites that allow plagiarized material to be uploaded. It would seem that a group of creative folk might be able to find a way to protect all of our works.

-MM

 

[lovecraft68]

appealing to Laurel has been a little like arguing with thunderstorms, so I let it go and accepted it as a consequence of posting on a free site that anyone can apparently plunder with impunity.

This sums it up.

1-when we post something for free this is inevitable. Just as it is for people who post music, artwork, photos etc. You learn to accept this will happen. If the person is making no money from it, I've decided it doesn't matter.

2-Laurel could care less about this, which puts it in the category with everything else here not called the general board. They should be fighting these things, not us and they used to, but they also used to do a lot of things, like give a shit.

The simplest solution if this really upsets anyone is to stop posting stuff for free. Don't get me wrong even e-books can be stolen, but when they're found and someone is making money off it, its treated much differently and more seriously.

Post at your own risk is the lesson here.

 

[jomar]

Huh, I know Laurel has stopped posting but thought she was still active against plagerism of stories here.

 

[MindsMirror]

Perhaps an organized group would hold more sway in motivating Lit to help protect themselves and us.
-MM

 

[TheTruthAboutRedheads]

Hi, I'm new here. I'm an aspiring writer and the whole stolen stories thing really bothers me.

I don't know a lot about the DMCA but I think the next step after a takedown notice has had no effect would be to file a lawsuit. Or maybe step 1a is send a letter announcing your intent to file suit.

We would need to know where these websites are physically located, their business address or owner's address.

 

[Handley_Page]

We're a couple, so while one of us may be typing, the other is usually nearby. Sorry, we're fairly upset that our work has been taken and while it was place here for free; it's theft of our efforts. Hearing from other people that Lit used to do something to help and now doesn't leaves us looking for another path.

-MM

Frankly, I think it's a good idea.
Whether it will result in adequate corrections is something gelse

 

[8letters]

We aren't powerless, unless we allow ourselves be. As a group, we have more leverage with Literotica and the sites that allow plagiarized material to be uploaded. It would seem that a group of creative folk might be able to find a way to protect all of our works.

You aren't powerless. You can hire a lawyer and have him/her file a DCMA notice that lists your name and address. ASSTR is gambling that you won't do that.

 

[MindsMirror]

Here the verbiage that made us think Literotica would assist from the FAQ https://www.literotica.com/faq/05235347.shtml

If I submit a story to Literotica, do I still own the copyright?

Absolutely. You are simply granting us a non-exclusive right to publish your story on Literotica.com and granting Literotica the right to enforce the copyright on your story should it be used without your permission by any other publication - online, print, or other media.

While Literotica is not in any way required to enforce your copyright for you, you are granting us the right to do so if we become aware of anyone using your story without your explicit consent. The right to enforce your copyright that you are granting us includes the right to file DMCA complaints, file lawsuits, and any and all other necessary actions, both foreign and domestic, to prevent unauthorized people and companies from using your submissions without your permission.

The reason we require you to grant us the shared right to enforce your copyright (of course you also retain the right to enforce your own copyrights) is so that we have the legal power needed to protect your works from unauthorized publication on websites and in other media. As long as you grant permission to a website or other media to publish your stories, we have no right to enforce copyright law on them. Only websites or other media that publish/copy your stories without your permission are included in this granting of rights.

Other than these two issues, all rights to the story still belong to you, the author.

 

[oggbashan]

You aren't powerless. You can hire a lawyer and have him/her file a DCMA notice that lists your name and address. ASSTR is gambling that you won't do that.

Best of luck with that. Unless you have registered (and paid) for your copyright in the US your lawyer has nothing to act upon.

Even if you have registered your copyright your legal fees are likely to be in the thousands of US dollars and for what? You won't get compensation for theft of a free story.

 

[MindsMirror]

It seems pretty clear that most people that post here don't have a problem with giving to the reading community. What they have a big problem with is others taking their work and profiting from it. That would seem to include unauthorized publication without attribution on other websites. It remains unclear why Literotica would allow this to happen to their most valuable top rated stories from all categories.

-MM

 

[ElectricBlue]

It remains unclear why Literotica would allow this to happen to their most valuable top rated stories from all categories.

Because there are no dollars involved, thus there is no financial incentive for action. Lit is losing no income, writers are expecting no income from Lit, therefore "most valuable" actually means zero commercial value, in this context.

I suspect the value to writers publishing here on Lit is generally not expressed in dollar terms, but some other intangible value.

 

[uksnowy]

I have been in ASSTR for a long time and now in the process of posting MY work from there into LIT, where possible by editing - mainly ages.

I haven't tried but I thought ASSTR wasn't talking new stuff, maybe closed down - could be very wrong, but I am not interested in posting work in there any more..

 

[oggbashan]

... It remains unclear why Literotica would allow this to happen to their most valuable top rated stories from all categories.

-MM

Allow? Without radically changing Literotica to make it pay per view, and not even then, Literotica CANNOT stop it. No website can.

Just look at the free erotic pictures and videos you can find with commercial website slogans on them. They have been stolen from the pay per view sites by the million.

 

[KindofHere]

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[oggbashan]

I'm going to need proof of this for piece of mind, could you write out a list of these websites that show these pirated pictures and videos.

Just do a google search for any particular fetish.

Here is one (facesitting) to start you off:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=f...ICSgC&biw=1440&bih=765#tbm=isch&q=facesitting

Note how many pictures show the paid-for website's name.

 

[KindofHere]

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