Stereotyping to make you cry.

[thebullet]

Bullet,

Mark this in red on your calendar. For once I agree with you.

Cat

I'll alert the media.

 

[SeaCat]

I'll alert the media.

LOL
Did you know Beer in the Sinuses smarts? Ouch!

Cat

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Late Answer:

Because men are scum.

Most enjoy and profit from a system where women are meat marketed and then fored to gain esteem entirely from their bodies while judging entirely on male bodies is "off-limits" and "naughty".

That and the massive evil create a system where what happened can happen and does happen and oft happens with great frequency. It's also why most women use a height-weight chart that assumes they have size -A breasts

 

[BlackShanglan]

"Men are scum" is an answer I find simplistic and offensive. Humans are self-centered creatures. They like having their needs met and their tastes catered to, and this is as true of women as it is of men. It simply finds its expression in different ways. While it's true that I haven't seen many men - but I wouldn't say I'd seen none - obsessing over their bodies in the way that some women do, I also haven't seen many women obsessing over their ability to finance their partner's desired lifestyle at quite the level I've seen men sweating it - and I don't believe I've ever heard a man state a specific figure on the value of a wedding ring he expected to receive, while I have frequently heard women outlining quite mercenary and specific qualifications for the size and price of diamond that they firmly expect to receive with a serious proposal.

Humans can be ugly. The most self-centered and greedy - the ones who seem to regard the world as made up of material objects that they wish to possess, including people - are inevitably nasty. They can, however, be of either gender. No one has cornered the market on misery or on nastiness. Yes, male oppression of women is an historical fact and a current reality in some areas. However, this is not, in my opinion, because men are scum. It is because the nature of humanity is that we tend not to look very hard at things that benefit us, and because the world is made up of basically good-willed people who like comfort and stability, and a few quite evil people who really don't care what happens to others. Eventually, the essentially good-willed can be prodded, nudged, and occasionally jolted into making changes, even those that don't benefit them personally. It does take a while, but it would take equally long, I think, regardless of the presence or absence of a Y chromosome.

Shanglan

 

[SeaCat]

Men are scum?
Sometimes they are. I readily admit to this. I know too many who I wouldn't trust to watch my wallet behind glass much less watch after my wife. (Then again I know more than a few women like this as well.)

Then you have people who actually give a shit. No this isn't limited only to men or women. Hell I think it's split about fifty fifty. (It' split about fifty fifty between men and women. Out of a group of people I would have to say that maybe ten percent of the people actually give a shit about other people.) Personally I would just say that people are scum.

Cat

 

[elsol]

I was wondering when we would get to the 'Men are scum' part of this...

Congratulations, you held it a lot longer than I thought possible.


Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[SeaCat]

I was wondering when we would get to the 'Men are scum' part of this...

Congratulations, you held it a lot longer than I thought possible.


Sincerely,
ElSol

Didn't they though?

Cat

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Didn't they though?

Cat

Didn't (I) though.

I'm quite singular in this belief.

Though I'm sure it was refreshing the men are scum belief first came from a man on the thread.

 

[elsol]

Didn't (I) though.

I'm quite singular in this belief.

Though I'm sure it was refreshing the men are scum belief first came from a man on the thread.

Do you really think you are 'quite singular' in the belief that 'Men are scum'?

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Even here though, you see the stereotype. The thin gals get loads of compliments while the larger ones of us get a handful if we are lucky.

I once talked to this slim African girl, who told me that back in her country, the ideals were reverse to what they are here. She was very pretty, this girl, tall and slim, but back in her country, boys wouldn't give her a second glance even.

"The fat girls got all the guys," she sighed.

 

[fairysong]

I once talked to this slim African girl, who told me that back in her country, the ideals were reverse to what they are here. She was very pretty, this girl, tall and slim, but back in her country, boys wouldn't give her a second glance even.

"The fat girls got all the guys," she sighed.

So, much of what is beauty depends on culture, on the value they have and thats where the ideals develop. I am spent most of my childhood growing up in Ireland then my Father's job required him to move and he took the family with him. We were stationed in Africa for about a year or so and I can say that beauty there was very different from the common western standards.

 

[sweetnpetite]

American Males like Big Breasts. A lot.

Or so marketing, porn, art, literature, film, television, magazines, newspapers, plastic surgeons, horny teenage boys and horny grown men tell us.

If we were inundated with messages about how men like small breasts, the larger ladies would all be stressing about how our breasts are too big and we'd be getting boob reduction surgery.

*shrug*

The best breasts are the ones that feel good when they're touched.

They do anyway.

It seems that no matter what we look like, we're taught to be inscecure and unhappy about it. We have a love hate relationship with our titties

Many many woman whom nature gave big breasts to dress to minimize or deemphasize them. I am always suprised that women's magazines very often
have articles- "dress for your type" and usually the advice for well endowed women is not to empahsize or draw any attention to them- for example, big chested women are counciled not to wear big frilly v-neck shirts as this would both make them look bigger and draw attention to the area.

Even Cosmo and such; they may show a small breasted women how to make hers look bigger, but a big breasted women is always shown how to make them look smaller. Well, I have big breasts and I usually try to make them look bigger, so I just ignore the advice and do the opposite. But the lesson is, whatever you look like, try to look different.

If you're hair is straight, perm it. If it's curly, straighten it. If your pale, get a tan, if your dark, bleach it, if your flat, stuff; if your boosomy, squish, if your heavy, slenderize, if your skinny bulk up (but not too much), if your short wear heals, if your tall, wear flats.

 

[LadyJeanne]

They do anyway.

It seems that no matter what we look like, we're taught to be inscecure and unhappy about it. We have a love hate relationship with our titties

Many many woman whom nature gave big breasts to dress to minimize or deemphasize them. I am always suprised that women's magazines very often
have articles- "dress for your type" and usually the advice for well endowed women is not to empahsize or draw any attention to them- for example, big chested women are counciled not to wear big frilly v-neck shirts as this would both make them look bigger and draw attention to the area.

Even Cosmo and such; they may show a small breasted women how to make hers look bigger, but a big breasted women is always shown how to make them look smaller. Well, I have big breasts and I usually try to make them look bigger, so I just ignore the advice and do the opposite. But the lesson is, whatever you look like, try to look different.

If you're hair is straight, perm it. If it's curly, straighten it. If your pale, get a tan, if your dark, bleach it, if your flat, stuff; if your boosomy, squish, if your heavy, slenderize, if your skinny bulk up (but not too much), if your short wear heals, if your tall, wear flats.

Yeah, I guess if we're not insecure about our appearances, we can't be persuaded to buy all the stuff they want us to buy, and we might spend more time figuring out how to rule the world instead of our unruly hair.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Yeah, I guess if we're not insecure about our appearances, we can't be persuaded to buy all the stuff they want us to buy, and we might spend more time figuring out how to rule the world instead of our unruly hair.

this too, would make a great t=shirt.

 

[Ferawyn]

If you're hair is straight, perm it. If it's curly, straighten it. If your pale, get a tan, if your dark, bleach it, if your flat, stuff; if your boosomy, squish, if your heavy, slenderize, if your skinny bulk up (but not too much), if your short wear heals, if your tall, wear flats.

This would suggest that society wants women to all look alike. Average and unremarkable. How utterly boring.

From what I've seen, Yui has a beautiful petite figure and smooth features. McKenna has the most fantastic cheekbones and gorgeous hair. Mlady France always has great lingerie and cleavage that makes your jaw drop. English Lady has curves you just want to lick and lick...

None of these are average and I thank god for that. I say accentuate your differences. Show the world just what makes you beautiful.

(And please keep on showing us as well. )

 

[Selena_Kitt]

It does take a while, but it would take equally long, I think, regardless of the presence or absence of a Y chromosome.

Bravo!

and for the record... I don't believe for a minute that men are scum... men are amazing creatures as a whole...

They are completely foreign to me sometimes, and so very "other" but oh that makes them so much more interesting and enjoyable...

and I don't believe this culture, the way it is, was created by ONE gender, either. Both are equally responsible for the creation and continued implementation of the dynamic. And the patriarchal power principle doesn't discriminate, it hurts men equally as much as it hurts women, we just don't SEE that part, and in fact, it could be argued that men are MORE hurt by it because women can claim the "victim" role in it all...

I also have to say, I'd rather live in this power principle than the reverse (a matriarchy). If you think men can be viscious...! At least they know how to use their swords...

 

[BlackShanglan]

Though I'm sure it was refreshing the men are scum belief first came from a man on the thread.

Fairly predictable, actually. And it has roughly the same charm as a woman announcing that all women are bitches and whores.

Shanglan

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Fairly predictable, actually. And it has roughly the same charm as a woman announcing that all women are bitches and whores.

Shanglan

Charm? You think I hold this view for some sort of charm? Some kind of "Women will dig me if they think I'm on their side" thing?

Perhaps predictable. No, actually, very predictable. One who knows it comes to hate it.

Perhaps I should have refrained from comment entirely as my own extremist non-feminist belief is far overshadowing the point I was trying to make that women are meat-marketed into relying on shallow body-related compliments for their self-esteem and this fact of society produces these tragedies.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Charm? You think I hold this view for some sort of charm? Some kind of "Women will dig me if they think I'm on their side" thing?

Ah, do forgive the expression. Merely a habit of thought. I think most things worthless that lack charm. Or, if you care for Matthew Arnold, sweetness and light. That which produces no beauty or joy in the world cannot be the way forward. One might also suggest pragmatically that that which lacks charm is rarely attended by much of an audience.

Perhaps I should have refrained from comment entirely as my own extremist non-feminist belief is far overshadowing the point I was trying to make that women are meat-marketed into relying on shallow body-related compliments for their self-esteem and this fact of society produces these tragedies.

On that point, of course, I'm quite willing to agree with you. I would only suggest that masculine role models can be equally destructive. For every "Aurora Leigh," there's a Death of a Salesman.