Story rejected

[Colleen Thomas]

By Colleen Thomas


Not my point at all. When I joined I read the rules and, to be fair, I have no problem with them.

I do have a problem with authors who scream against supposed infringements of their liberties and then defend the same in the context of something like this site.

Am I the only one out of step here?

Just a different perspective I think. I'm not in favor of cencorship, even of things i find truly revolting/distrubing. Att he same time, I'm wholly in favor of allowing people to do what they with with their own property.

In this case, you can't have absolute freedom of speech AND absolute fredom to do as you will with your property. Some kind of balance has to be struck.

In basic, you are free to expouse whatever you like, but if you come on my property to do so, I am free to ask you to leave. You can step out onto the sidewalk and rant if you choose. I'm not censoring you. Your freedom to speak does not imply I have an obligation to listen.

I see lit as the private property of Laurel & Mnu. It's their domain, their servers, their responsibility. They aren't censoring anyone, they are simply laying down the guideline underwhich they will accept admissions. their refusal to post your story, does not in anyway inhibit you from telling it how you choose or from having it read in the form you wish. If you wish to use their property as a vehicle for getting your work out, you have to aquiese to their rules.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Just a different perspective I think. I'm not in favor of cencorship, even of things i find truly revolting/distrubing. Att he same time, I'm wholly in favor of allowing people to do what they with with their own property.

In this case, you can't have absolute freedom of speech AND absolute fredom to do as you will with your property. Some kind of balance has to be struck.

In basic, you are free to expouse whatever you like, but if you come on my property to do so, I am free to ask you to leave. You can step out onto the sidewalk and rant if you choose. I'm not censoring you. Your freedom to speak does not imply I have an obligation to listen.

I see lit as the private property of Laurel & Mnu. It's their domain, their servers, their responsibility. They aren't censoring anyone, they are simply laying down the guideline underwhich they will accept admissions. their refusal to post your story, does not in anyway inhibit you from telling it how you choose or from having it read in the form you wish. If you wish to use their property as a vehicle for getting your work out, you have to aquiese to their rules.

I actually have no problem with the limitation on sex with minors. I have written several stories involving high school students who are 18 years old and I mention their sexual experiences, making it clear that they have had sex before age 18. I have no description of it, just saying it happened. That is allright.

Only once did I ever write a sex scene involving a 16 year old. I thought that one should have been acceptable because it involved a husband and wife. The scene was the least erotic sex scene I have ever written except, possibly, the one in my Halloween story. Even that one would not go, which would, I believe, mean that nothing would.

 

[sweetnpetite]

(The denigration, of course, was due to your fuming about your story being rejected because you didn't follow the simple rules set up by the site owners.)

That wasn't dean, the thread was started by Blue Dolphin.

I'm not sure if it was dean or someone else who innitiated this rather interesting thread jack. (I think it's ok though, because I'm pretty sure that dolphin is done with it)

 

[sweetnpetite]

This 18 age limit is stupid and simply criminalising normal teenagers.
Does anyone honestly believe that kids in America are going to wait till they are 18 to have sex.
Age limits are imposed to stop kids being taken advantage of, by older people.
I can see no harm If kids of 13 or younger want to play doctors and nurses with eachother if its part of a willing and concentual act.
I did when I was a kid!

Sure, but that's not the point.

Most states do have laws "Romeo and Juliet laws" someone called them that say children in the same age bracket are not guilty of experimenting with each other.

Lit's over 18 rule has nothing to do with that. Lit doesn't say anything about kids or teens under 18 having sex, or even that it's not ok to acknowledge that it happens. Lit is a site about adult sex and therefore those under the age of 18 (the age chosen by the moderator for her own personal reasons) are not allowed to be shown in explicit sexual situations in the stories allowed on this site.

 

[BlackShanglan]

I agree with Colly's perspective on the free speech/personal property issue. That's the basis on which I made my own post - that while we all have the right of public free speech, none of us has the right to force other people to host our speech on their property.

I'm glad Colly made the post, though, because I'm not much of a purist on invidual rights anyway (in reference to you comment about authors "who scream against supposed infringements of their liberties"). That is, I view rights as things that inevitably come into conflict with each other in any free society, and that are constantly being abrogated, limited, or suspended for a variety of reasons - usually good ones. It's not that I think rights are unimportant; I just think that they can't all operate at the same time in most circumstances, and that for that reason it is unrealistic and illogical to insist that any one right - whether freedom of speech, freedom to own property, freedom of movement, or what have you - is a right that can and should never, under any circumstances, be violated or surrendered. We surrender our right to free speech every time we enter a movie theater, or polite people do, and no one worries about it. That's because we recognize that if we want to pursue happiness in that particular way, it's not compatible with everyone also pursuing freedom of speech at the same time. Such is life; it's full of trade-offs. In this instance, I think that Laurel and Manu's rights to do as they like with their own property are the ones that most need to be respected.

As for asking the site administrators to justify their decisions, I don't personally object to you asking or think that that is a problem. But then, it wasn't clear to me that you ever had asked. Did you? Did you get an answer? I'm curious. Mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no answer; given the staggering number of people who use the site, I'd be surprised if any sane person relished the task of explaining every decision to every one of them.

Shanglan

 

[sweetnpetite]

That should not have been rejected. I have had a couple of stories like that, one where she was a naughty girl in her school uniform and one where she was a Girl Scout selling cookies. In both, I mentioned her age early in the story but went with the role-playing when the sex part started. (Early in the story and continuing through to the end.) You should resubmit the story, pointing out in the notes section that they are just pretending to be underage.

Edited to add: I notice you have six typos in your short post. Could the actual problem been a lack of proof-reading?

I wonder if it would make a difference if the story stated a specific age for the fantasy? ('pretend your a six year old' in stead of 'pretend your my little girl')

 

[sweetnpetite]

If they make a rule that only stories involving grape jelly and wetsuits can be posted, that's their prerogative.

Shanglan

someone certainly should.

there's a vastly underserved market there...

 

[BlackShanglan]

someone certainly should.

there's a vastly underserved market there...

Let's propose it as a new category.

 

[sweetnpetite]

It is my understanding that Lit as part of the Free Speech Coalition is challenging the new "record keeping" law as unconstitutionally vauge and as such violative of the right to free speech. The members of FSC have won a temporary injunction against the enforcement of the law, but only as to them. That was the last time I checked the FSC website. Federal actions like this can drag on for years. Even if you, the client, are not invovled on a daily bases, the stress of just being in a lawsuit takes its toll.

My understanding of the challenged law (and I have not read the statute) is that failure to keep records of age, date photographed and a variety of other data can lead to fines per photo which is why some of the photo threads have probably gone bye-bye. There are also portions which deal with the definition of obsinity as anything envolving pedophilia, necrophilia, bestiality, urination, defication, BDSM and genital contact. Repeat violations can lead to criminal penalties.

shouldn't we all be aware of this?

where the hell have we been?

and where can we find out more about this?

 

[Guest]

 

[daddysambiguity]

I agree with you.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

However, the age of consent for sexual intercourse in most jurisdictions is 16 and, I believe, a girl of 15 can marry in West Virginia under certain circumstances.

I was interested, so I checked... the youngest, without parental consent, is 15 for a girl (Mississippi) and 17 for a boy (also Mississippi). WITH parental consent, the youngest female age is 12... both Kansas and Massachussets will allow a 12 year old girl to marry if her parents agree.

 

[gauchecritic]

I'm probably about as egotistical (ie selfish) as you can find. for instance when the Horsey mentioned the no lists arguement I immediately assumed that it was I that was being referenced. Made me feel good, right up until the point that I realised that the reference was somewhat satyrical and that the horsey is not that kind of animal without warning, with regard to others.

I'm pretty sure (as Cant I think mentioned) that any kind of measurement for selfishness has to be from anecdotal evidence rather than clinical trial.

Bearing in mind the first paragraph, I can recall three events off the top of my head when I stopped my vehicle because I had to aid someone I thought was in trouble. Once to take someone home who I knew to be lost (a dementia sufferer) one who was 'just chilling man' (walked away laughing from that one) and one who had apparently collapsed on the street but on investigation was laid out with his arm down a stop-cock plate attempting to turn off the mains to his business.

Not one of those situations gave me any sense of happiness or happy self rightousness. That is, in all three situations I did what I thought had to be done without any other concern.

Perhaps I'm the exception that proofs the rule but then, it just happens that on each occasion I was travelling with my brother who had exactly the same thoughts (we'd discussed each thing after they occurred)

So two examples of altruism and I'm quite certain (by definition) we are not unique.

As to championing cold logic (and I still have no idea as to where selfishness is a proven part of anyone's makeup) doesn't logic preclude being drawn into returning perceived insults? I'm pretty sure there's a particular use of veiled insult or threat which means that the logic is dissipated and therefor the arguement lost at that point.

One more thing, from way back in the thread: On principles and action warranted by them.

An old East European story (claimed by the world and their uncle) considers the difference between participation and commitment. In a breakfast of bacon and eggs the chicken participates but the pig is committed.

 

[pyramider]

OK
I said my piece, but I still refuse to change the story, as a matter of principle.
So I guess no one will read it, apart from the 7 who read it while it was pending, and then banned it that is.
Thank you for your comments
Blue

Please email it to me. I'll read it. The age of consent in canada is 14. Why don't they move Lit to Canada I'll never know. They are bound by the laws of the USA and there is no way around that.
I agree it is silly since most people lose their virginity younger than 16 but who said life is fair.

 

[cloudy]

Please email it to me. I'll read it. The age of consent in canada is 14. Why don't they move Lit to Canada I'll never know. They are bound by the laws of the USA and there is no way around that.
I agree it is silly since most people lose their virginity younger than 16 but who said life is fair.

It has nothing to do with laws. It is the preference of Laurel and Manu, the ones who own the site.

 

[thebullet]

If Blue Dolphin's problem is that his character is only two weeks short of 18, why doesn't he wait a couple of weeks and then repost the story? Then the kid would be of age.

Problem solved.

 

[Guest]

If Blue Dolphin's problem is that his character is only two weeks short of 18, why doesn't he wait a couple of weeks and then repost the story? Then the kid would be of age.

Problem solved.

You're a bad, bad boy.

 

[pyramider]

I did not know

It has nothing to do with laws. It is the preference of Laurel and Manu, the ones who own the site.

Sorry, I honestly thought it was a matter of law. If is a matter of personal preference with no exception or explanation then that is regrettable indeed. That is why I wanted to read the story. Sex is and will always be controversial. We had a woman file a charge against a travel agency for promoting Italy as a destination and displaying the pictures of porn statues by a guy called Michael Angelo. True story, I could not have made this up. Saddest part was the agency removed the controversial pictures voluntarily.

 

[cloudy]

Sorry, I honestly thought it was a matter of law. If is a matter of personal preference with no exception or explanation then that is regrettable indeed. That is why I wanted to read the story. Sex is and will always be controversial. We had a woman file a charge against a travel agency for promoting Italy as a destination and displaying the pictures of porn statues by a guy called Michael Angelo. True story, I could not have made this up. Saddest part was the agency removed the controversial pictures voluntarily.

Well, with the current climate here in the US, I'm sure that part of the reluctance to publish stories with underage sex in them is a desire to keep Literotica open and running - and I applaud them for that.

 

[thebullet]

Well, with the current climate here in the US, I'm sure that part of the reluctance to publish stories with underage sex in them is a desire to keep Literotica open and running - and I applaud them for that.

Me, too. This ain't the public library. This is a privately owned forum. The owners have every right to set whatever rules they deem appropriate. Authors then have every right to abide by those rules or look elsewhere.

It's the American way.

 

[Guest]

Me, too. This ain't the public library. This is a privately owned forum. The owners have every right to set whatever rules they deem appropriate. Authors then have every right to abide by those rules or look elsewhere.

It's the American way.

You forgot to add "Authors then have every right to abide by those rules or look elsewhere - and then bitch about it endlessly."

Because that's the American way, too.

 

[cloudy]

You forgot to add "Authors then have every right to abide by those rules or look elsewhere - and then bitch about it endlessly."

Because that's the American way, too.

and one more:

"...and constantly try to find ways around said restrictions on underage sex and bestiality."

anyone as tired of that as I am?

 

[Guest]

and one more:

"...and constantly try to find ways around said restrictions on underage sex and bestiality."

anyone as tired of that as I am?

Oh, oh, oh! And also -

BLAME everyone about those restrictions!

Yep. Gettin' kind of tired of that, too.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Don't forget, "And demand that each and every restriction be explained to him/her individually and in depth, so that s/he can harangue, complain, and argue about it for the rest of the century."

 

[cloudy]

Don't forget, "And demand that each and every restriction be explained to him/her individually and in depth, so that s/he can harangue, complain, and argue about it for the rest of the century."

...and stomp their feetses, and yell, "It's not fair! My story's different, and special!"