"straight", as compared to faggots, queers, and the rest of us

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This is about words. I'm posting it here instead of over in one of the main forums because this is where I've seen the most chatter (and nagging) about the word “straight.”

We all know that traditionally, “straight” (an identity) meant “heterosexual”, and was used as a distinction from from “gay” or “queer” (both identities). Things got complicated when men who identified as “straight” started openly talking about sucking cock or being ass-fucked (note: both of these are activities, not identities.)

So the self-identified purists started to get shirty— “you can't call yourself straight if you do homosexual things!" “You're not being honest!" Etcetera.

These assertions could be challenged in several ways, but the most important is that the “purists” are confusing identity with activity. Nobody can challenge another person's identity; that's equivalent to you telling me what I feel. Your identity is how you perceive yourself, not how anyone else does. But I think this is an age-old problem: I think people have always thought “You are what you do.” In fact, I think “identity” is a fairly new concept, an important step in our cultural evolution.

I think “straight” men sucking cock is an age-old occurrence, as well. The only thing that's changed is the freedom to talk about it. And I'm not here to philosophize, I'm here to propose a solution to the purists’ problem (because in the end, it is their problem, not ours):

What I know is this: language is not rigid and static. Language is a living breathing thing that is constantly growing and evolving. This is not “my opinion”, this is reality. Ask any lexicographer; they'll tell you the same thing. if it weren't true, we'd still be using Samuel Johnson's 1755 Dictionary of the English Language.
What I believe is this: we are watching the term “straight” (which of course is very new in this usage anyway) be redefined before our very eyes. It no longer means “engaging in exclusively heterosexual activities” (if indeed it ever did). It now means “heteronormative in appearance, and hetero-romantic”— and has no bearing on any specific activities.

If we could accept this new definition, we could move on from some endless and circular discussions.

Your thoughts?
 
I am heteronormative in appearance and definitely hetero-romantic but straight? Nope.

I have come to realize that my sexual identity might be described as "feminine". With my trans girlfriend I am only interested in submitting to her sexually and allowing her the use of my holes for insemination. I just want to be fucked.

She, on the other hand, is only interested in the male role sexually even though she is super feminine in appearance and only romantically attracted to men. Sexually, she just wants to fuck.

Maybe we are a couple of unique outliers?
 
Hypothetical: A married guy who has sex with his wife 99% of the time and occasionally sucks cock 1% of the time would be 99% straight. LOL.

I don't know how else to contribute to this discussion liqueur. I have seen the other threads you are referring to. It can be confusing, but I don't think the definitions will ever be agreed upon.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary said:
Straight
h(1) : of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to or between people of the opposite sex : heterosexual sense 1a
h(2) : of, relating to, or involving sexual activity between individuals of the opposite sex : heterosexual sense 1b


Gay
1a : of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex
 
No, I don't think you are. I think you're both hot as fuck. As for labels, if you were me (either of you) I'd probably just say I was queer, and have done with it.
 
Hypothetical: A married guy who has sex with his wife 99% of the time and occasionally sucks cock 1% of the time would be 99% straight. LOL.

I don't know how else to contribute to this discussion liqueur. I have seen the other threads you are referring to. It can be confusing, but I don't think the definitions will ever be agreed upon.
Thanks for the dictionary reference. The interesting part of those definitions is the repeated phrase ”sexual or romantic” attraction. But where the sexual attraction goes one way, and the romantic attraction the other, the definition breaks down. Which is what we're dealing with now.

But back to lexicographers: they will tell you that word definitions are determined by people, and the way they use those words, not vice versa— which is why dictionaries are constantly being updated. I think we're seeing such a shift in usage right now.

Since your typical lexicographer is probably not a student of sexuality as well, it's going to be a while before dictionaries reflect the shift. But we don't need to wait for them!
 
No, I don't think you are. I think you're both hot as fuck. As for labels, if you were me (either of you) I'd probably just say I was queer, and have done with it.
Thanks, I think. Yeah, we are a couple of queers. Although if you saw us on the street, we look like any other het couple.
 
Personally, if I ever have sexual contact with another man, I will change my profile to "Bisexual". However, if someone says they are straight but occasionally participate in homosexual acts, I understand what they are trying to convey. I don't get hung up on absolutes. I am of the opinion "bisexual" would a better label for such people.
 
This word identity is problematic because people assume it is a coat you wear - I am queer and here is my queer identity coat. Or, as cynics love to deride 'I'm identifying as a dog today...' The problem is that what we think we are, is largely irrelevant. We cannot exist in a vacuum and our identity is how we are perceived ( and then treated by ) other people in our society.

People will commit murder to protect their public identity; newspaper hacks will trail suspected gay men to public toilets to out them. To counter this some queer people have outed themselves in an attempt to take the sting out of the label for themselves and other queer people. That's a noble thing to do, right up until you get a seismic shift in politics and 'Voila! Arrest the gays, throw them out of office, annul their marriages...'
 
So for me personally I feel and more often claim to very straight , now if your a hot ass female or look to be and have a cock well still not gay , but my cock is a totally attention and worship whore and also I do get off on and enjoy using and degrading little sissy faggot fem and bitch bois and hobbies alone or with the wife of gf. So I could be said im bi or bi top. But im not attracted to masculinity in any way amd would never want to cuddle or make out with a guy or "suck a dick"
 
The problem is that what we think we are, is largely irrelevant. We cannot exist in a vacuum and our identity is how we are perceived ( and then treated by ) other people in our society.
I was really, really hoping you might jump in here. I love your mind.

I'm still pondering what you've said here. There's an awful lot to unpack in those two sentences . I'm going to give it more thought, rather than responding off the cuff.
 
This word identity is problematic because people assume it is a coat you wear - I am queer and here is my queer identity coat. Or, as cynics love to deride 'I'm identifying as a dog today...' The problem is that what we think we are, is largely irrelevant. We cannot exist in a vacuum and our identity is how we are perceived ( and then treated by ) other people in our society.

People will commit murder to protect their public identity; newspaper hacks will trail suspected gay men to public toilets to out them. To counter this some queer people have outed themselves in an attempt to take the sting out of the label for themselves and other queer people. That's a noble thing to do, right up until you get a seismic shift in politics and 'Voila! Arrest the gays, throw them out of office, annul their marriages...'
Very well said and thought
 
So for me personally I feel and more often claim to very straight , now if your a hot ass female or look to be and have a cock well still not gay , but my cock is a totally attention and worship whore and also I do get off on and enjoy using and degrading little sissy faggot fem and bitch bois and hobbies alone or with the wife of gf. So I could be said im bi or bi top. But im not attracted to masculinity in any way amd would never want to cuddle or make out with a guy or "suck a dick"
(You sound like someone I'd like to suck...) But that aside: is straight your preferred label?
 
You sound like some one id let worship and mayne suck and stroke my cock or suck and lick my nuts or eat my ass, good little boi
 
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