Stalkers

[Seadog777]

Somehow I've stumbled onto the trial of Nikolas Cruz, the 2018 Parkland school shooter, online. Chilling to see how calm he is, and compare that to what he did. There were many signs going back for years hinting that something was wrong with him. He had plenty of shrinks, special ed teachers, and so forth, but none of that helped.

One can knock New York, but I've never heard of a mass school shooting here. People will kill each other over money or drugs, but at least they have some reason. It seems to be more common in these suburban places between the cities and the rural areas. That seems to have started with Columbine, in Littleton, CO. Everybody was shocked that it could happen there.

Answering this would send me into a rant and down a rabbit hole.

 

[Duleigh]

Somehow I've stumbled onto the trial of Nikolas Cruz, the 2018 Parkland school shooter, online. Chilling to see how calm he is, and compare that to what he did. There were many signs going back for years hinting that something was wrong with him. He had plenty of shrinks, special ed teachers, and so forth, but none of that helped.

One can knock New York, but I've never heard of a mass school shooting here. People will kill each other over money or drugs, but at least they have some reason. It seems to be more common in these suburban places between the cities and the rural areas. That seems to have started with Columbine, in Littleton, CO. Everybody was shocked that it could happen there.

I lived there for years and met a lot of people, my boss went to that school.
Shocked? yes.
Surprised? No.
As for mass shootings Not Occurring In Big Cities - Did we forget Las Vegas? And we still haven't heard what caused that monster to go over the edge. Chicago? 625 people murdered for the fun of it last year. How many Asian women have been tossed in front of a train in NYC? Just because it doesn't fit a narrative and the DA's refuse to enforce the law, doesn't make it right.

 

[jsmiam]

Okay, if you say so. The Bronx has 1.5 million people so that shouldn't be a problem. I can't imagine how a story could be …

Ah, I see your point. I ended up going on my forums tangent more so than stories, because it’s the forums where a few folks get alarmingly open at times. (Yes I’m quite concerned bordering on or crossing into paranoid too, though.) My point is folks should at least strive not to make it easy on the bad players.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I lived there for years and met a lot of people, my boss went to that school.
Shocked? yes.
Surprised? No.
As for mass shootings Not Occurring In Big Cities - Did we forget Las Vegas? And we still haven't heard what caused that monster to go over the edge. Chicago? 625 people murdered for the fun of it last year. How many Asian women have been tossed in front of a train in NYC? Just because it doesn't fit a narrative and the DA's refuse to enforce the law, doesn't make it right.

I didn't say it made it right. Actually, the D.A.s do try to enforce the laws as far as I know, as the police generally do too. (Whether they do it in a correct "manner" has obviously been very controversial.) Are there any particular cases you are referring to that have been ignored by the authorities?

Las Vegas is the one big-city exception I can point to. That was strange because he was an adult. The murder rate is very high in Chicago and in some other cities. In any case, the killings in Chicago and elsewhere are almost entirely drug/gang/domestic violence related, which is a different phenomenon. There have been some racially motivated shootings, like Dylann Roof, I think his name was.

I'd have to check how many people are pushed in front of trains in New York. Probably it's less than ten per year. Not many of them are Asian women. Far more people fall on the tracks, commit suicide, or fall between the cars. There should be gates blocking the tracks at the busiest stations (the platforms can be very narrow) and that has been proposed in a few places but nothing has happened yet. The moving doors have to be maintained, and the MTA is constantly repairing things like the escalators and elevators they already have.

Mass shootings should probably be divided between school shootings (usually disgruntled teenagers) and workplace shootings (usually workers, older, with grievances against their employers - including being fired). There are some mall shootings and such, that seem to be the work of young adults mostly. That woman in Nashville last week was 28, but she struck me as being immature for her age.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I can't imagine how a story could be narrowed to a few dozen people in the whole world, but I suppose you've seen it. In my view, there has to be a balance between caution and living in fear/paranoia.

As soon as you multiply a few factors together, you come down to very small numbers.

Say I wrote a story about a woman who was blind, with a guide dog. There's 5000 guide dogs working in the UK, say 2500 with women, maybe 500 of those women in London (a city of 8 to 10 million people).

I give her a certain profession, maybe a lawyer, say a solicitor. We've now narrowed it down to about 5 women. If the character is gay or Asian, we've probably pinpointed one woman who would be understandably miffed if she were unexpectedly portrayed in one of my stories.

I've 'met' one of my neighbours online before, when an anecdote about our street was posted on a parenting site. I asked if she was $username, she changed it. I never told her mine.

A fair few UK Litters have mentioned directly or indirectly what towns they're from. A few could be tracked down if I were so inclined. Some have said they're too old to care about threats or blackmail. I'm not admitting to much, myself, so there's at least plausible deniability. I had a stalker for a couple months as a student (college security threatened him with the police which didn't help, then some friends of mine went round and beat him up) and don't want the experience again.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Ah, I see your point. I ended up going on my forums tangent more so than stories, because it’s the forums where a few folks get alarmingly open at times. (Yes I’m quite concerned bordering on or crossing into paranoid too, though.) My point is folks should at least strive not to make it easy on the bad players.

They way I see it, with present conditions, that odds of me being confronted by a Lit stalker may be around 0.2% in any five-year period. That may be on the high side. I really don't know how many incidents there have been, so I'm just guessing.

The odds of me being confronted by somebody on the street or subway (either by a criminal or a crazy person) might be 5% in the same period. I may be underestimating that.

That's my priorities, that's how I assess the risks.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Answering this would send me into a rant and down a rabbit hole.

Hah, sorry! Didn't I mention the Cold Blood killers (what was that nice town? Holcomb, Kansas?) and Charlie Starkweather in Nebraska? I know, sample sizes are too small.

People used to hitchhike a lot, but that was probably never such a great idea. A lot of it used to be done anyway. Didn't I post this clip before? I think this incident with Dick and Perry really happened. (Yeah, I put it on the Robert Blake thread.)

I think in the end they didn't kill anybody that way. Some guy with a small boy in the car picked them up.

 

[jsmiam]

They way I see it, with present conditions, that odds of me being confronted by a Lit stalker may be around 0.2% in any five-year period. That may be on the high side. I really don't know how many incidents there have been, so I'm just guessing.

The odds of me being confronted by somebody on the street or subway (either by a criminal or a crazy person) might be 5% in the same period. I may be underestimating that.

That's my priorities, that's how I assess the risks.

Well, you didn’t burst onto lit with a screenname that was your real name, brag about it, post real face and real picture and real pet threads. You’re safe. ;-)

But what we are all doing here is controversial. It doesn’t have to be stalkers. Just anyone where it might be embarrassing or awkward to be outed.

 

[RoperTrace]

Oh, I see that "crazy lady" is somewhat like the Glenn Close character in Fatal Attraction. The term "bunny boiler" has entered our language now.

I was thinking of the Jessica Walter character with Clint Eastwood in 'Play Misty for Me.' She scared the hell out of me.

 

[gunhilltrain]

As soon as you multiply a few factors together, you come down to very small numbers.

Say I wrote a story about a woman who was blind, with a guide dog. There's 5000 guide dogs working in the UK, say 2500 with women, maybe 500 of those women in London (a city of 8 to 10 million people).

I give her a certain profession, maybe a lawyer, say a solicitor. We've now narrowed it down to about 5 women. If the character is gay or Asian, we've probably pinpointed one woman who would be understandably miffed if she were unexpectedly portrayed in one of my stories.

I've 'met' one of my neighbours online before, when an anecdote about our street was posted on a parenting site. I asked if she was $username, she changed it. I never told her mine.

A fair few UK Litters have mentioned directly or indirectly what towns they're from. A few could be tracked down if I were so inclined. Some have said they're too old to care about threats or blackmail. I'm not admitting to much, myself, so there's at least plausible deniability. I had a stalker for a couple months as a student (college security threatened him with the police which didn't help, then some friends of mine went round and beat him up) and don't want the experience again.

I suppose those numbers are accurate. In any case, the gay/Asian/lawyer woman would first have to find Lit. Then she'd have to find the story, among how many stories on here? Then she'd have to find you. No disrespect intended, but I can't imagine Asian female guide-dog users putting that much effort into it.

There are real stalker cases, like the one who found you on the college campus. (Another student?) I'd be particularly concerned now with dating apps, because there are so many people on them, meeting in very abrupt ways with complete strangers. A lot of people admit using them purely for hook-ups (although some fool themselves into thinking they are not doing that).

 

[KeithD]

As I've noted before, someone posting to Lit. did correctly identify me via the stories I posted here. She wasn't malicious about it, but she named me accurately. She did want to meet, though, and identified when she would be only a couple of block away from where I live. I shut it down and she cooperated with that. (This happened via another web site, and that person did show up at my door and wanted more of a personal relationship, but that was a mainstream site that I was on in true name.)

So, it can happen here.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I was thinking of the Jessica Walter character with Clint Eastwood in 'Play Misty for Me.' She scared the hell out of me.

In that case he's a disk jockey who hooks up with a fan. (Disk jockeys have groupies?) In any case, the celebrity-groupie thing has been going on for a long time, but it seems pretty risky - probably for both parties. Some guys who get famous at a young age loose sight of the fact that they are not invincible. Does Leo DiCaprio vet the new ones he gets every three years or so?

I think I mentioned that when I was on dating "sites" two decades ago, and both I and the women could be rather careless. Two of them had worse judgment than I did, but fortunately I didn't go through with it.

 

[gunhilltrain]

As I've noted before, someone posting to Lit. did correctly identify me via the stories I posted here. She wasn't malicious about it, but she named me accurately. She did want to meet, though, and identified when she would be only a couple of block away from where I live. I shut it down and she cooperated with that. (This happened via another web site, and that person did show up at my door and wanted more of a personal relationship, but that was a mainstream site that I was on in true name.)

So, it can happen here.

I didn't say it couldn't happen. Since you've brought this up, how did the Lit woman find you? Maybe it's too personal; your choice. I could offer up the details of one of my dating site stories. Well, maybe I'll keep it real short.

 

[Bramblethorn]

As soon as you multiply a few factors together, you come down to very small numbers.

Say I wrote a story about a woman who was blind, with a guide dog. There's 5000 guide dogs working in the UK, say 2500 with women, maybe 500 of those women in London (a city of 8 to 10 million people).

I give her a certain profession, maybe a lawyer, say a solicitor. We've now narrowed it down to about 5 women. If the character is gay or Asian, we've probably pinpointed one woman who would be understandably miffed if she were unexpectedly portrayed in one of my stories.

I've 'met' one of my neighbours online before, when an anecdote about our street was posted on a parenting site. I asked if she was $username, she changed it. I never told her mine.

A fair few UK Litters have mentioned directly or indirectly what towns they're from. A few could be tracked down if I were so inclined. Some have said they're too old to care about threats or blackmail. I'm not admitting to much, myself, so there's at least plausible deniability. I had a stalker for a couple months as a student (college security threatened him with the police which didn't help, then some friends of mine went round and beat him up) and don't want the experience again.

One I recall from a few years back: a poster here mentioned that they had written in to a certain publication about a certain topic. The letter was many years ago, but the publication had online archives, and it would not have been a lot of work to find the letter with their name attached.

Others have mentioned the deaths of family members, under circumstances that would have had the death recorded in searchable public records, with enough accompanying detail to narrow it down to a unique individual.

Others have mentioned working in occupations where practitioners are registered in a publicly searchable database. And so on.

I suspect some of these folk have falsified some of the details they share here; I certainly hope so, for their sakes.

 

[KeithD]

I didn't say it couldn't happen. Since you've brought this up, how did the Lit woman find you? Maybe it's too personal; your choice. I could offer up the details of one of my dating site stories.

Purely from my stories--apparently knowing people who had served with me where I was describing some real circumstances/events--I try to stick close to historical fact. As I recall, I mistakenly used a real first name for someone in an embassy position when I was there, and she knew the person in that position (which then made my position pretty obvious in the context of the story).

First, the last time I looked, she was still posting here (with a new account), but not on the AH. Maybe she'll come along to say something. But I hope she's put this into the past as much as I have. I'm sure posters here can understand the shock of opening a PM and seeing my real name, especially since I'm a real author of very nonerotic themes in the mainstream.

Second, the amusing part of this is that for years posters were doubting anything I connected to personally as anything I could have done. (There are still a few posting here who came together within the past year to gangbang me on the AH about a background I won't deny but don't go to great lengths to assert on the discussion board--it usually pops up in my stories, and few of you read those). The fun reality is that a poster here couldn't have identified me correctly solely from my stories if it has all been made up.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I lived there for years and met a lot of people, my boss went to that school.
Shocked? yes.
Surprised? No.
As for mass shootings Not Occurring In Big Cities - Did we forget Las Vegas? And we still haven't heard what caused that monster to go over the edge. Chicago? 625 people murdered for the fun of it last year. How many Asian women have been tossed in front of a train in NYC? Just because it doesn't fit a narrative and the DA's refuse to enforce the law, doesn't make it right.

I'm sorry, I almost missed it. You meant Columbine? This psychologist tries to explain Columbine. And yet, at the end, it still baffles me.

 

[Seadog777]

Well, you didn’t burst onto lit with a screenname that was your real name, brag about it, post real face and real picture and real pet threads. You’re safe. ;-)

But what we are all doing here is controversial. It doesn’t have to be stalkers. Just anyone where it might be embarrassing or awkward to be outed.

Yep, I burst onto the scene and have been slaying it ever since.
I'm not embarrassed about a god damn thing.
I told him there and again in court, if our families hadn't been there, I'd beaten him like that scene in "A Man Apart".

 

[tenyari]

As for mass shootings Not Occurring In Big Cities - Did we forget Las Vegas? And we still haven't heard what caused that monster to go over the edge. Chicago? 625 people murdered for the fun of it last year. How many Asian women have been tossed in front of a train in NYC? Just because it doesn't fit a narrative and the DA's refuse to enforce the law, doesn't make it right.

There is something deeply wrong in the psych in the USA. Mass shootings, Racist murders, and murders for so many trivial reasons have become a norm.

We love to talk about how dangerous other countries are. We look at Mexico with it's Cartel violence while ignoring our gangs and our mass shootings. And the Cartels pick targets that are rarely random (when some fool does pick at random, he finds the Cartel itself hands him to the police. If he's lucky...). I remember when we and Mexico were so focused on the 40 college students killed by corrupt police down there a decade ago, yet we'd celebrate if we could go a single day in the USA with less than 40 people killed by police. I'm only bringing up Mexico because my recent stories and visits there have it in my thoughts. But I could repeat this with most of the countries around the world.

It's only when I get to failed states like Somalia or war zones like the Ukraine that the numbers start to be comparable.

Whether a country does or does not have guns is not so much the answer, or Switzerland would be a kill zone. Whether or not police are armed to the teeth is not the issue either or Mexico's police would be globally infamous (they walk around with machine guns down there - sometimes mounted into things - yet they're also super friendly regardless of whether you're White, Indian, Mestizo, Black, or some 'crazy foreigner').

For everything we love to blame it on in the USA, you can find places around the world that defy that explanation.

 

[KeithD]

Time to move this out of the AH.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Well, you didn’t burst onto lit with a screenname that was your real name, brag about it, post real face and real picture and real pet threads. You’re safe. ;-)

But what we are all doing here is controversial. It doesn’t have to be stalkers. Just anyone where it might be embarrassing or awkward to be outed.

True, but I think I mentioned that I told somebody I know to remove their address from a Facebook page. It was an accident; she photographed an Amazon label that had come with her new coffee maker, the main topic of the post. It had been there for a couple of years, and she had forgotten about. I think many people have started to wise up about Facebook, but for a while it was out of control.

I can remember a time before social media, and it really was a different world.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Time to move this out of the AH.

The AH_Mod is right up there at the top left. I think we're about done with this topic anyway

 

[KeithD]

The AH_Mod is right up there at the top left. I think we're about done with this topic anyway

I think the hint should be able to be registered without the intervention of the Mod. (Were you thinking I wouldn't know how to report a thread to a Mod? Not, by the way that the Mod is noted at the top left of my view anyway.)

 

[gunhilltrain]

I think the hint should be able to be registered without the intervention of the Mod. (Were you thinking I wouldn't know how to report a thread to a Mod? Not, by the way that the Mod is noted at the top left of my view anyway.)

Whatever, I don't know. All I know is that I'm done with this thread.

 

[LupusDei]

The most blatant self doxing I have seen is done by some cam girls. And don't say opsec wouldn't be possible for those who are into steaming live their quasi-public flashing. One doesn't need to broadcast exit and return to their home.

But this one girl, she wasn't even into that, she was in her flat. A very nice one, and she was broadcasting from anywhere in it, not just the bedroom. And at one point (with nearly 2k people watching) she's standing up (naked as she was) and moving the camera, and the camera briefly focused out of the window. I don't know if she did that deliberately (I had sound off), it's in theory possible she did so. Well, the sight was nice.

Sure, I haven't ever been to that town (midsized province capital in Russia), but I had casually flew over it in Google Earth, and had seen some iconic buildings of the main square in the news, and she's apparently on the fourth floor (+/-1) of a building right next to that square. I practically knew her address right then, or it wouldn't have taken me fifteen minutes from there to get it confirmed, had I been so inclined, up to that little uncertainty about the exact apparent.