Story sent back - AI?

[BobbyBrandt]

I write in Word and have used both the built-in editor and Grammarly to check for grammar and spelling mistakes. Occasionally, I accept Grammarly's comprehension suggestions.

I submit .DOCX files.

So far, no AI rejections.

Same with me.

People need to step back and consider ALL the possible factors that could be triggering AI rejections. It's easy to just blame the use of Grammarly or similar tools. It's slightly more challenging to investigate other possible causes, such as the manner in which the story is submitted for publication one way versus another.

I understand that some people are paranoid about uploading files when submitting their stories, or they feel that cutting and pasting will get their story published faster than uploading it. To each their own.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I am considering moving to a different site. Has anyone any experience with Lush Stories?

I submitted some of my works to Lush and had them rejected for being too long. I'm not breaking them up since my readers everywhere else have overwhelmingly stated that single, longer submissions were their preference over chapters or parts.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I am considering moving to a different site. Has anyone any experience with Lush Stories?

There are other alternatives besides Lush, such as SOL and AO3. My impression after trying these alternatives is that they are quite a bit inferior to Literotica, which says a lot more about the state of competition than it does about Lit. It's like all of these websites are trying hard to suck.

 

[WillyBoyIsHere]

I did an experiment. Stories that I wrote years ago (not for Lit) before I even knew about Grammarly, all show 0% AI influence in GPTZero or whatever it is called. But ones that went through Grammarly (and were published in Lit), show up to 20% as AI written.
I have no way of working out what was corrected by Grammarly - so how can I resubmit my story?

 

[AwkwardMD]

I have no way of working out what was corrected by Grammarly - so how can I resubmit my story?

No way of looking at old versions of a document?

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I used GPTZero to analyze my Grammarly checked stories and never exceeded 9% AI.

 

[lovecraft68]

Sounds like a joke but leave in a couple of typos or grammar errors while editing in the sense of rewriting some of your own sentences and not using anything more than word's editor, and I mean word, not that co-pilot crap.

In other words, like people did it for a long time before all these programs showed up.

Imperfections both literally and in dialogue and other areas will never be confused with fake sounding and too accurate AI grammar.

Write like a person, not a bot, you'll be fine.

ETA Not sure if this is true or just experience, but pasting the doc in seems to help rather than attaching docs.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I did an experiment. Stories that I wrote years ago (not for Lit) before I even knew about Grammarly, all show 0% AI influence in GPTZero or whatever it is called. But ones that went through Grammarly (and were published in Lit), show up to 20% as AI written.
I have no way of working out what was corrected by Grammarly - so how can I resubmit my story?

Trying saving the file as .txt or .rtf then copy paste into the submission box. My understanding is that those formats strip out edit history and underlying artefacts, leaving you with raw text only. Don't submit the files themselves.

That might work, but don't ask me why. I only know that five or six years ago I had issues getting .doc, then .rtf, then .txt files to load. They weren't getting rejected, it's just that my device was too old and wasn't keeping up with the site's upgrades. The glitch was at my end. However, once I started to copy paste into the site's submission box, the problem went away completely, and has stayed away ever since. I also used simplified Word clones, with less checking capability. That might have something to do with it.

The problems with even simple formats like .rtf told me something -whatever systems the site uses to screen text might be triggering off something you don't even know is in your submission, underlying the words on the surface.

 

[Unblemished]

I am considering moving to a different site. Has anyone any experience with Lush Stories?

Last time I submitted a story, I sent it both here and to Lush at the end of May. Lit had it posted by the first of June; on Lush it’s still pending. Make of that one what you will.

This might have something to do with their monetisation push? They have paid tiers which allow you to fast-track your stories, among other things. I swear that you used to have to be a member to post forum threads, but that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.

When last I checked Lush had no AI filter because they thought it was a pointless crapshoot or something. However, the same mod who said that also said that if anyone ever let slip that they had used AI she reserved the right to completely delete their account. Also your stories don’t get votes; they replaced them with a Facebook-style Like system around the same time they started pushing everyone to make profile pics and collect ‘Lush Coins’, whatever those are.

Also their editors are a bit more hands-on. This can be good (they might kindly correct the odd typo that you’ve missed) or bad (they might decide they didn’t like a word or stylistic choice and change it to something they think is better without telling you). Sometimes the Story Acceptance message includes a nice comment about how fun your story was and how it was a bright spot in their day…and once when I was rather new they politely suggested I use editing software

So, you know, ups and downs.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

ETA Not sure if this is true or just experience, but pasting the doc in seems to help rather than attaching docs.

Do you have any data to back this up?

I only have my own experience with uploading DOCX files that have been run through Grammarly as evidence that none have been rejected for AI.

@Writer61 claims:

I write in Word and have used both the built-in editor and Grammarly to check for grammar and spelling mistakes. Occasionally, I accept Grammarly's comprehension suggestions.

I submit .DOCX files.

So far, no AI rejections.

Then we have the claim from the OP:

I wrote it in Word, then cut and pasted the text into the submission box.

 

[Writer61]

Then we have the claim from the OP:

He is pasting from Word into the submission box. I upload the file.

 

[lovecraft68]

Do you have any data to back this up?

I only have my own experience with uploading DOCX files that have been run through Grammarly as evidence that none have been rejected for AI.

@Writer61 claims:



Then we have the claim from the OP:

You have the same data I have, neither of us have ever had an AI rejection.

But that brings up another thing I've begun to wonder about and that's does it matter who is submitting.

If you've been here a long time and the site has never had an issue with you, are you just slipped on through and newer authors, or maybe some that have had a few rejections get more scrutiny?

We're never going to know that, nor is anything that goes on in these ongoing AI threads going to be debunked or validated because the one or two people who know are never going to come here and spell out what triggers rejections and how to avoid them.

 

[Erozetta]

You have the same data I have, neither of us have ever had an AI rejection.

But that brings up another thing I've begun to wonder about and that's does it matter who is submitting.

If you've been here a long time and the site has never had an issue with you, are you just slipped on through and newer authors, or maybe some that have had a few rejections get more scrutiny?

We're never going to know that, nor is anything that goes on in these ongoing AI threads going to be debunked or validated because the one or two people who know are never going to come here and spell out what triggers rejections and how to avoid them.

I also upload .docx files and haven't had an AI rejection, to add some more anecdotal evidence.

My last story was approved for publishing less than 2 hours after submitting it. Not for a contest or anything.

I've had a few approved quite quick.

 

[Writer61]

Hypotheses:
1) Using Grammarly is not an absolute no-no, spelling and punctuation corrections don't trigger a rejection
2) Uploading DOCX is no worse, possibly better than pasting into the text box

 

[AwkwardMD]

Kasumi_Lee had a rejection for AI, for using a translation tool to produce (AFAIK) a Spanish version of a story she wrote. AH regulars are not immune to rejections; we get checked too.

The AI detection is a black box that functions in a vacuum of knowledge. Pooling your resources to sort out how it works, in a public forum, also makes that knowledge available to those who would use it improperly.

Ya'll should stop this conversation.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Hypotheses:
1) Using Grammarly is not an absolute no-no, spelling and punctuation corrections don't trigger a rejection
2) Uploading DOCX is no worse, possibly better than pasting into the text box

I believe that both would be easy to prove with enough feedback from those who experience an AI rejection for simply using Grammarly.

Without making any changes to the story, submit it in a different way. If the cut-and-paste version was rejected and the uploaded version wasn't, that could be a tell. The same if things worked the other way around.

 

[AwkwardMD]

What gets around the AI detector is

1) writing your own story
2) learning how to edit yourself

It's extremely simple.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

It's not about using Grammarly, assuming you aren't letting it rewrite your sentences. I've been using it for punctuation, spelling, and grammar, and I've never had any AI-based rejection. I also always upload a DOCX file when submitting a story. Maybe that is significant, maybe it isn't, I don't know. But no need to spread this Grammarly phobia. I'd say that enough people confirmed using it without ever having a problem with AI-based rejection.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'd say that enough people confirmed using it without ever having a problem with AI-based rejection.

Probably because those people are using it as a checker, not relying on it.

The fact remains, Grammarly is the one factor in these AI rejection threads more often seen than not - which sets aside the verboten observation that the primary reason for AI rejection, based on what people do post, is their... style... in the first place. But that's heresy, I must be a witch .

 

[SkyBubble]

A couple of years ago. I left it because of the arbitrary and whimsical and opaque review process. Different people do the gate-keeping with wildly different interpretations of the rules.

I am considering moving to a different site. Has anyone any experience with Lush Stories?

I've had good experiences there. They tend to approve my stories without much hassle, including some I had to submit and resubmit here.

Also, you can have longer titles and descriptions, if that matters to you.

 

[SkyBubble]

I dunno. The frequency of "I've been rejected for suspected use of AI" threads has dropped dramatically over the last year. All I said was, Grammarly is the one constant in all of those threads.

Don't depend on it, and the problem might well be solved.

The problem is definitely NOT solved.

 

[SkyBubble]

I am considering moving to a different site. Has anyone any experience with Lush Stories?

I've had good experiences there, mostly, but they have limits on story length and some other funky things -- as Literotica does. For one thing, they don't allow celebrity stories, so if you write those, someplace like AO3 is a better bet.

One site I do NOT recommend is Juicy Sex Stories. Crap site.

 

[SkyBubble]

I just got my third(!) AI rejection for a 100% human-written story. I've spent months working on it, testing it, running it through various detectors (because of my two prior FALSE rejections), working with an editor, then they sat on it for 11 days and then sent it back falsely claiming AI. I don't know what else I can do.

I had to submit one of the other two rejected stories FOUR TIMES! This site is getting to be a chore rather than a hobby. I've been writing here since 2006. I have mostly enjoyed it until lately. These false rejections make it unpleasant. I am seriously thinking about removing all my stories. Maybe even my membership.

 

[badlulu]

I just got my third(!) AI rejection for a 100% human-written story. I've spent months working on it, testing it, running it through various detectors (because of my two prior FALSE rejections), working with an editor, then they sat on it for 11 days and then sent it back falsely claiming AI. I don't know what else I can do.

I had to submit one of the other two rejected stories FOUR TIMES! This site is getting to be a chore rather than a hobby. I've been writing here since 2006. I have mostly enjoyed it until lately. These false rejections make it unpleasant. I am seriously thinking about removing all my stories. Maybe even my membership.

The whole AI detection industry is a scam. The companies charge to arbitrarily flag based on black-box rules the companies themselves don't even really understand. Then they turn around and charge to rewrite your work WITH AI to make it undetectable. It's a protection racket, and anyone who buys into it is a chump.

 

[SkyBubble]

Literotica uses it.