Submissive contract?

[Waterproof]

I don't post here often but read regularly. My wife and I decided to bring a submissive lady into our house for sexual play. She is going to be an exclusive submissive to my wife and I and whoever I say for her to be with. The realm of the sexual relationship is going to pretty much cover the spectrum of play from Bondage to Pain, from Light Teasing to Large Object Insertion, Forced Sex (with safe word) to Whipping.

Here is the question. We are looking for a submissive contract for our playmate to sign to protect all of us. Protect us so that if something happens she can't accuse of us rape, and to protect her so that if something happens and we do step out of line she has a way to protect herself also. Does anyone have any information on those or even any examples of ones that you have yourselves? We would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you in advance.

 

[CutieMouse]

Here's a link about slave/submissive contracts and the law. Off the top of my head it's all I could find/think of.

http://www.soulshaven.f2s.com/gen_contractsandlaw.php3

 

[Waterproof]

Thank you very much I will check that out and see what it will do for us. Any other suggestions from other people are welcome also.

 

[Waterproof]

Thank you again Cutie mouse that answered some of my questions.

Is there anyone that has an example of an existing contract that is already written. If you contact me I will give you my email address to send it to.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Etoile]

Please be aware that no contract any of you sign will protect you and your wife against a rape charge in an American court of law.

 

[jdmct]

charges

Etoile,
So beautiful and so well informed

 

[Waterproof]

I know nothing is bullet proof protection but some protection is still better then others. However for your information also there IS case law that is on the books about sexual contracts and how they show desire and intent. Also here is a little section from the website Cutie Mouse pointed me too.

In a case that came up after writing this article, a woman who apparently consented to fairly heavy S/M and then later claimed it was abuse had the charges she levelled against her former Dom dismissed. The contract itself was not formally admitted as evidence but aspects of it were used as part of forming a general image of her having given her consent. The safewords that her contract gave her were not used and the injuries she had (from branding amongst other things) indicated that neither he was in the rage she maintained nor that she attempted to struggle. While this does not lend any particular legal credability to a slave document, it does imply that it is possible (in some areas at least) for consent to be brought in to consideration in borderline cases.

It is not 100% protection but it shows that there is consent to some levels. That is much better then a he said she said arguement.

 

[catalina_francisco]

True, but also be careful of information you get from the net as it can often be misleading or false. At this point in time, SM and consensual BDSM is not hugely accepted by law as a consensual act, at least not in places like the US. Also much like the rape laws, just because you date a person or consent at some point to sex, the law does not usually agree then that you were not entitled to change your mind and have it honoured by your partner/s. If a sub wanted to charge you with rape or assault, this argument could be used effectively, especially with jurors etc., who either had no understanding of BDSM or saw it as something questionable and sick. Waving a homemade contract at them is likely to not hold much water.

Catalina

 

[Etoile]

a sub wanted to charge you with rape or assault, this argument could be used effectively, especially with jurors etc., who either had no understanding of BDSM or saw it as something questionable and sick. Waving a homemade contract at them

Indeed, that was the jury's perception in the Susan Anton (Delia Day) murder case from late 2003. The details are sketchy, but it is generally believed (or generally suspected, anyway) that the jury took her M/s lifestyle into consideration and determined that she shot him in self-defense. I'm not sure if the Antons had a contract or not, but the jury definitely lacked an understanding of BDSM and our versions of consent.

 

[Liana26]

I've been wondering for a good month or two whether bdsm contracts were legally binding. Thank you.

 

[fallon2]

I have never

used a contract. I have found that regular discussion between the two of us negated the need for a contract.
Just my two cents!

 

[mitchell67]

re: law and lawless

A contract can be a great tool for negotiating and discussing issues beforehand but never expect it to save your ass in a criminal trial.

 

[SkyBluAngelEyes]

This is of course, JMHO, but I don't think such a contract exists. What you may view as forced sex (Even with a safeword) she might construe as rape. Large Object Insertion can also be construed as rape. Whipping can be viewed as abuse.

I think what would be best is communicating between all parties. Long before you get together in a session or scene setting. Respect goes both ways and also, communication does wonders. We never had a contract, although we printed out a contract and discussed all attributes associated with it, but talking about our wants and desires did wonders for our relationship.

Good luck to you and your wife! I hope this turns out to be wonderful for all three of you.

 

[SweetSurrendered1]

I agree with everyone else has said but here is a website that talks about how to set up a contract and has some sample contracts (among many other topics, although this is the contract specific page):
http://castlerealm.com/library/contract101.shtml

 

[Etoile]

This is of course, JMHO, but I don't think such a contract exists. What you may view as forced sex (Even with a safeword) she might construe as rape. Large Object Insertion can also be construed as rape. Whipping can be viewed as abuse.

There is such a thing as a contract between partners; they're actually pretty common in some circles. It's unlikely that the submissive would view "forced sex" as rape if she is expecting to get into rape play, which she certainly should be if they've negotiated beforehand. Same for inserting big things in little holes. I don't think it's a difference between their viewpoints during play, but rather what should happen if there is a breakup and legality enters into it.

Incidentally, and I've been meaning to say this for a while, being submissive to "whoever you say for her to be with" is pretty heavy stuff. Many couples (or triads) never do this, and giving somebody away - even temporarily - can cause some serious emotional issues.