sub or slug ?

[PyroDemon]

Okay, lately I have seen alot of posts by subs that are just getting to be bothersome . It seems that there is this idea that if you are a sub you lose all ability to think for yourself. There is a big difference between submission and not thinking. I personally could not live a day with a wet noodle sub that could not think for herself. and alot of not thinking for ones self is laziness. I definately want a thinking sub, not a slug.

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[pandoravampire]

I think (see, no slug here!) that from a psychological profile, there are some personality types, namely Dependant Personality Disorder, where per capita you will find more submissives, than in the general population.
Then there are the non personality disordered people who are damaged from life and its blows. But from what ive seen of the Dom world, thats a good thing. For every non thinking slug, there is a useless Dom who is challenged by them, see everyone is happy!

How about your assessment skills? Im sure any interactions with such a person will let slip, how dependant needy or dumb these potentials are? From that assessment, the Dom/me may decide if to engage or not. If you do find that youve engaged the services of a slug, then perhaps the question should be why? What does that say about the Dom/me and their style of dominance?
Thankyou but no thankyou, is not rocket science is it?

 

[incubus'_sub]

Oh, hell, I seem to be thinking too, shame on me.

If my memory serves correctly, discussions on this topic have brought comments from Doms saying they prefer their subs to have their own minds. I don't recall even one who wished for a robotic service slave (prefer that term to slug LOL).

Now, I know the board has some members who do believe that they better serve their Masters by being, well, mindless about every big & little issue, completely obedient in every single way. Does anyone know where this idea came from? It doesn't appear to be the wish of any of our known Doms, so is it desire that comes only from the sub and why do they get the idea that this is how it's done in the real B&D world?

 

[NCShin]

I think that *some* subs LIKE to stop thinking while they are subbing.

I haven't pushed too hard on my sub's limits yet, but I also haven't had a single thing that I've told her to do that she hasn't done without even a second thought.

Is she a slug?? hell no!

 

[sunfox]

I think that *some* subs LIKE to stop thinking while they are subbing.

I haven't pushed too hard on my sub's limits yet, but I also haven't had a single thing that I've told her to do that she hasn't done without even a second thought.

Is she a slug?? hell no!

There's rather a large gulf of difference between obeying your Dominant like your example, and expecting him to choose what color panties you'll be wearing on any given day for the rest of your life.

I respect and appreciate C's commands, and I have had no need to question any of them yet. But neither do I or he expect that he should personally make every choice that could ever be presented to me in the course of my life... which is more the topic as I understand it.

 

[incubus'_sub]

I think that this post was a bit of an offshoot from the other one about voting.

I don't disobey my Master either & would do as he ordered within the confines of our B&D relationship. Then again, that relationship does not extend to every tiny detail of daily life, although we live together.

I also like to stop thinking & do as I'm bid during scenes, play & on display, but if you don't mind me asking, how far into everyday life do your demands intrude apon her?

 

[Xelebes]

I like being a slug!

*drags body around, leaving slime on the floor*

 

[sunfox]

I like being a slug!

*drags body around, leaving slime on the floor*

*sneakily sprinkles salt on Xelebes*

 

[Desdemona]

Personally, I think the slug variety subs have spent too damn much time reading erotica and not enough time in the real D/s world. Their loss. Opinionated bitch, aren't I? LOL

 

[A Desert Rose]

Personally, I think the slug variety subs have spent too damn much time reading erotica and not enough time in the real D/s world. Their loss. Opinionated bitch, aren't I? LOL

Oh but... it's soooo good to see you posting again!!!!!

Missed you here.

 

[Desdemona]

Oh but... it's soooo good to see you posting again!!!!!

Missed you here.

I'm back... at least for a while. Wanna kick ass and take names?

 

[A Desert Rose]

!!!!!!!

I'm back... at least for a while. Wanna kick ass and take names?

Yes!!!!

LOL

I'm game.

 

[ownedsubgal]

truly, i don't think that there are that many "slug" type submissives out there. it's rather difficult to be naturally submissive, yet lazy. however i do think that there is a strong distaste in certain places (this board being one of them) by the general populace towards submissives who are submissive beyond a "scene" or beyond sexuality. i could be completely off-base here, but i think that when many here read about a submissive who does not have certain rights because her Master has denied them....who obeys their Master regardless, who does not put themselves and their own well being first, that they are thought to be a mindless, "robotic", nonthinking slug type person.

putting one's Master first in all things, and always being obedient, hardly equates to being a mindless robot. personally, i do entirely too much thinking...i'm always worrying over something, or analyzing the whys and hows of something. the difference is, my thinking does not change my behavior, it does not change the way i serve. few Masters desire a sub or slave who just does not think whatsoever. but many do indeed desire a sub or slave who knows how to put those things aside til the appropriate time and/or place, so that they can serve to the fullest.


(edited to try and correct some errors)

 

[catalina_francisco]

I'm back... at least for a while. Wanna kick ass and take names?

Have to echo ADR....good to see you fiesty and posting.

Catalina

 

[Desdemona]

Re: !!!!!!!

Yes!!!!

LOL

I'm game.

You start and I'll help. (I admit, I'm out of practice) LOL.

 

[Desdemona]

Have to echo ADR....good to see you fiesty and posting.

Catalina

Thanks my friend. I do feel fiesty today. It's a nice change.

 

[sunfox]

however i do think that there is a strong distaste in certain places (this board being one of them) by the general popular for submissives who are submissive beyond a "scene" or beyond sexuality. i could be completely off-base here, but i think that when many here read about a submissive who does not have certain rights because her Master has denied them, who obeys their Master regardless, who does not put themselves and their own well being first, that is thought to be a mindless, "robotic", nonthinking slug type person.

Okay... it has to be said that some things never change.

OSG, for someone whose entire goal, supposedly, is her 'natural submissiveness' to her Master... you spend a lot of time tearing other people down because they don't fit your idea of what is right and perfect in a sub. The simple fact is, just because someone on here doesn't spend all their time thumping their bible about how much they grovel at their Master's feet, pondering more selfless ways to lick his/her feet, doesn't mean that their submission isn't their entire life.

And -I- could be completely off base here, but I seriously doubt it. I find it pretty seriously insulting the way that you pigeonhole everyone on this board who isn't exactly like you... it's short-sighted, untrue, and lamentably ill-conceived.. not to mention arrogant and rude.

But that's just what I see.

 

[sunfox]

Not feeling very sluglike myself today, obviously.

 

[ownedsubgal]

Okay... it has to be said that some things never change.

OSG, for someone whose entire goal, supposedly, is her 'natural submissiveness' to her Master... you spend a lot of time tearing other people down because they don't fit your idea of what is right and perfect in a sub. The simple fact is, just because someone on here doesn't spend all their time thumping their bible about how much they grovel at their Master's feet, pondering more selfless ways to lick his/her feet, doesn't mean that their submission isn't their entire life.

And -I- could be completely off base here, but I seriously doubt it. I find it pretty seriously insulting the way that you pigeonhole everyone on this board who isn't exactly like you... it's short-sighted, untrue, and lamentably ill-conceived.. not to mention arrogant and rude.

But that's just what I see.

sunfox, i haven't tried to pigeonhole anyone. i think most here state pretty clearly and proudly how they submit, which is a good thing. i find it insulting the way SOME here throw around labels of doormat, robot, mindless (and those are the nicer terms) to describe anyone who submits beyond a bdsm scene or sexuality. that is not a false or arrogant judgement on my part, it's a reality...that is the way SOME look at it. you state that you don't use the toilet without your Master's permission (or whatever) and they see...mindless robotic blow-up doll. those sorts of judgements touch a nerve in me, i admit, so i feel the need to defend ways that may not be so popular or universally accepted.

i think there's room enough in this world and on this board for more than one or two kinds of submissives to interact and get along nicely, without anyone putting anyone else or their ways down.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Back peddling... you need more practice at it.

 

[littlegirlslut]

truly, i don't think that there are that many "slug" type submissives out there. it's rather difficult to be naturally submissive, yet lazy. however i do think that there is a strong distaste in certain places (this board being one of them) by the general popular for submissives who are submissive beyond a "scene" or beyond sexuality. i could be completely off-base here, but i think that when many here read about a submissive who does not have certain rights because her Master has denied them, who obeys their Master regardless, who does not put themselves and their own well being first, that is thought to be a mindless, "robotic", nonthinking slug type person.

We won't worry about the grammatical errors in this post, which I am trying hard not to correct.

OSG - This may be completely off base because I'm new to this, however I have read enough to know that it seems you are off base. To each their own, especially in their personal life. If people want to willingly consent control to their Master so be it. I would hope, and it has been my experience, that their Master would have their best interest, safety and well being in mind at all times. There are things in my daily life that I wouldn't mind not having to make the choice about, what panties to wear, if I normally wore them, what clothes to wear, i hate picky out what I wear, what to cook for dinner... who cares? I would not think that Master would choose something I hated because a happy sub is a willing sub. I have enough choices and decisions to make outside the home that if He wants to choose those things for me go for it. He does however expect me to have a brain, or He wouldn't be talking to me at all. Btw I'm not a slave. Right now it seems i'm a piss poor student who forgets to say Sir.

I don't know about you or anyone else on this board, but it seems the ultimate goal of most people is happiness. The decision is theirs as far as where happiness can be found. But all of that is just my humble opinion.

 

[shy slave]

Puts hand in fire

I must see different words on the screen to some people.

i read osg's response not as one which knocks subs who think; but actually says she too thinks about her life and her submissiveness

Quote from osg i do entirely too much thinking...i'm always worrying over something, or analyzing the whys and hows of something. the difference is, my thinking does not change my behavior, it does not change the way i serve.

Where does that say she expects anyone to agree/disagree or fit into her lifestyle

I am equally aware osg does not need me or anyone else to fight her corner and this is not the intention of this post.

Instead i am trying to understand how people have interpretated osg's words.

On Lit it seems (as a generalisation) that subs think and analyse a great deal.
How that affects our behaviour is a different issue.

Putting a case forward for changes does not mean change will occur. The PYL has the final say.


It reminds me of the old phrase
"You can lead a horse to water, but can't make it think"

Or the the slightly newer phrase
"You can lead a whore 't culture, but you can't make here think."

(An answer put forward in a class who were asked to make a sentance using the word 'horticulture.')

 

[littlegirlslut]

After However...

For me what she says after however, "however i do think that there is a strong distaste in certain places (this board being one of them) by the general popular for submissives who are submissive beyond a "scene" or beyond sexuality," that irks me. If those are her views that is fine.

I would say that if the person is posting on Lit, they have a brain and use it at least to some degree.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Puts hand in fire

I must see different words on the screen to some people.

i read osg's response not as one which knocks subs who think; but actually says she too thinks about her life and her submissiveness

Quote from osg i do entirely too much thinking...i'm always worrying over something, or analyzing the whys and hows of something. the difference is, my thinking does not change my behavior, it does not change the way i serve.

Where does that say she expects anyone to agree/disagree or fit into her lifestyle

I am equally aware osg does not need me or anyone else to fight her corner and this is not the intention of this post.

Instead i am trying to understand how people have interpretated osg's words.

On Lit it seems (as a generalisation) that subs think and analyse a great deal.
How that affects our behaviour is a different issue.

Putting a case forward for changes does not mean change will occur. The PYL has the final say.


It reminds me of the old phrase
"You can lead a horse to water, but can't make it think"

Or the the slightly newer phrase
"You can lead a whore 't culture, but you can't make here think."

(An answer put forward in a class who were asked to make a sentance using the word 'horticulture.')

I've been around here and read plenty of her posts. This is how she "presents" herself.

I will no longer be brow beaten by her because I don't live my life as a true submissive in her eyes. She comes out and makes these statements about those of us who don't live like she does and then she comes back and tries to backpeddle her way out of it. This is old hat to many of us here.

I don't fall for it anymore. I couldn't give a shit less how she lives. That's her business. But she has no right to chastise me for not living like she does.