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[lustfulyoungguy]

But there's a story in the incest section that was recently published that I need to complain about.

It's called Daddy's cock and it clearly features underage sexual acts. How it got through I don't know.

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

But there's a story in the incest section that was recently published that I need to complain about.

It's called Daddy's cock and it clearly features underage sexual acts. How it got through I don't know.

Isn't there a 'report this story' function you could use?

 

[GrandTeton]

As good as anywhere. In the lower right corner of each page of the story there is a grey box that goes red when you run the cursor over it. That's the report story button. Lit is fairly good about deleting underage sexual stuff that leaks through the filters.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Boom, it's right there in the second paragraph.

There is no wrong place to complain about filth like that, only more efficient ones if you want it dealt with.

 

[Alice_Rosaleen]

I'm glad someone said something because that second paragraph made me sick to my stomach. Some people's fantasies are other people's trauma.

 

[Emirus]

It’s still there. Author Daddykink18. 2 negative comments about it but favourited by 4 people, one in the last 5 minutes. You have to wonder about those people as well. I’ve reported it and I assume several others have also.

How come that something gets through admin when the below age sex is right at the beginning when other writers have doubtless been rejected when admin have to read halfway through the story to find fault? Especially if it’s been rejected on technical grounds.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It’s still there. Author Daddykink18. 2 negative comments about it but favourited by 4 people, one in the last 5 minutes. You have to wonder about those people as well. I’ve reported it and I assume several others have also.

How come that something gets through admin when the below age sex is right at the beginning when other writers have doubtless been rejected when admin have to read halfway through the story to find fault? Especially if it’s been rejected on technical grounds.

One person scans every story, possibly also using fallible word-search scripts. One assumes a bad day.

The site relies on this kind of self-policing to catch what slips through. Pat yourselves on the back.

 

[MelissaBaby]

It’s still there. Author Daddykink18. 2 negative comments about it but favourited by 4 people, one in the last 5 minutes. You have to wonder about those people as well. I’ve reported it and I assume several others have also.

How come that something gets through admin when the below age sex is right at the beginning when other writers have doubtless been rejected when admin have to read halfway through the story to find fault? Especially if it’s been rejected on technical grounds.

I reported it.

You know, I took the effort to contact Laurel for advice as to how I could sensitively handle my character's teenage daughter coming out to him without straying into questionable territory. Not only is this story repugnant on moral grounds, it disrespects the site and puts everyone who contributes here at risk of losing the venue.

 

[Lindsay_O]

I reported it as well. It looks like it's now off the *NEW* list.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I'm surprised to see so many people being so judgey about someone elses kink. It violates the site rules, so fine, but this vitriol is humorously hypocritical. Lots of us write about acts that are illegal or otherwise immoral in the real world. Letting fantasy be fantasy is something that allows the site to work as well as it does.

Nobody wants to have their kink poked with the Ew stick, so maybe a little professional respect is in order?

 

[Lindsay_O]

I'm surprised to see so many people being so judgey about someone elses kink. It violates the site rules, so fine, but this vitriol is humorously hypocritical. Lots of us write about acts that are illegal or otherwise immoral in the real world. Letting fantasy be fantasy is something that allows the site to work as well as it does.

Nobody wants to have their kink poked with the Ew stick, so maybe a little professional respect is in order?

So, a "fetish" or "kink" to rape a four year old is "okay in your book"?

 

[AwkwardMD]

That is the point of fantasy writing. Processing thoughts and emotions that have no outlet in the real world. If writing a story about raping a four year old saves an actual four year old from rape, yeah. I'm okay with that.

I know that fantasy can help process these thoughts, not gateway to worse, because that's what I do. I believe in it and I defend it. For you to use the site for your own orgasmic benefit but poopoo others is highly hypocritical.

 

[AwkwardMD]

Another site I use, Hentai Foundry, used to allow artwork and stories involving underage characters. American law is clear that art (graphic, stories, statues, etc) can explore themes like that because they directly harm no one. In the same way that video games don't make you violent, underaged characters do not make readers into pedophiles.

HF no longer allows that because, and this is not a joke, pressure was applied to the service provider that hosted HF. They didn't care about the content until it threatened their bottom line

Literotica is in the same boat. Allowing underage content would hurt their bottom line. It has nothing to do with any nose turning or illegality.

 

[AwkwardMD]

You know who writes a story about raping a four year old? Someone who is plagued by those thoughts and knows better. They need a release, so they write a story anonymously. If they didn't understand the difference between right and wrong, they'd have just raped the four year old.

Taking away that writer's platform just leaves them back where they started. Plagued. So yeah. From where I stand, that's a net loss.

Score one for the moral majority though.

 

[Alice_Rosaleen]

Awkward MD, normally I would agree with you about not kink-shaming, even rape or otherwise illegal scenarios. But it was about more than rape, it was about grooming a child for as far back as they remember (according to the character in said story) to be a victim. If I wanted to read about pedophilia, I would have reread Lolita (beautiful, but still about pedophilia Edit- technically hebephilia, but it's still about being attracted to an underdeveloped child).

 

[AwkwardMD]

I've written about intense emotional conditioning and dehumanization (pet play). My victim was of age because that was the story I wanted to tell. Pretty much every parent/child incest story ever is, at the root of it, emotionally abusive on some level. Some include a token justification for it, but that doesn't change what it is, or that if it happened in the real world it would be very illegal.

I'm not defending the content of the story. I have no interest in underage characters or the stories that includes them, but I do believe in the psychological, therapeutic power of fantasy and I would never deny anyone the chance to feel like they might not be alone with the thoughts in their head.

 

[Alice_Rosaleen]

I understand writing out your demons. That's at least half my stories. And I understand the financial politics that go along with setting age limits, but I also like knowing that when I start reading an erotic story on Lit that it won't go into detail about child molestation.

 

[AwkwardMD]

If I wanted to read about pedophilia, I would have reread Lolita (beautiful, but still about pedophilia Edit- technically hebephilia, but it's still about being attracted to an underdeveloped child).

So because Lolita was written by a skilled professional, rendering it beautiful, that makes it different than this story written by an amateur?

Millions of people have read Lolita. It didn't cause a crisis of conscience that plunged the world into a child-raping dystopia, and neither will this.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I understand writing out your demons. That's at least half my stories. And I understand the financial politics that go along with setting age limits, but I also like knowing that when I start reading an erotic story on Lit that it won't go into detail about child molestation.

So your problem is that they didn't properly advertise their child rape? Really?

 

[AwkwardMD]

Isolation is how things like this become real world problems. Pitcairn Island is a perfect example of how doing something where no one is looking goes systematically wrong.

Oversight, public visibilty, and a healthy discussion between respectful peers is how you keep something like this in fantasy and out of the shadows.

 

[Alice_Rosaleen]

So your problem is that they didn't properly advertise their child rape? Really?

Yes because then it wouldn't have been published on this site because it violates the rules.
Lolita was beautifully written but nothing about Humbert Humbert's sickly, disturbed character glamorizes kidnapping and raping children. And it's not written from the pov of a girl happy to have been groomed by her father since toddlerhood. There are plenty of forums for those kinds of fantasies, though, so perhaps the author can experience their catharsis there.

 

[Alice_Rosaleen]

Incidentally, anyone interested in the above fantasy should read Incest, A Tragic Tale by Marquis de Sade. Short, compared to his other tomes, but just as sadistic. And those books, like Nabakov's, were often banned, but I've read them both because I don't believe in taking away artistic voices either. Just respecting the reader's right to chose when they consume them.

 

[Valint]

Another site I use, Hentai Foundry, used to allow artwork and stories involving underage characters. American law is clear that art (graphic, stories, statues, etc) can explore themes like that because they directly harm no one.

I'm sorry, but you're dangerously wrong.

There's a common mistaken belief on the Internet that artwork depicted underaged characters can't be prosecuted as child porn after the Supreme Court struck down the CPPA in 2002. This, however, ignores that that decision led almost immediately to the Protect Act of 2003, which was crafted to fix the problems with the CPPA. If you are telling people that it's not possible to go to prison for possessing pornographic Simpsons' cartoons, you should probably stop.

As for textual depictions...

You know who writes a story about raping a four year old?

Well, according to the Middle District of Georgia, Frank McCoy did, which ended up landing him in prison for eighteen months for the crime of transporting obscene materials, despite having an English professor testify that he believed the stories had literary merit.

Stories will get you a lot more leeway on First Amendment grounds, but if you believe that there is an absolute bar against charging people with obscenity over stories of underaged sex, you're mistaken.

You're free to believe that the law shouldn't work that way, but if you tell people that this kind of behavior isn't against the law, you're dangerously misleading them.

(And, yeah, I know this discussion cropped up in another thread just the other day, but besides the general issue with people being wrong on the Internet, I'd hate to see someone get themselves in trouble because they don't realize potential consequences of actions.)

 

[MelissaBaby]

Apparently, I'm a hypocritical kink basher.

I'm okay with that.