tail between legs

annaswirls

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I made several mistakes on my last poem. I am embarassed. I even found two more with a little research. I know it is not a big deal to make mistakes, but with such a weighty topic I feel responsible to get things right.

Here is the revision followed by some info I found. For the record.


Enola Gay’s out on display
safe behind rope and glass.
Inside cramped cockpit:
yellowed harness for holding heroes,
switches and knobs that click analog.

Back home, steady fingers
of sisters and lovers
paint night-flight control dials
with glowing green radium paint.

Soldiers made safe by
lipstick mouths pulling
bristles to a sharp saliva point
for precise painting of numbers
that would glow the boys back home.

Enola Gay, she did not require
green glow navigation.
Her black numbers were painted
on white dials, good enough for
a morning flight view.

Too high flying for anyone to see
her Little Boy bomb tucked in
safe under her swollen belly.

Fingers hesitate before
lifting the switch with the lethal click
heard only by men held tight
under white cotton harness

nine point eight
meters per second
squared

they
fell


Cities destroyed and
Halleluiah!
Boys are coming home!
greeted by sterile sisters and lovers
with pre-cancerous lipstick kisses.


~



Little Boy and Fat Man
Little Boy was the first nuclear weapon used in warfare. It exploded approximately 1,800 feet over Hiroshima, Japan, on the morning of August 6, 1945, with a force equal to 13,000 tons of TNT. Immediate deaths were between 70,000 to 130,000.

Little Boy was dropped from a B-29 bomber piloted by U.S. Army Air Force Col. Paul W. Tibbets. Tibbets had named the plane Enola Gay after his mother the night before the atomic attack.

Fat Man was the second nuclear weapon used in warfare. Dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, on August 9, 1945, Fat Man devastated more than two square miles of the city and caused approximately 45,000 immediate deaths.

Major Charles W. Sweeney piloted the B-29, #77 that dropped Fat Man. After the nuclear mission, #77 was christened Bockscar after its regular Command Pilot, Fred Bock.

While Little Boy was a uranium gun-type device, Fat Man was a more complicated and powerful plutonium implosion weapon that exploded with a force equal to 20 kilotons of TNT.

..............

~

The paint is composed of radium, zinc sulfide and a glue binder. The zinc sulfide emits light when struck by the radioactive particles. It glows all night and exposure to light is not necessary.
Radium dial painting began in 1917 but it was deadly for the dialpainters.

Young women ranging in age from the mid teens to the early 20's were employed to apply the paint to clock dials and other products for several different companies. The dialpainters were typically single and lived with their parents. Dialpainting was easy work with comparatively high wages. Over the first 10 years about 2000 women were employed in this work, mostly in three locations: Orange, NJ, Waterbury, CT and Ottawa, IL.


Workers were required to use lippointing to bring the paintbrushes to a point between the lips. This practice was passed on to the radium painting industry that also needed fine work. The majority of dialpainting was for wristwatches. The watch at the right was made in the late 1920's by Illinois Watch, Springfield, Illinois. The painting is done exceptionally well.

This radium dial was probably painted by a dialpainter that later may have suffered and/or died as a result of having painted the numbers and hands on this and other watch dials. By the 1920's and 1930's some dialpainters and former dialpainters began to suffer from a variety of illnesses, often crippling and frequently fatal as a result of ingesting the radium paint. Ingested radium is known to deposit permanently in bone structures. Radiation can then damage bone marrow, causing anemia. It can also weaken the bones so they might crush or snap under normal pressure. It can weaken bone tissue making it easy to get infection such as the jawbones that have dental work or gum disease. It can cause other forms of cancer in the sinus and mastoids.
 
Anna,:heart:

while it is good to correct factual mistakes, I do believe the spirit of the poem made its poent wonderfully:)


a very interesting story. in your research did you discover anything about Doolittle's Raiders? I think they are the ones who dropped that bomb ( or one of them) .

we have an air show every year near the exact place where they used to practice. Lots of vintage planes and lots of newer, sexy soldiers :D

maybe you can come down one spring and see the old stuff, its really cool, some good relics for your page

till later:)

ps, this quote instantly made me think of several poets on here:rose:


poems are just stories... with the boring parts left out-- w. h. auden
 
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sounds like a good day! I did not read about doolitle's raiders, I think I might do a bit more research.

it was questioned whether or not radium is green or blue. This I was pretty sure of as we had some of these glowing beauties in our basement workshop (along with a high level of radon)
 
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Tathagata said:
see the pm I sent


thanks


no, thank YOU :) kind man,



but I thought you knew....
I already AM married


:p

but you are welcome to take the kids
 
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annaswirls said:
no, thank YOU :) kind man,



but I thought you knew....
I already AM married


:p

but you are welcome to take the kids

That would be like kids having kids
but it would save me endless trip to the fridge...

Lemme think about it
; )
 
Maria...

Maria2394 said:
Anna,:heart:

a very interesting story. in your research did you discover anything about Doolittle's Raiders? I think they are the ones who dropped that bomb ( or one of them) .



Actually I think Doolittle's Raiders were flying B-24s, a much smaller plane than the B-29s that dropped the atomic bombs. Doolittle's Raiders flew their bombers off of aircraft carriers and were the first to actually hit Japan with bombs. They had to fly so far that they only carried a few bombs, the damage they did was only physically minimal, but psycologically it was devestating to the Japanese.

The Raiders couldn't return to the carriers, they didn't have enough fuel. Instead they flew toward China, with a few crash landing there. Many did not make it, either crashing into the sea, or some didn't get out of Japan before they went down.

I believe some of the pilots were captured by the Japanese, but weren't treated as POWs, they were treated as war criminals and executed.


jim : )
 
annaswirls said:
I made several mistakes on my last poem. I am embarassed. I even found two more with a little research. I know it is not a big deal to make mistakes, but with such a weighty topic I feel responsible to get things right.


The poem spoke for itself with or without the mistakes, the emotion and message remained clear, but I think when writing a historical poem a poet is responsible for being accurate. Inaccuracies could diminish the poet's credibility with the reader and that diminished credibility could affect the readers reaction to the poem.

The point is, not that the mistakes were made, but that you corrected them. I think it speaks well to the system of posting work and the commenting we have here. That process brought some things to light for you and in the spirit of improving your poetry, you revised your work.

Have you ever read Hiroshima by John Hershey? It is a short but powerful view from ground zero, something I thought of as I read the last few lines of your poem...


jim : )
 
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jthserra said:
Actually I think Doolittle's Raiders were flying B-24s, a much smaller plane than the B-29s that dropped the atomic bombs. Doolittle's Raiders flew their bombers off of aircraft carriers and were the first to actually hit Japan with bombs. They had to fly so far that they only carried a few bombs, the damage they did was only physically minimal, but psycologically it was devestating to the Japanese.

The Raiders couldn't return to the carriers, they didn't have enough fuel. Instead they flew toward China, with a few crash landing there. Many did not make it, either crashing into the sea, or some didn't get out of Japan before they went down.

I believe some of the pilots were captured by the Japanese, but weren't treated as POWs, they were treated as war criminals and executed.


jim : )


JIM!!!

:)

see, thats what I love about you...an endless font of knowledge. I live right here where they trained and I never knew the part about the executions, but thats me, one ear open, the other just there ;)

we have a semi pro baseball team named after them, and the survivors have reunions every year, but I think theres only 3 left now...times a passin..thanks for the info.


really interesting thread Anna, love that history..and yes, its good to have the facts straight, but I still enjoyed the poem, kinda " knew what ya meant" :heart:

maria

Doolittle's Raiders
 
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Maria2394 said:
JIM!!!

we have a semi pro baseball team named after them, and the survivors have reunions every year, but I think theres only 3 left now...times a passin..thanks for the info.

maria


The B-24s that Doolittle flew were very small planes. It was a B-24 that flew into the Empire State Building many, many years ago. The minimal damage to the building was more a testament to how small the bomber was than how strong the building was built.

The B-29s that Anna writes of, on the other hand, were the largest bombers of the day, capable of flying long distances at incredible altitudes, making it the best delivery system for the atomic bomb. The very existence of the plane kept the Russians/Soviets in line for many years... that is until they got their hands on one that crash landed in their territory. They then, basically, made an exact replica for themselves.

jim : )
 
annaswirls said:
I
Enola Gay’s out on display
safe behind rope and glass.
Inside cramped cockpit:
yellowed harness for holding heroes,
switches and knobs that click analog.


Nice poem but you have a problem: the first line is cute with it's internal rhyme but it is also strongly rythmic:- dit da dit da dit da dit da which the reader tries to apply to the second line and it fails bringing the reader to an abrupt stop; a bit like a gpf on your computer. One reboots the poem then reads through. If you insert a syllable in the second line the problem moves to the third etc. You may have to sacrifice the cute first line to make the poem work as free form or establish a working metre throughout.

Good luck

A
 
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ag2507 said:
Nice poem but you have a problem: the first line is cute with it's internal rhyme but it is also strongly rythmic:- dit da dit da dit da dit da which the reader tries to apply to the second line and it fails bringing the reader to an abrupt stop; a bit like a gpf on your computer. One reboots the poem then reads through.

Good luck

A

This reader didn't do that
perhaps " some " readers might though


:)
 
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ag2507 said:
Nice poem but you have a problem: the first line is cute with it's internal rhyme but it is also strongly rythmic:- dit da dit da dit da dit da which the reader tries to apply to the second line and it fails bringing the reader to an abrupt stop; a bit like a gpf on your computer. One reboots the poem then reads through. If you insert a syllable in the second line the problem moves to the third etc. You may have to sacrifice the cute first line to make the poem work as free form or establish a working metre throughout.

Good luck

A
from Tath...This reader didn't do that
perhaps " some " readers might though
from PatThis reader didn't do that either.

Perhaps because both of you know Anna and her style "enough" not to expect it? But la de da to all of that, fellas. There is no denying that, as an opening line, it does have a childishness to it that belies the depth of the piece. A slight rework of the phrasing wouldn't be too far outside Anna's ability and would avoid the problem ag is speaking of.
 
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champagne1982 said:
Perhaps because both of you know Anna and her style "enough" not to expect it? But la de da to all of that, fellas. There is no denying that, as an opening line, it does have a childishness to it that belies the depth of the piece.

In your opinion you mean?

:)



and this AG has been around since 2002..surely if he is commenting on Anna's work he has read more than just this poem.

Also judging from the poem that AG has ,under that name anyway,
he/she has more of a fondness for rhyming rhythmic poetry that might make anna's poem seem awkward to his/ her ear.
 
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champagne1982 said:
There is no denying that, as an opening line, it does have a childishness to it that belies the depth of the piece. A slight rework of the phrasing wouldn't be too far outside Anna's ability and would avoid the problem ag is speaking of.

yes, there is a denying that the opening line has a childishness.

i deny it.

i also see no problem to avoid, unless one chooses to read all poetry in a prescribed way.

i would agree anna would have no problem reworking the phrase, if she chose to, however.
 
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PatCarrington said:
yes, there is a denying that the opening line has a childishness.

i deny it.

i also see no problem to avoid, unless one chooses to read all poetry in a prescribed way.

i would agree anna would have no problem reworking the phrase, if she chose to, however.

I want to know if that's you in the av. You look intense. :D
 
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Angeline said:
I want to know if that's you in the av. You look intense. :D


you have a little drool on your chin there bubbeh
;)
 
I think a cutesy first line--if you want to see it that way--is a good device because it maybe lowers the reader's expectation. Then, you whack em in the next few lines. Wakes em right up. :D

Poetry that takes you on a roller coaster rider is the best.
 
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Tathagata said:
you have a little drool on your chin there bubbeh
;)

Well I can't help it if I don't want to drool over a chimpanzee. And Pat put up Al Pacino once. He knows how to work the avatars, lol.

See if you put Lester Young up I'll probably attack you.

:)
 
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Angeline said:

See if you put Lester Young up I'll probably attack you.

:)

how about Mighty Joe Young??
 
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Tathagata said:
how about Mighty Joe Young??

No.

Not Robert Young, either.

Maybe Jesse Colin Young though...
 
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Angeline said:
No.

Not Robert Young, either.

Maybe Jesse Colin Young though...


:rolleyes:

why do I start with you...?
:D
 
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Tathagata said:
:rolleyes:

why do I start with you...?
:D

Cause it's fun and you know it. :D

Oh. I have something for you to read.

:rose:
 
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Angeline said:
Cause it's fun and you know it. :D

Oh. I have something for you to read.

:rose:

i'm glad this thread deteriorated this quickly. :)

i was afraid i'd get trapped in a 19th century poetry-reading tent.

it's such a pain in the ass putting those wigs on.
 
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