Stimulating the rich

[ullr]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Draft is Coming . . .

OK . . . Try Howard Zinn (1980) A People's History of the United States, Longmans, London.

The dust jacket says Zinn is/was a Professor of Poolitical Science at Boston University and lists an impressive publication record.

NO, not pol sci--history.
AND Emeritus history.]
The poli sci part was added later in view of his changed interests and because--unlike left-wing geeks who maliciouly stereotype the right, even a right-wing university president can see reality.

Why Emeritus?--not just because he's old. Because he's old fashioned and out of date. (And yes I watched, or, a listened to his two or three hour talk carried by C-SPAN2

Last October 4, 2002, Zinn appeared with Daniel Pipes to discuss and debate the US-Iraq confrontation on Austrailian TV.
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/479

One can judge for onese;f who won. Me? As a old-fashioned liberal (i.e., neo-liberal) and anarcho-capitalist leanings, I'd like the anti-war side to have better, more consequential representation than Zinn provides. Pipes wins, here.

--Orson

 

[ullr]

Re: Re: Tungwagger

On the contrary Red....I don't apologize for the rich...I'm very grateful for rich people as it gives me the opportunity to make a decent living...I've tried the self-employed route, and believe me, it's no cake walk.

Why should a person who has acheived not fight tooth and nail for what they have? Why should they be forced to start over? Habitat for humanity is largely funded by donations from rich people..

I understand you now....Everyone should suffer equally even if it has to be enforced at the end of a gun....

Are you gonna be one of the proletariat? Or are you only willing to settle for a party position as a member of the ruling class? You know, the ones who are allow bigger living quarters, better food, and a whole array of perks that the proletariat aren't allowed?

I realize that reading the " Communist Manifesto", by Karl Marx is a long, dry, and boring procedure, but if that's the world you want then perhaps you could move to Cuba, and see the standard of living differences between Castro, and the average citizen first hand, and then come back here and try to tell me how our system is completely flawed.....

Perhaps those critics of this opinion ought to hava a go wtih the (London) Economists latest estimate of marxism today,
"Marx after communism" Dec 19th 2002
[From The Economist print edition]
They summarize:
"As a system of government, communism is dead or dying. As a system of ideas, its future looks secure" only in humanities departments--not economics (nor in the social sciences generally)--where references to Adam Smith loom far above any genuflection toward Marx.

--Orson

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: NICE work? NOT really...

On seeing a youn female clerk reading Zinn's history over the last holiday in my university town, I engaged her in a little chit chat wondering why she'd bother reading it. (I'm a American history scholar myself.)

My first point? Economic determinism. Why bother reading a book based upon false notions of humanity!? The story always comes out wrong!--trying to build a society on such notions failed!--So why absorb more such "interpretation?"

THAT was just my opening salvo over ten minutes covering foru or five typical (far)left points. In effect, I argued, everything she thought was true I argued was false--contradicted by the facts--and I volunteered to share my data and sources with her!

Her response? "Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree." And so rationality and respect for facts on the left-wing side of the debate left the field of argument...

And YOU wonder why the left is dwindling in influence? c'mon.

--Orson

heheheh . . . ullr . . . the fact that you are a history scholar is sufficient justification for the continuation of "left-wing" ideals . . . the U$ backed Pol Pot regime in Cambodia sent the "scholars" to the farms to labour . . . and to execution in the killing fields . . . THAT is how the U$ backed right-wing Pol Pot government in Cambodia treated "scholars" . . . until liberation by the Vietnamese army . . . over three million scholars and intellectuals died . . . right-wing humanists?? . . . Don't make me laugh!! . . .