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Quint said:I think I'd be pretty freaking creative, heavy on the mindfuckery and humiliation. Hell, I think about the psychology of tops all the time...I gotta have SOMEthing going for me! The only problem I would think would be in the transitions...if I get bored or something doesn't have the desired effect, I don't have enough practical experience to know where to go from there.
catalina_francisco said:PS. As a note to the subs who declare they would hate it, fail miserably etc.,....be careful your Dominant does not read it as if they are anything like a certain man here it would be irresistable to them to use it to stretch you into areas you hadn't planned on....and not accept a half hearted and/or preconceived approach into the bargain!!
sunfox said:I showed the thread, and my answer, to C, and he says that he wouldn't have any desire to put me in a position where I am likely to fail, because of the effect it would have on my trust in him and on my thoughts about my own place in our relationship.
Both of us like to push limits, and to explore new things. But there are new things, and then there are things that will make me stress and pick myself apart, and potentially swing into a depressed stage in my mind.. and that is not at all desirable to him.
What would be a great push for some is destructive to others.
catalina_francisco said:True, and when it was demanded of me I went into a tailspin and depressive state...but then he pointed out it was not up to me to pick and choose what I was willing to do or not do as part of my submission, I was to live up to my vow to do my best in whatever he asked of me and in so doing make him proud. He also highlighted how I had used my strength in life to overcome some usually thought insurmountable challenges. I took the time to reflect on what he had said and decided he was right in thinking I was choosing to try and opt out of this simply because I didn't think it was relevant or acceptable...what I thought was of no consequence. He also used it as a way of demonstrating how pride can get in the way of submission....that being my pride in what I saw as pure submission which was effectively shown to me to be defective if I was not willing to even consider his request, nor put all my skills and energy into performing that which he asked of me.
Through the thought process I began to see it for what it was, a task he wished me to perform and do well at simply because he asked it of me....then I began to use my experience as a submissive to tap into just how I was going to succeed and not make him feel apologetic about my efforts, nor that I wasn't up to fulfilling some of his requests. He also emphasised that failure could only be measured IHO in if I refused to even give it a try, not on the level of success with which I carried it off. The end result was as he had wished....lol, though he admitted I did a lot better than he had expected. He wished me to not just submit from a position of saying I am a submissive and only focusing on that angle while mentally stamping my feet and stubbornly refusing to perform, but to begin to relate to the part the Dominant plays apart from the obvious, to experience some of the things he does as a Dominant, to appreciate what it was we both brought to the interaction and relationship. It was extremely effective in doing that and highlighted many things which before had just not been a focus of my thought processes to a great deal....IOW, it took some of the focus off what I wanted, what I felt, what I needed, what I thought, and renewed my passion for submitting to his will, his needs, his dominance over my own wishes and desires. It is a lesson which I hope to repeat from time to time like a refresher course, and through which I hope to deepen my submission and ability to please.
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.sunfox said:I don't disagree that for you in your relationship, it was an excellent eye opener, and a good experience for you that deepened your understanding and submission to Francisco.
For me, however, it would largely serve to make me miserable, second guessing myself and feeling inadequate, which is a big problem of mine anyway. Avoiding situations where I am put into a position to wound myself with my poor opinion of my performance is something C prefers to do... my submission is important to me and to him both, but my mental health and happiness is even more important.
There are plenty of tasks I dislike but am perfectly capable of doing that push my limits.. things I don't -want- to do, but am only digging in my heels on that are constructive limits to be broken. As any good Dominant should do, C is very perceptive in seeing which things are just me being stubborn or annoyed or pissy, and which things will break the person inside the submissive for a long time, if not forever.