Straight girls; lesbian lovin

[Lucifer_Carroll]

So, it's the generalizer and not the generalizee that is to blame for the generalization?

Is it the responsibility of a) women not matching the stereotype targeted by misogynists or b) misogynists, that are responsiblr for misogynism?

Just askin'.

Misogynists, but they're fuckers and unlikely to change. And when those misogynists co-opt a sex to the degree that male sexists have co-opted the male sex than yes, it is up to those of the male sex that aren't enshittened to reconquer their sex and be decent ambassadors.

Furthermore, it's not asking for much. If you're not a sexist, how hard is it to not be a sexist? If you're not an asshole, how hard is it to ask you to not be an asshole?

If the female sex was as conquered and as filled with monsters as our sex is now, then yes, I would ask the same things of the good members of their sex.

 

[Liar]

If the female sex was as conquered and as filled with monsters as our sex is now, then yes, I would ask the same things of the good members of their sex.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. We populate different realms. In the world where I live and work, and it's one where I encounter people in all stages of life, from many different cultures and social standards, the monsters are few and far between. The most common traits of the male mind these days are the wish to do the right thing, and the confusion over the maelstrom of conflicting signals on what "the right thing" is.

One monster is one too many though. So to say all is a-ok is not on the map.

 

[rgraham666]

Sigh. This really bums me out.

I'd love to have a woman to seduce. Really, I would.

But I do not fit into the idea of a man that most women want to be seduced by.

Through lack of experience and my inability to read body language, I wouldn't recognise the signs even is she did, nor would I 'properly' know how to respond to them.

And seduction as outlined in this article requires a great deal more money than I have.

Sigh. I should have known better than to read this thread.

 

[TheEarl]

**poof**
i now affiliate you with women.
god damnit, youre hot!
got a tampon?

<snort> God bless your little cotton socks.

Luc: And you don't think the author of that article was demonstrating the female equivalent of misogynism by thoroughly implying that men never seduce, are never romantic, never spend more than 30s on foreplay and, all in all, you'd be far better off with a woman?

And I say this from my new Vella-designated position in the women's camp.

The Earl

 

[Stella_Omega]

Sigh. This really bums me out.

I'd love to have a woman to seduce. Really, I would.

But I do not fit into the idea of a man that most women want to be seduced by.

Through lack of experience and my inability to read body language, I wouldn't recognise the signs even is she did, nor would I 'properly' know how to respond to them.

And seduction as outlined in this article requires a great deal more money than I have.

Sigh. I should have known better than to read this thread.

There should be lessons, like dance classes. In fact- have you ever taken ballroom dance classes? They might be a good first step. You have to work with a partner

 

[rgraham666]

There should be lessons, like dance classes. In fact- have you ever taken ballroom dance classes? They might be a good first step. You have to work with a partner

Can't afford them. After I'm done paying for everything else I have about $80 bucks for luxuries.

Sigh, the burden of insanity.

 

[woodnymph_O]

ok maybe I'm all wrong here, please tell me if I am. I always thought of it in these terms.
1: being a lesbian meant that not only are you turned on by the female body,
but you find those feelings of love that happen in the heart and soul with women. which I believe to different than sexual exploration/experimentation.
2: being bi-sexual means you are able to find these feelings within both sexs.(these are the ones I envy as they seem to have the bigger playing field)
3:Being straight mean you find these feelings only with the opposite sex.

I honestly don't believe there has ever been or will be a woman who has not been sexually excited by the female form, even if it's only your own form in the mirror looking really hot in that new mini dress. I know personnaly this will put me more in the mood to have sex than what my guy looks like.
Does appreciation of the female form make me a lesbian? I think not, I just don't have THOSE feelings with women. So instead I just consider myself to be a person who appreciates beauty, mine, yours, inside, and outside. I guess I might consider myself Bi-sexual if the day ever came that I could make a staement about how beautiful a womans breasts are with out ending it with these words "I wish mine looked like that". So for now I admit I'm not being naughty I'm breast shopping, so I think, I am mournfully straight.

as to the way straight women act sometimes, we can be dumbasses too. The unknown is sexually exciting sometimes. They are probably for the most part playing with the taboo. But maybe there are a few who really would like to be jumped on the table, and just never saw a woman they thought would do it.I personally don't think I ever acted that way, but I'm not grossed out either. I remember fondly being 8 months pregnant, and having a lovely conversation with a lesbian couple who were thinking about artifiacal insimination and wanted to know how I felt being pregnant. This converstion took place in a strip club, while they were both in thongs, and nothing else. They only thing I was really getting excited about at the time was the topic of babys. Well that and where they bought their shoes.

so I think my point is, this is not all straight girls. Maybe it's play, or maybe a closet lesbian here and there, or maybe it's just people without sexual maturity trying to play doctor. But I guarentee if I give you a hug I wont feel up your breasts. Though I appreciate beauty enough that I might hang a portrait of them on my wall.

Nymphy

 

[sweetnpetite]

Sigh. This really bums me out.

I'd love to have a woman to seduce. Really, I would.

But I do not fit into the idea of a man that most women want to be seduced by.

Through lack of experience and my inability to read body language, I wouldn't recognise the signs even is she did, nor would I 'properly' know how to respond to them.

And seduction as outlined in this article requires a great deal more money than I have.

Sigh. I should have known better than to read this thread.

What are you talking about? There are at least a dozen women here who would be happy to be seduced by you. You just need a bit of confidence in yourself.

However, being able to read signs is important. But it's also ok to ask too. The thing is, you have to respond to the other person in oder to seduce them and not just work on them as if they were an object for your pleasure. You have to bend, and be open to suggestion as well. I have every faith that you would be able to do that, if the situation arose.

You don't need a limo- the point of the aritcle was that a person can see and not be seen in a limo, therefore they can let down inhabitions and make love to someone that doesn't fit there view of themselves (as a lesbian). None of that applies to you.

I think what women really want (and are hungry for) is someone- anyone- who will take the time to make them feel special and to care about there pleasure. Vs someone who's only concerned with their own pleasure or who is rushed or who doesn't enjoy the steps that lead up to the finalle. Do that and we won't notice how many candles are burning or how many rose pedals are on the sheets.

Rob, I really think that you should stop cutting yourself off without a chance and do something. Take out an ad on Match.com or something so you can meet some elegible women in your area. A lot of us here know that you are a great guy who could make the right woman happy. (she's lonely too you know and looking for someone...). Nothing would make me happier than to see you find someone special- and I know that it can happen. Whenever I read a post of yours like the one above I just want to cry- because I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you could make someone very happy; that you could make each other happy. But your so fatalistic about it. I know you lack confindence, I used to be the same way. Sometimes you just have to fake it for a while. So give it a try, for me (OK, really for you)

 

[Liar]

ok maybe I'm all wrong here, please tell me if I am. I always thought of it in these terms.
1: being a lesbian meant that not only are you turned on by the female body,
but you find those feelings of love that happen in the heart and soul with women. which I believe to different than sexual exploration/experimentation.
2: being bi-sexual means you are able to find these feelings within both sexs.(these are the ones I envy as they seem to have the bigger playing field)
3:Being straight mean you find these feelings only with the opposite sex.

What if you are turned on physically by one gender but find that kind of love with another gender? Gosh, I'm all confused.

Maybe these should be defined seperately. Sexuality and amourosity.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Isn't this a form of self hate? You have a pussy, don't you like it?

And don't you think that women on both ends of the spectrum -gay and straight- are attracted to more than just genetalia? I hope so.

So now heterosexuality is a form of self-hatred?

 

[SeaCat]

Shaking head, just before banging it against a wall.
"Why of why am I even thinking about replying to this thread?" He wails to himself.

"Why don't people grow up and accept that everyone is different, with different needs, different desires, different drives and different wants?" He asked as he left forehead sized dents in a cement wall.

Okay now that the prelims. are out of the way.

Hello, is this mike on? Good!

You want to be seduced? Fine, I'll seduce you. I can give you the classic treatment, with the wine, the roses, the limo. etc. I can give you the Good Ol Boy Treatment, with beer, fried/smoked food. Hunting/fishing and the great outdoors.

Let me explain something about seduction. You have to want to be seduced. If you do I can seduce you just about anywhere. (I seduced my wife in the backseat of a Ford Escort in the middle of a parking lot during a snowstorm on Cape Cod. I have a co-worker trying her damndest to seduce me in work with flirty looks, soft brushes against me and suggestive comments. {She knows she doesn't have to do this, my wife already informed her that all she has to do is tell me she's willing, after telling me I have permission. To her the seduction is part f it.} I have reciprocated with the casual touch, the gentle shoulder rubs, the candies as well as the flowers.)

Seduction is not in the act, it is in the mind. Too often the man or the woman is stopped from being seduced because of their ideas of seduction, what is needed, what is required. If you're mind is open you can be seduced anywhere. If your mind is closed I dont' care how many roses, how much candy, or how many fancy ass restaraunts you are taken to it still won't work.

Cat

 

[cloudy]

Shaking head, just before banging it against a wall.
"Why of why am I even thinking about replying to this thread?" He wails to himself.

"Why don't people grow up and accept that everyone is different, with different needs, different desires, different drives and different wants?" He asked as he left forehead sized dents in a cement wall.

Okay now that the prelims. are out of the way.

Hello, is this mike on? Good!

You want to be seduced? Fine, I'll seduce you. I can give you the classic treatment, with the wine, the roses, the limo. etc. I can give you the Good Ol Boy Treatment, with beer, fried/smoked food. Hunting/fishing and the great outdoors.

Let me explain something about seduction. You have to want to be seduced. If you do I can seduce you just about anywhere. (I seduced my wife in the backseat of a Ford Escort in the middle of a parking lot during a snowstorm on Cape Cod. I have a co-worker trying her damndest to seduce me in work with flirty looks, soft brushes against me and suggestive comments. {She knows she doesn't have to do this, my wife already informed her that all she has to do is tell me she's willing, after telling me I have permission. To her the seduction is part f it.} I have reciprocated with the casual touch, the gentle shoulder rubs, the candies as well as the flowers.)

Seduction is not in the act, it is in the mind. Too often the man or the woman is stopped from being seduced because of their ideas of seduction, what is needed, what is required. If you're mind is open you can be seduced anywhere. If your mind is closed I dont' care how many roses, how much candy, or how many fancy ass restaraunts you are taken to it still won't work.

Cat

Amen.

 

[hugo_sam]

Shaking head, just before banging it against a wall.
"Why of why am I even thinking about replying to this thread?" He wails to himself.

"Why don't people grow up and accept that everyone is different, with different needs, different desires, different drives and different wants?" He asked as he left forehead sized dents in a cement wall.

Okay now that the prelims. are out of the way.

Hello, is this mike on? Good!

You want to be seduced? Fine, I'll seduce you. I can give you the classic treatment, with the wine, the roses, the limo. etc. I can give you the Good Ol Boy Treatment, with beer, fried/smoked food. Hunting/fishing and the great outdoors.

Let me explain something about seduction. You have to want to be seduced. If you do I can seduce you just about anywhere. (I seduced my wife in the backseat of a Ford Escort in the middle of a parking lot during a snowstorm on Cape Cod. I have a co-worker trying her damndest to seduce me in work with flirty looks, soft brushes against me and suggestive comments. {She knows she doesn't have to do this, my wife already informed her that all she has to do is tell me she's willing, after telling me I have permission. To her the seduction is part f it.} I have reciprocated with the casual touch, the gentle shoulder rubs, the candies as well as the flowers.)

Seduction is not in the act, it is in the mind. Too often the man or the woman is stopped from being seduced because of their ideas of seduction, what is needed, what is required. If you're mind is open you can be seduced anywhere. If your mind is closed I dont' care how many roses, how much candy, or how many fancy ass restaraunts you are taken to it still won't work.

Cat

Rock on! Cant! Well Said.

 

[Stella_Omega]

What if you are turned on physically by one gender but find that kind of love with another gender? Gosh, I'm all confused.

Maybe these should be defined seperately. Sexuality and amourosity.

That would work if our society was willing to separate the relationships and their respective rights and duties.
But we expect each American citizen to find comfort and joy all wrapped up in one person, till death do us part.

 

[SeaCat]

That would work if our society was willing to separate the relationships and their respective rights and duties.
But we expect each American citizen to find comfort and joy all wrapped up in one person, till death do us part.

We do? Maybe the Weasels in D.C. do but not I. (Then again my views are different than many of the views expressed even here.) My views are my views, created after much thought and too much pain. Maybe it's because I do think, and maybe it's because I have hurt that my views are different.

Cat

 

[sweetnpetite]

So now heterosexuality is a form of self-hatred?

No- it was just something in the way she phrased her argument.

There was a straight woman on tv who wouldn't go down on her husband because the penis was, in her oppinion, "the ugliest thing god made." or something like that. I guess I could have also used this point to argue the 'straight women like dick and they don't like pussy' argument. I don't beleive that it's that simple is what it boils down too. But perhaps I took her statement too literally.

 

[juanjsojr]

sick

man guys are stupid wasting there time on women who lies women are stupid they lie, cheat goes from straght to lesbian guys are stupid liking girls they always cheat on guys with a another guy or girl

 

[yui]

man guys are stupid wasting there time on women who lies women are stupid they lie, cheat goes from straght to lesbian guys are stupid liking girls they always cheat on guys with a another guy or girl

Juan? Juan? Is this the Juan?

 

[ElizabethWest]

Oh, Juan's back.

 

[yui]

Oh, Juan's back.

....

 

[sweetnpetite]

man guys are stupid

yes... yes they are...
http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgst3241.jpg

>>>ducks and runs<<<

 

[cloudy]

Juan? Juan? Is this the Juan?

iam juan you sick lebsians womens no lik my father he real mens you sick lebsians you sick

(yep, that's him)

 

[Samandiriel]

man guys are stupid wasting there time on women who lies women are stupid they lie, cheat goes from straght to lesbian guys are stupid liking girls they always cheat on guys with a another guy or girl

I've missed you.

 

[BlackShanglan]

One of the many things for which I love the SO is this: that we agree that there is at least as fundamental difference between those who are only attracted to a single gender and those capable of attraction to either as there is between "single gender" heterosexuals and homosexuals. Those, like us, whose orientation is not rooted wholly in flesh are always a bafflement to those whose interests are. The SO and I vary in degree, but not I think in kind; we agree that under the right circumstances, and with the right person, gender is not a barrier to attraction, and either gender can be part of it. We recognize that not everyone is so made, but recognize as well that many are. Some are physical people who simply like all forms of the human body; others, more like I am I think, are essentially Gnostic, too unconcerned with the things of this world to give much weight to the body as such. Spirit, beauty, passion, energy, intellect - these things do not order themselves by genitalia.

(As if that's any surprise at all coming from a genderless horse.)

Shanglan

 

[Unsung Muse]

Really embarrassed that I have to ask,
but I have to ask... what's "The SO" ?