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Islamic world rages about Swiss minaret ban while persecuting non-Muslims wholesale

http://www.jihadwatch.org/


Bandow provides a useful general survey; I've included his reports on some of the more modern, moderate states below. "The Problem of Islamic Religious Persecution: How is it that only Western nations are accused of 'defaming' religion?," by Doug Bandow for National Review, December 3 (thanks to Twostellas):



The Problem of Islamic Religious Persecution
How is it that only Western nations are accused of “defaming” religion?

By Doug Bandow
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGZhMjA1YzU0ZjI1NGZkYzQ2ZjE2YmI4NmIxMTE2YzM=

America, like so many countries in the West, laments its strained relations with the Islamic world.


In June, Pres. Barack Obama traveled to Cairo to speak against the “fear and mistrust” that exist between the West and Islam. Yet Muslim governments demand respect for Islam while refusing to offer similar respect for religious minorities within their own borders.

The recent Swiss vote to ban the construction of minarets in that European nation has become the latest controversy to generate Muslim protests worldwide.

However, Islamic governments are in no position to complain about Western intolerance and “Islamophobia.”

Most Muslim nations are repressive or offer only limited political freedom. More often than not, Islamic states violate basic human rights; and almost all persecute Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities.

Many authoritarian states — especially Communist or formerly Communist ones — violate religious liberty along with other freedoms in order to maintain political control.

But Muslim nations are almost unique in their willingness to persecute religious minorities to promote religious ends, as is evident from the State Department’s latest report on religious liberty abroad.

The State Department refers to “state hostility toward minority or non-approved religious groups,” as if different faiths randomly oppressed different faiths. However, Islam has distinguished itself with the willingness of governments and individuals to harass, attack, jail, and kill members of other religions. Even the most moderate and tolerant Islamic states often fall far short of respecting religious minorities.

In Morocco, for instance, the government detained converts from Islam to Christianity, expelled Christian missionaries, and restricted “non-Islamic materials and proselytizing.” Many other Islamic states are far worse, however.

AFGHANISTAN
The U.S. expelled the Taliban government, but has not created a free society.

Although the Karzai government responded to outside pressure and took some steps to improve religious liberty, explains State, “the residual effects of years of jihad against the former Soviet Union, Taliban rule, civil strife, popular suspicion regarding outside influence of foreigners, and still weak democratic institutions hindered the realization of this aspiration.” Relations among different Muslim sects “continued to be difficult”; non-Muslims face “harassment and occasional violence”; “most local Christians did not publicly state their beliefs or gather openly to worship.”

BRUNEI
In this small Islamic state respect for religious liberty has been falling. The State Department reports that “non-Muslims were prohibited from receiving religious education in private religious schools, which had previously been allowed.” Moreover, “across denominational lines, non-Muslim religious leaders stated that they were subjected to undue influence and duress, and some were threatened with fines and/or imprisonment. Active monitoring of churches and disruption of supply shipments and mail were reported.” The authorities also limited the use of literature and worship places by religious minorities.

EGYPT
Although progress was made in some areas, “The status of respect for religious freedom by the government declined somewhat,” reports State, “based on the failure to investigate and prosecute perpetrators of increased incidents of sectarian violence,” mostly against Coptic Christians. Moreover, the authorities “again failed to redress laws and governmental practices that discriminate against Christians, effectively allowing their discriminatory effects and their modeling effect on society to become further entrenched.” Christian converts from Islam were harassed and abused.

INDONESIA
The most populous Islamic nation, Indonesia long has reflected a more moderate variant of Islam. But Muslim extremists remain active and often unconstrained by the authorities. Reports State: “Ongoing government restrictions, particularly among unrecognized religions and sects of the recognized religions considered ‘deviant’ were significant exceptions to respect for religious freedom.” Worse, the government sometimes “tolerated discrimination against and the abuse of religious groups by private actors and failed to punish perpetrators.” Those responsible are rarely punished. Moreover, “Some groups used violence and intimidation to forcibly shut at least nine churches and 12 Ahmadiyya mosques.”

IRAN
One of the uglier Islamic persecutors is Iran. The constitution nominally affirms the rights of “protected” religions — Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians. However, in practice no non-Shi’a believer is safe. Explains the report: “Respect for religious freedom in the country continued to deteriorate. Government rhetoric and actions created a threatening atmosphere for nearly all non-Shi’a religious groups, most notably for Baha’is, as well as Sufi Muslims, evangelical Christians, and members of the Jewish community. Reports of government imprisonment, harassment, intimidation, and discrimination based on religious beliefs continued.” The state also promoted discrimination in the areas of education, employment, and housing. Iran is a Country of Particular Concern.

IRAQ
Tragically, liberating Iraq from Saddam Hussein meant liberating some of the worst sectarian passions, which he had brutally held in check. Roughly half of Iraq’s historical Christian community has been displaced, many to Jordan and Syria, another secular Arab dictatorship. Although the government does not persecute, reports State, “violence conducted by terrorists, extremists, and criminal gangs restricted the free exercise of religion and posed a significant threat to the country’s vulnerable religious minorities.” Although overall violence is down, Christians and other religious minorities continue to be targeted by radical Muslims.


MALAYSIA
This former British colony remains freer than Iran but not as free as Indonesia. Observes State: “Minority religious groups remained generally free to practice their beliefs; however, over the past several years, many have expressed concern that the civil court system has gradually ceded jurisdictional control to Sharia courts, particularly in areas of family law involving disputes between Muslims and non-Muslims.” Conversion from Islam is prohibited and, notes the department, “Religious minorities continued to face limitations on religious expression and alleged violations of property rights,” including prohibiting proselytizing of Muslims.

NIGERIA
The population is divided among Christian, Muslim, and traditional faiths. Although the national government does not persecute, a dozen “northern states use Sharia courts to adjudicate criminal and civil matters for Muslims,” notes State, and “local political actors stoked sectarian violence with impunity.” Although Christians are not free from all blame, the initiators more often have been Muslims and their victims more often have been Christians; there also have been reports of forced conversions to Islam as well as threats to extend Sharia law over non-Muslims.

PAKISTAN
Washington’s ally in the war on terror is one of the least hospitable states for religious minorities. State notes “some positive steps to improve the treatment of religious minorities,” but Christians, Hindus, and Jews remain second-class citizens, if that. Explains the report: “Law enforcement personnel abused religious minorities in custody. Security forces and other government agencies did not adequately prevent or address societal abuses against minorities. Discriminatory legislation and the government’s failure to take action against societal forces hostile to those who practice a different religious belief fostered religious intolerance, acts of violence, and intimidation against religious minorities.” Christians even risk execution if convicted of “blasphemy.”

SAUDI ARABIA
Another close U.S. ally, Saudi Arabia is among the globe’s worst persecutors. At least Saudi Arabia makes no pretense. Explains the report, “Freedom of religion is neither recognized nor protected under the law and is severely restricted in practice.” Although the private practice of non-Sunni Islam is usually left alone, “This right was not always respected in practice and is not defined in law.” Moreover, explains State, “the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice (CPVPV) continued to conduct raids on private non-Muslim religious gatherings.” The repressive kingdom has been designated a Country of Particular Concern.

SOMALIA
No surprise, this wreckage of a nation with an Islamic majority is not a good host for religious minorities. Notes State: “The Transitional Federal Government (TFG) generally did not enforce legal protections of religious freedom.” Not that it probably could do so even if so inclined, given the rise in extremist militias, which “often imposed through violence a strict interpretation of Islam on communities under their control. There were also reports that individuals who do not practice Islam experienced discrimination, violence, and detention because of religious beliefs.”

SUDAN
This tragic nation, whose Muslim north long has warred against its animist and Christian south, also is inhospitable land for religious minorities. After years of violent conflict, an accord of sorts was reached, theoretically ensuring religious freedom in the south while favoring Islam in the north. State explains that, while the Government of National Unity “did not vigorously enforce its strictest restrictions on religious freedom, it generally did not respect religious plurality in the north.” There also “were some reports of societal abuses and discrimination based on religious affiliation, belief, or practice.” Sudan is another Country of Particular Concern.

TURKEY
Although the government generally respects freedom of religious practice, it restricts Islamic expression in education and official circumstances.

Moreover, notes State, “Minority religious groups also faced difficulties in worshipping, registering with the Government, and training their followers,” as well as proselytizing.

Further, “Threats against non-Muslims created an atmosphere of pressure and diminished freedom for some non-Muslim communities. Many Christians, Baha’is, and heterodox Muslims faced societal suspicion and mistrust, and some elements of society continued to express anti-Semitic sentiments.”

YEMEN
Yet another failed or semi-failed Islamic state, Yemen enshrines Islam as the state religion, holds Shari’a as the source of all law, bans conversion from Islam, and forbids proselytizing of Muslims. Although non-Muslims remain nominally free to otherwise practice their faiths, reports State, “There was a decrease in the status of respect for religious freedom by the government . . . , particularly with regard to the Baha’i and Jewish communities.” Private perpetrators of violence against religious minorities were not punished.

Washington’s ability to aid religious minorities in other nations always will be limited. However, any Western dialogue with Islam must take into account the tendency of Islamic governments to persecute. For a start, the U.S. should suggest that Muslim governments that campaign against the “defamation” of religion start by respecting the freedom of conscience of those who live under their control. After all, murder is the ultimate form of defamation.

— Doug Bandow is senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a senior fellow in religious persecution at the Institute on Religion and Public Policy. A former special assistant to Pres. Ronald Reagan, he is the author of Beyond Good Intentions: A Biblical View of Politics.
 
Yes..the Swiss are terrified that the rampant number of current minarets ( 4) will lead to an overwhelming number ( say like 5 or 6)

after all, not allowing religous symbols in Europe worked so well for Germany in the 30's, and the swiss did have their gold..might as well lead by example
 
I'm all for the democratic process..but democracy doesnt always mean the right thing wins out. The Nazi's were voted in, was that a good thing?


And one of the things about being in any kind of democracy is our right to bitch about what happens in it...if that wasnt a right, you would be thrilled with your own current administration and wouldnt be allowed to speak out against it


You're upset that the the world isnt as angry as it should be against those governments who have clearly exhibited tyrannical and zealotry...good, and damn right you should be


But that doesnt also mean that what the Swiss are doing isnt wrong either


So on this issue, BB..we agree and we disagree at the same time

its just a matter of perspective and rationality
 
:eek:WOW!

You make SOME sense:eek:

Who knew you had it in you!:confused::eek::confused::eek::confused:


It was BAD BABY SHITTER that wrote this, wasnt it?


PS. You have no idea what is going on in Euro PUKE and Switzerland, if you did, you would UNDERSTAND the reasoning:(

PPS. You have NO CLUE what goes on in teh ME and MOOSEFUCK CUNTRIES vis a vis other religions!
 
I'm all for the democratic process..but democracy doesnt always mean the right thing wins out. The Nazi's were voted in, was that a good thing?

Hussein Obama was "elected" in as well

Was that such a good thing?
 
We argue like this all the time, lol, but you usually just say "whatever " or give me a smiley repsonse, lol


Its how Canadian politics work..we actually sit down and listen to what the other guy says..wether we agree or not


make for dull politics, but gets shit done

your politicians wouldnt make it in our system on either side of the spectrum


and the reasoning is the same throughout the world, religous intolerance..beit from the Muslim world or against it...it happened 70 years ago and it can very well happen again..any group when ostracised enough can turn to extreme intolerance... time will only tell if this can be resolved without another " Final Solution"
 
Hussein Obama was "elected" in as well

Was that such a good thing?

So was Bush...look how well that turned out

Please note, I'm not anti-american, I actually am really fond of your nation. It just lost alot of its positive world image under Dubya's administration. The jury is still out on Obama
 
and the reasoning is the same throughout the world, religous intolerance..beit from the Muslim world or against it...it happened 70 years ago and it can very well happen again..any group when ostracised enough can turn to extreme intolerance... time will only tell if this can be resolved without another " Final Solution"
wtf does THIS mean?:confused:

where is there religious intolerance besides MUSLIM CUNTRIES?
 
Where is there religous intolerance outside of Muslim nations...hmmmm... where can I find a guy who calls followers of Islam " Mooselimbs" hmmmm I wonder

And whats bullshit..that the jury is still out, or that Dubya's administration did damage on the world stage


speaking as a non-American..I might have some persepctive
 
Me calling them MOOSELIMB is RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE?

as opposed to what happens in MOOSESHIT CUNTRIES?????????????:rolleyes: Churches are burned, Christians killed, Bibles burned, WITH GOVERNMENTS looking the other way!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But by all means, lets bash BB!:rolleyes:

PS, the PROPER way to pronounce MUSLIM is MOOSELIMB:rolleyes:
 
Oh, and the US was ALWAYS DISLIKED WORLDWIDE:rolleyes:

ALWAYS!

ALWAYS

Thats the way it is:rolleyes:

Had NOTHING to do with Bush

Was that way under Clitman, Bush, Reagan etc etc etc

dont be a fool
 
As well, I am not an islamic sympathiser..its a religon whose core tenets involve the subjugation of women as second class citizens if not downright property

And yes, I support the band on the burqua..its not a symbol of religious expression..its a symbol of sexual repression. There is nothing in the Quran that supports that horrid practice

And even if it were, it would still be wrong, religions must change with the times

otherwise Christians would still be allowed to pracise slavery
 
As well, I am not an islamic sympathiser..its a religon whose core tenets involve the subjugation of women as second class citizens if not downright property

And yes, I support the band on the burqua..its not a symbol of religious expression..its a symbol of sexual repression. There is nothing in the Quran that supports that horrid practice

And even if it were, it would still be wrong, religions must change with the times

otherwise Christians would still be allowed to pracise slavery

you didnt READ the OP, didya?


OH,

and what happened to the USUAL LOONY

Bad Baby Shitter?

Why are YOU make SOME sense:cool:
 
Churches are burned in your own country by other christians, murders are commited in gods name regularly in your news, preachers call politicians they dont like satanic, cry out that 9/11 was gods judgement on America, ..the list goes on and on


cant play victim there


and as for damaging your public image...oh please... freedom fries? blaming Canada for your border security letting terrorists in? invading another nation when the UN told you not to?
 
BB, I'm only making sense becuase I'm not name calling, lol


getting all Canadian on your ass, lol
 
Churches are burned in your own country by other christians,..........show me murders are commited in gods name regularly in ..........show meyour news, preachers call politicians they dont like satanic, cry out that 9/11 was gods judgement on America, ..the list goes on and on


cant play victim there


and as for damaging your public image...oh please... freedom fries? blaming Canada for your border security letting terrorists in? invading another nation when the UN told you not to?

whlie what YOU post isnt true

lets PRETEND it is

there is a difference

HERE, ITS AGAINST THE LAW, THEY ARE PROSECUTED AND IMPRISONED

Are they in MOOSEFUCK CUNTRIES? NO, THEY ARE PART AND PARCEL OF THE CULTURE AND LAW!

:rolleyes:
 
You are right on those accounts too


but just because they are arrested still doesnt make them any less intolerant or show that they come from a culture that allows such hatred to germinate


The one thing about being in a democratic nation like yours and mine, is that we have dare I say it, an obligation to be better then those nations that practise these abhorable ways

In doing so, we often have to put up with alot of bullshit in our own right. Look at your fiasco with the Gitmo detainees. You have to make them stand for a fair trial or its a slap in the face for everything your country stands for.

Its a fucked situation, and despite worries to the contrary , those guys wont walk away from a trial scott free..your system can work if you let it
 
You are right on those accounts too


but just because they are arrested still doesnt make them any less intolerant or show that they come from a culture that allows such hatred to germinate.........It means that there are criminals, and such criminals are NOT allowed to get away with such acts. You havent actually shown that in fact it does happen.


The one thing about being in a democratic nation like yours and mine, is that we have dare I say it, an obligation to be better then those nations that practise these abhorable ways

In doing so, we often have to put up with alot of bullshit in our own right. Look at your fiasco with the Gitmo detainees. You have to make them stand for a fair trial or its a slap in the face for everything your country stands for. ..........What fiasco?

Its a fucked situation, and despite worries to the contrary , those guys wont walk away from a trial scott free..your system can work if you let it
you cannot enage in "moral equivalence" when there isnt any, that just shows you dont get it!

it shows you can put a flea on one side of a scale and and 2 elephants on the other side and say

THEY BALANCE!


THEY DONT!
 
I dont have to show that they get away with it, all I have to do is show that there is religous intolerance just as close to home..and it wouldnt exist if we were actually a tolerant continent...because make no mistake, we have the religous fuck nuts up here in the Great White North too

and I was never equating Sharia law with North American public mores...hell..up to 50 years ago, your country looked the other way when black churches were being burned to the ground..and these were your own citizens worshipping the same god..just being a different colour


but let me Just say this as well

America is the (2nd ) best country in the world ( cant top Canada, you just can't) and in ideal espouses allthe great ideals the rest of the world should strive for..but in practise..there are somethings you need to work on, lol
 
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