Suicidal empathy

[icanhelp1]

The term "nationalism" itself has been identified strongly with the extreme version since well before 1939. And it's always been dangerous.

Well you know what version I stand for. AMERICA FIRST!

If my being informed and debunking Dumpington's ever-so-passionately argued horseshit makes me a snob, I plead guilty!

No he didn't. I remember him arguing against abortion...God bless him! You and those with your views argued that abortion was a right. Dump was right. Now, in my state that fucking reprobate Healy signed an E/O allowing for abortion up till birth. I hope that POS rots in hell.

With the exception of ICE, no one is seriously arguing for the elimination of any of those things. I'm sure you're going to respond to this with a laundry list of Democrats who you think called for those things. Odds are they really called for perfectly reasonable reforms and it came across to you as the kind of extremism you're suggesting here. As for ICE, I don't see what's wrong with recognizing that organization is rotten to the core and the best policy is to tear it all down and start over.

These anti-American politicians are in office right now. That makes a difference. And most of it stems from politicians failing to abide by immigration policy. Back in the 90s Obama, Schumer, Clinton, Pelosi, Durbin all agreed that we need to strictly enforce immigration law. Today they're shrinking violets, more concerned about staying in office. That's not patriotism...THAT'S COWARDICE in its purist form. They're too feckless to defend their own party.

The very fact that you consider rent control and progressive taxation outrageous speaks more to your own state of mind than anything else.

Tell it to New Yorkers while there exist a massive migration to more accommodating and business friendly states.

Tax paid != free, and it works for the rest of the civilized world.

No it doesn't work as well as you think. and it won't work in the US. There is a fix but democrats cry Trump want's to cut Medicare and Medicaid. Are you leftist that stupid that you can't see the amount of fraud that exist. Cutting out the fraud is not cutting into these social programs. It insure that the people who qualify are the ones receiving those services. Take Canada for instance, they excel in basic services but after that they're on their own. Wait times for special advanced medical services is crippling. Millions of Canadians don't have PCPs. do your own research.

A humane policy where people are given due process and treated like human beings is not calling for "amnesty for all illegals". But I have never known you to be able to distinguish between the two.

Due process starts in the country of origin or at the border. If their asylum case doesn't get adjudicated on site they wait or they go back. Arguing this point is equivalent to closing the barn door after the horses have left.

What about American citizens who have to wait in huge lines at the emergency rooms. Social services under extreme pressure where American citizens take a back seat because of these reprobate leftist politicians giving Americans a slap down and told to STFU. It's our tax money being used inappropriately.

DSA and others like Omar, jayapal, Tlaib, Cortez to name a few are all calling for full amnesty.

Once again, no one ever called for that.

What some campaign on is equivalent to trashing our constitution.

Nope. I want to see it much better-funded.

Nope, there's plenty of money. The problem is distribution. We spend more per/capita than most industrialized nations on the planet. We need to have education funding spent more efficiently and effectively. My opinion give it direct to the parents/students.

You really, really need to brush up on your definition of "communism".

I'm well aware of what communism is, I use it as a pejorative.

 

[Lazaran]

Suicidal "empathy”: Like "caring" about "THE BABY!!!" while denying contraceptives and access to safe medical abortions to women who don’t want (for various reasons - including rape) to have a child (or ANOTHER child) in a terminally overpopulated world - and then denying those women support when they are FORCED to give birth to a child (or ANOTHER child) in a terminally overpopulated world…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[icanhelp1]

Suicidal "empathy”: Like "caring" about "THE BABY!!!" while denying contraceptives and access to safe medical abortions to women who don’t want (for various reasons - including rape) to have a child (or ANOTHER child) in a terminally overpopulated world - and then denying those women support when they are FORCED to give birth to a child (or ANOTHER child) in a terminally overpopulated world…



We. Told. Them. So.

Suicidal empathy: as in taking in more migrants than our social networks can handle because it feels good but lacks basic common sense and fails to take into consideration Americans are shouldering the cost.

 

[YDB95]

Well you know what version I stand for. AMERICA FIRST!

Kinda hard to miss.

No he didn't. I remember him arguing against abortion...God bless him! You and those with your views argued that abortion was a right. Dump was right.

Dump was rarely right about anything. He was good at exactly one thing: teasing out half-truths and out-of-context facts that supported his argument only if you ignored the rest of the picture, and focusing on those with laserlike intensity. Exactly as you do here:

Now, in my state that fucking reprobate Healy signed an E/O allowing for abortion up till birth.

Technically accurate, but you're conveniently ignoring that the demand for elective third-term abortions is literally absolute zero. There has never been a single documented case of one anywhere. The ONLY time anyone would get an abortion that late is if something has gone horribly wrong and the baby would die and/or the mother would be left infertile or dead. Gov. Healy is simply seeing to it that people living through that nightmare won't have to put up with the likes of you on top of everything else. God bless her.

These anti-American politicians are in office right now. That makes a difference. And most of it stems from politicians failing to abide by immigration policy. Back in the 90s Obama, Schumer, Clinton, Pelosi, Durbin all agreed that we need to strictly enforce immigration law. Today they're shrinking violets, more concerned about staying in office. That's not patriotism...THAT'S COWARDICE in its purist form. They're too feckless to defend their own party.

Not a single one of those Democrats has ever advocated for open borders. You're just confusing reality with Fox News propaganda (but then, you do that almost every time you post here at all).

Tell it to New Yorkers while there exist a massive migration to more accommodating and business friendly states.

There is no such exodus. You really, really need to turn off Fox News already.

No it doesn't work as well as you think. and it won't work in the US.

I'm an American now living in Australia. I've been on both sides of that line. I haven't got the foggiest idea what makes you think it "doesn't work as well as think." Here's what I do know: the last time I was in the ER (about a year ago, with the worst stomach flu I've ever had), I was there for about three hours. I got anti-nauseal meds and some bloodwork to see if I had an infection. When the bloodwork came back clean, the doctor told me I was good to go. My wife asked where she should go to settle the bill, and the doctor replied, "What bill?" Hundreds of miles from home and with no appointment, our Medicare (Australia has Medicare for all) covered every cent. Around the same time, a friend of mine in New York had essentially the same illness and spent about the same amount of time in the ER. Months later, she was still battling with her insurance company over a bill for over $2,000. The hospital had offered to settle with her for $800 if she could pay upfront, but she couldn't because she was out of work at the time. That is what you are defending here.

There is a fix but democrats cry Trump want's to cut Medicare and Medicaid.

Even if you were right here (huge if), it's a classic boy who cried wolf situation. The Republicans have always hated Medicare and Medicaid. Your patron saint, Ronald Reagan, participated in a successful campaign to block Medicare four years before it was ultimately passed, and he tried to cut it once he was in office. Now, I don't know enough about what Trump is up to regarding Medicare at the moment to comment (and frankly, I doubt if Trump himself understands it either), but the accusation certainly passes the smell test.

Are you leftist that stupid that you can't see the amount of fraud that exist.

This would carry a lot more weight if not for the fact that the beneficiary of the biggest Medicare fraud case in history is now a Republican senator from Florida. But I digress. The long and short of it is, there is NO evidence that fraud is so rampant that eliminating it would solve everything. Besides, eliminating fraud would require a governmental watchdog group with some actual teeth, something your side always argues against.

Cutting out the fraud is not cutting into these social programs. It insure that the people who qualify are the ones receiving those services. Take Canada for instance, they excel in basic services but after that they're on their own. Wait times for special advanced medical services is crippling. Millions of Canadians don't have PCPs. do your own research.

I don't need to do any research; I have friends and family in Canada and I've heard their stories. Their system isn't perfect either. But it's a damn sight better than putting profit above people's health, like the US system does.

Due process starts in the country of origin or at the border. If their asylum case doesn't get adjudicated on site they wait or they go back. Arguing this point is equivalent to closing the barn door after the horses have left.

If I didn't know better, I'd think you were agreeing that ICE and its Gestapo-like tactics are unacceptable. We all know the likelier explanation is you're simply choosing to ignore that part of the issue. I would too if I were on your side.

What about American citizens who have to wait in huge lines at the emergency rooms.

Due mostly if not entirely to decades of people like you fighting tooth and nail against any sort of health care reform whatsoever. But it's so much easier to just blame it on immigrants, now isn't it?

Social services under extreme pressure where American citizens take a back seat because of these reprobate leftist politicians giving Americans a slap down and told to STFU. It's our tax money being used inappropriately.

Well, it would be if that were really happening anyway.

DSA and others like Omar, jayapal, Tlaib, Cortez to name a few are all calling for full amnesty.

DSA holds no office. The four you mention, besides the fact that they're longstanding bogeywomen for just about everything on the right, you haven't shown any examples of them actually saying what you claim. I find it far likelier that they called for reasonable handling of immigrants' cases and treating them like human beings as opposed to shipping them off to El Salvador or Uganda, and that sounds to you like "calling for full amnesty". You do have a long history of such things.

What some campaign on is equivalent to trashing our constitution.

No, it isn't. It might sound that way to people who know nothing about Constitutional law, but that's not the same thing.

Nope, there's plenty of money. The problem is distribution. We spend more per/capita than most industrialized nations on the planet.

You appear to be assuming that spending is even across all school districts. That's not even close to the truth.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Jesus. Is it really that important? Lol.

 

[YDB95]

Jesus. Is it really that important? Lol.

In a word, yes. When propaganda goes unchecked, people fall for it.

 

[Saint_Ann]

In a word, yes. When propaganda goes unchecked, people fall for it.

Nobody is gonna read all of that. Lol.

 

[YDB95]

Nobody is gonna read all of that. Lol.

Well, I have little doubt you won't bother.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Well, I have little doubt you won't bother.

Well, I have little doubt you won't bother.

Is it good stuff?

 

[icanhelp1]

Kinda hard to miss.

Dump was rarely right about anything. He was good at exactly one thing: teasing out half-truths and out-of-context facts that supported his argument only if you ignored the rest of the picture, and focusing on those with laserlike intensity. Exactly as you do here:


Technically accurate, but you're conveniently ignoring that the demand for elective third-term abortions is literally absolute zero. There has never been a single documented case of one anywhere. The ONLY time anyone would get an abortion that late is if something has gone horribly wrong and the baby would die and/or the mother would be left infertile or dead. Gov. Healy is simply seeing to it that people living through that nightmare won't have to put up with the likes of you on top of everything else. God bless her.

https://prcgr.org/late-term-abortions-are-not-medically-necessary/

According to the Guttmaucher Institute, only 1% of abortions happen after 20 weeks of gestation. While that may not seem like a significant amount, that equates to about 10,000-15,000 pregnancies every year. Although they are far less common, late term abortions are important to talk about. They are extremely dangerous and expensive, significantly less effective and often performed because the woman feels like she has no other choice.

Healy’s E/O sets a new precedent.

Not a single one of those Democrats has ever advocated for open borders. You're just confusing reality with Fox News propaganda (but then, you do that almost every time you post here at all).

Failure to act on rampant migration is equivalent to advocacy. Actions speak louder than words.

There is no such exodus. You really, really need to turn off Fox News already.

Search assisted;

Yes, New York is experiencing a measured, ongoing migration of high-net-worth individuals and a geographic expansion of certain corporate footprints to lower-tax states like Florida and Texas, though experts debate whether it constitutes a catastrophic "exodus" or a gradual shift. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Wealth and Taxpayer Shifts

• • Decline in Share of Wealth: Studies (such as analysis from the Citizen Budget Commission) indicate New York’s share of the national millionaire population dropped from roughly 12.7% down to 8.7% over a multi-year span, contributing to billions in lagging tax revenues. [1, 2]
  • Destination States: Outflowing residents and wealth primarily target zero-income-tax states like Floridaand Texas, lured by lower costs of living and business-friendly policies. [1, 2]

I'm an American now living in Australia. I've been on both sides of that line. I haven't got the foggiest idea what makes you think it "doesn't work as well as think." Here's what I do know: the last time I was in the ER (about a year ago, with the worst stomach flu I've ever had), I was there for about three hours. I got anti-nauseal meds and some bloodwork to see if I had an infection. When the bloodwork came back clean, the doctor told me I was good to go. My wife asked where she should go to settle the bill, and the doctor replied, "What bill?" Hundreds of miles from home and with no appointment, our Medicare (Australia has Medicare for all) covered every cent. Around the same time, a friend of mine in New York had essentially the same illness and spent about the same amount of time in the ER. Months later, she was still battling with her insurance company over a bill for over $2,000. The hospital had offered to settle with her for $800 if she could pay upfront, but she couldn't because she was out of work at the time. That is what you are defending here.

You proved my point. Less complex medical issues are handled competently. It’s when you get to advanced medical procedures is where it fails. Once again you choose exception over the rule.

Even if you were right here (huge if), it's a classic boy who cried wolf situation. The Republicans have always hated Medicare and Medicaid. Your patron saint, Ronald Reagan, participated in a successful campaign to block Medicare four years before it was ultimately passed, and he tried to cut it once he was in office. Now, I don't know enough about what Trump is up to regarding Medicare at the moment to comment (and frankly, I doubt if Trump himself understands it either), but the accusation certainly passes the smell test.

Republicans refused to subsidize the middle man for hundreds of billions of dollars, Dems shut the government down for weeks.

This would carry a lot more weight if not for the fact that the beneficiary of the biggest Medicare fraud case in history is now a Republican senator from Florida. But I digress. The long and short of it is, there is NO evidence that fraud is so rampant that eliminating it would solve everything. Besides, eliminating fraud would require a governmental watchdog group with some actual teeth, something your side always argues against.

I don't need to do any research; I have friends and family in Canada and I've heard their stories. Their system isn't perfect either. But it's a damn sight better than putting profit above people's health, like the US system does.

If I didn't know better, I'd think you were agreeing that ICE and its Gestapo-like tactics are unacceptable. We all know the likelier explanation is you're simply choosing to ignore that part of the issue. I would too if I were on your side.

Due mostly if not entirely to decades of people like you fighting tooth and nail against any sort of health care reform whatsoever. But it's so much easier to just blame it on immigrants, now isn't it?


Well, it would be if that were really happening anyway.

DSA holds no office. The four you mention, besides the fact that they're longstanding bogeywomen for just about everything on the right, you haven't shown any examples of them actually saying what you claim. I find it far likelier that they called for reasonable handling of immigrants' cases and treating them like human beings as opposed to shipping them off to El Salvador or Uganda, and that sounds to you like "calling for full amnesty". You do have a long history of such things.

No, it isn't. It might sound that way to people who know nothing about Constitutional law, but that's not the same thing.

You appear to be assuming that spending is even across all school districts. That's not even close to the truth.

 

[Rebel5soul]

https://prcgr.org/late-term-abortions-are-not-medically-necessary/

According to the Guttmaucher Institute, only 1% of abortions happen after 20 weeks of gestation. While that may not seem like a significant amount, that equates to about 10,000-15,000 pregnancies every year. Although they are far less common, late term abortions are important to talk about. They are extremely dangerous and expensive, significantly less effective and often performed because the woman feels like she has no other choice.

Healy’s E/O sets a new precedent.

Failure to act on rampant migration is equivalent to advocacy. Actions speak louder than words.

Search assisted;

Yes, New York is experiencing a measured, ongoing migration of high-net-worth individuals and a geographic expansion of certain corporate footprints to lower-tax states like Florida and Texas, though experts debate whether it constitutes a catastrophic "exodus" or a gradual shift. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Wealth and Taxpayer Shifts

• • Decline in Share of Wealth: Studies (such as analysis from the Citizen Budget Commission) indicate New York’s share of the national millionaire population dropped from roughly 12.7% down to 8.7% over a multi-year span, contributing to billions in lagging tax revenues. [1, 2]
  • Destination States: Outflowing residents and wealth primarily target zero-income-tax states like Floridaand Texas, lured by lower costs of living and business-friendly policies. [1, 2]

You proved my point. Less complex medical issues are handled competently. It’s when you get to advanced medical procedures is where it fails. Once again you choose exception over the rule.

Republicans refused to subsidize the middle man for hundreds of billions of dollars, Dems shut the government down for weeks.

Shit for brains comment on Reagan and Medicare is an outright lie. Reagan had nothing to do with blocking Medicare, Reagan wasn't even in National office when Medicare/Medicaid were enacted.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Shit for brains comment on Reagan and Medicare is an outright lie. Reagan had nothing to do with blocking Medicare, Reagan wasn't even in National office when Medicare/Medicaid were enacted.

Bend they knee to Teh Narrative or forfeit the head.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Bend they knee to Teh Narrative or forfeit the head.

When lies become truth freedom dies.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

When lies become truth freedom dies.

The Goebbels school of Misinformation As "Fact."


They won't even question differing thoughts but simply reject it out of hand.


Don't get it . . . .

 

[ll74]

The Goebbels school of Misinformation As "Fact."


They won't even question differing thoughts but simply reject it out of hand.


Don't get it . . . .

82% miscarriage rate.

Did you question that?

 

[YDB95]

https://prcgr.org/late-term-abortions-are-not-medically-necessary/

According to the Guttmaucher Institute, only 1% of abortions happen after 20 weeks of gestation. While that may not seem like a significant amount, that equates to about 10,000-15,000 pregnancies every year. Although they are far less common, late term abortions are important to talk about. They are extremely dangerous and expensive, significantly less effective and often performed because the woman feels like she has no other choice.

1. You're moving the goalposts. Above, we were talking about third trimester abortions. Here you're referring to 20 weeks, or the second trimester. Even your own propaganda doesn't bother with the third trimester numbers.
2. You still haven't posted any evidence that such abortions are elective.

Healy’s E/O sets a new precedent.

For providing grieving couples with the knowledge that at least they won't run into any legal roadblocks that could make an already tragic situation worse? I sure hope so!

Failure to act on rampant migration is equivalent to advocacy. Actions speak louder than words.

You're entitled to your opinion. But that's still not the same as actually calling for open borders. Besides, there's no real evidence that immigrants are clogging up our social services (most of which you oppose even for Americans anyway as far as I can tell - at the very least, you support politicians who oppose them).

You proved my point. Less complex medical issues are handled competently. It’s when you get to advanced medical procedures is where it fails. Once again you choose exception over the rule.

For all the criticisms I've heard from Canadians, Australians, etc., I've never heard any of them say they were unable to get what could reasonably be called "advanced medical procedures". I have heard that plenty of times from Americans, on the grounds that their insurance refused to cover the procedures.

Shit for brains comment on Reagan and Medicare is an outright lie. Reagan had nothing to do with blocking Medicare, Reagan wasn't even in National office when Medicare/Medicaid were enacted.

It is genuinely amazing how often you call your opponents "shit for brains" and then follow that immediately with something that shows you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about. Yes, Reagan was involved in a successful campaign to block Medicare in 1961. It was enacted in 1965, on the second try.
https://www*******meded.com/blog/a-...tart-and-changed-american-health-care-forever

 

[Rebel5soul]

It is genuinely amazing how often you call your opponents "shit for brains" and then follow that immediately with something that shows you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about. Yes, Reagan was involved in a successful campaign to block Medicare in 1961. It was enacted in 1965, on the second try.
https://www*******meded.com/blog/a-...tart-and-changed-american-health-care-forever

OK shit for brains, Reagan expressed an opinion, he had NOTHING to do with blocking any passage.

You aren't a political opponent............you're a liar.

 

[Lazaran]

OK shit for brains, Reagan expressed an opinion, he had NOTHING to do with blocking any passage.

You aren't a political opponent............you're a liar.

Racist5soul aka Shit4brains "thinks" their lack of reading comprehension justifies calling YDB95 “a liar”…



Racist5soul aka Shit4brains



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[HisArpy]

The Goebbels school of Misinformation As "Fact."


They won't even question differing thoughts but simply reject it out of hand.


Don't get it . . . .

It's because not only are they mentally inept for lack of use, they're lazy SOB's too.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

It's because not only are they mentally inept for lack of use, they're lazy SOB's too.

Not sure whether to laugh, cry, or projectile vomit. And they claim to be citizens of the same country as I.

 

[HisArpy]

Not sure whether to laugh, cry, or projectile vomit. And they claim to be citizens of the same country as I.

Takers, not do-ers.

I think that's called 3rd wave citizens.

First wave are the explorers.
Second wave are the colonists.
Third wave are those who come along after everything is settled so they can reap the benefits of those who came before without risking anything to get it.

 

[icanhelp1]

1. You're moving the goalposts. Above, we were talking about third trimester abortions. Here you're referring to 20 weeks, or the second trimester. Even your own propaganda doesn't bother with the third trimester numbers.
2. You still haven't posted any evidence that such abortions are elective.



For providing grieving couples with the knowledge that at least they won't run into any legal roadblocks that could make an already tragic situation worse? I sure hope so!

You're entitled to your opinion. But that's still not the same as actually calling for open borders. Besides, there's no real evidence that immigrants are clogging up our social services (most of which you oppose even for Americans anyway as far as I can tell - at the very least, you support politicians who oppose them).

For all the criticisms I've heard from Canadians, Australians, etc., I've never heard any of them say they were unable to get what could reasonably be called "advanced medical procedures". I have heard that plenty of times from Americans, on the grounds that their insurance refused to cover the procedures.


It is genuinely amazing how often you call your opponents "shit for brains" and then follow that immediately with something that shows you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about. Yes, Reagan was involved in a successful campaign to block Medicare in 1961. It was enacted in 1965, on the second try.
https://www*******meded.com/blog/a-...tart-and-changed-american-health-care-forever

It didn't narrow it down to 20 weeks it read starting at 20 weeks. The precedent is making it legal to kill a baby, a viable fetus.

 

[ll74]

How many people have suicidal empathy towards dear leader?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Takers, not do-ers.

I think that's called 3rd wave citizens.

First wave are the explorers.
Second wave are the colonists.
Third wave are those who come along after everything is settled so they can reap the benefits of those who came before without risking anything to get it.

Interesting, and somewhat akin to Teh Famileh Bizness. Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations. The first work in their shirtsleeves (and vests) to start and build the thing, the second continues and is able to appear suited - more high-faluting - and probably can join the cunt-ry club, and the third inherit, has no appreciation, and bleeds it dry, losing the suits in the process. Sans vests.


Ours seems closer to boarder jumpers than third wave to me.

 

[ll74]

Interesting, and somewhat akin to Teh Famileh Bizness. Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations. The first work in their shirtsleeves (and vests) to start and build the thing, the second continues and is able to appear suited - more high-faluting - and probably can join the cunt-ry club, and the third inherent, has no appreciation, and bleeds it dry, losing the suits in the process. Sans vests.


Ours seems closer to boarder jumpers than third wave to me.