Something to think about...

[A Desert Rose]

http://www.newsday.com/news/columni...ep19,0,296765.column?coll=ny-news-columnists\

There are no words to describe the disgust I feel at this episode.

 

[Howling_Ire]

that is extreamly disgusting..i'd say they were technicaly raped... i think the idea that those kids not be allowed to play football is correct....and that they would go out thier and think they have the right to after behaveing so badly...good god..

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Makes me wonder about two things.

Where are parents of these assholes, to include those of the cheerleaders and the not charged players?

What ever happened to the Scared Straight program from the 80s-90s?

 

[A Desert Rose]

Makes me wonder about two things.

Where are parents of these assholes, to include those of the cheerleaders and the not charged players?

What ever happened to the Scared Straight program from the 80s-90s?

What I do not understand is why everyone is so afraid to talk. I have 2 kids... young adults and if we were involved in something like this and withheld information, we would be just as culpable as the perpetrators. I would not be afraid. It's those who committed the crime who should be sitting in fear... of someone like me.

 

[Ebonyfire]

The same type of thing happened in one of the high schools in Washington State a few years back.

Listen, athletics rule in most high schools, so the conspiracy of silence goes way back.

However, there are schools who do uphold a standard of decency. Too bad they do not get the press.

 

[Desdemona]

I'm disgusted by this whole situation.

 

[A Desert Rose]

The same type of thing happened in one of the high schools in Washington State a few years back.

Listen, athletics rule in most high schools, so the conspiracy of silence goes way back.

However, there are schools who do uphold a standard of decency. Too bad they do not get the press.

You are right about athletes ruling most high schools and colleges. It's unfortunate that that happens. And most schools (I won't google for stats because I don't know how and I could give a fuck less) do not have these kinds of incidents occuring. Thank God, these kinds of activities are a rarity.

But... it's all disgusting.

 

[s'lara]

What seems to be happening here is a need to "out do" the last shock-fest hazing on campus. Although, i've heard of similar type hazings where the inductees were subjected to some form of sexual humiliation.

What's the point really? Is a bond supposed to form between the players because the kids don't speak out? i understand the intent behind this particular type of hazing ... humiliation at its base with a litte subjugation thrown in. For the boys, this has to be a particularly rough experience as it is happening at such a delicate time (discovering their sexuality, forming friendships, etc.). Add to that an inability to talk about it for fear of being called a chicken. What a rock and a hard place situation. i guess the nature of the hazing ensures the no win predicament. Don't tell and endure the after affects of an emasculating (for them) experience or tell and have the spotlight turned on to what is already a degrading experience. Cripes.

What i don't understand is why hazing has moved from the super brutal beatings to sexual humiliation? Any thoughts?

lara

 

[Bachlum Chaam]

Were my kids on the receiving end of that I would kill those that did it, plain and v simple

 

[A Desert Rose]

Were my kids on the receiving end of that I would kill those that did it, plain and v simple

Like I said, I would have nothing to fear, it's the perpetrators who need to sit in fear of what I would do to them.

I agree with your anger 100%.

 

[redelicious]

A pine cone? Fucking unbelievable.

I can't even think about what I would do if that were my kid.

 

[A Desert Rose]

A pine cone? Fucking unbelievable.

I can't even think about what I would do if that were my kid.

Yes, and from what I am reading of this, most people (kids included) feel more fear at coming forward than remorse or a sense of responsiblity to the victims.

That disturbs me almost as much as the actual incident. We are responsible, in one way or another to each other.

 

[redelicious]

Yes, and from what I am reading of this, most people (kids included) feel more fear at coming forward than remorse or a sense of responsiblity to the victims.

That disturbs me almost as much as the actual incident. We are responsible, in one way or another to each other.

Well, I was thinking more in terms of what I would do if my child had been raped.

I know one thing, if I had been one of the students who was a witness I could not live with myself.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Well, I was thinking more in terms of what I would do if my child had been raped.

I know one thing, if I had been one of the students who was a witness I could not live with myself.

You are so right.

As one father said in that column, "The parents have to set an example for their children. They have to encourage their kids to tell the truth. Something terrible happened here. If we don't confront it, it will haunt us for the rest of our lives."

 

[WriterDom]

This thread should be moved. To where, I don't know.

 

[A Desert Rose]

This thread should be moved. To where, I don't know.

Suggest that to MissT, if you are bothered with it.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Can they shut down the football program permanently?

 

[A Desert Rose]

Can they shut down the football program permanently?

Yes, I do believe that the school board has the discretion to do so.

 

[WillowPuss]

That is just awful what happened to those poor boys.
I do hope they are all getting expert help to get then through it.

I also feel for the parents of the victims.
If they are anything like me, they will be feeling anger at the 'things' that did this to their sons; then guilt for encouraging them to play football; then disgust; and then hurt; and then guily again that it couldn't have been them ... and an overall feeling of loss and helplessness.


I do hope the 'things' are caught, and punished ... really punished. And publicly so - so that their peers know that what happened is not 'cool' or 'big' or 'smart'.

ANd ... if the 'things' are allowed at the school ever again, I hope and pray that they will be watched like hawks for the rest of their school lives.

 

[Bachlum Chaam]

That is just awful what happened to those poor boys.
I do hope they are all getting expert help to get then through it.

I also feel for the parents of the victims.
If they are anything like me, they will be feeling anger at the 'things' that did this to their sons; then guilt for encouraging them to play football; then disgust; and then hurt; and then guily again that it couldn't have been them ... and an overall feeling of loss and helplessness.


I do hope the 'things' are caught, and punished ... really punished. And publicly so - so that their peers know that what happened is not 'cool' or 'big' or 'smart'.

ANd ... if the 'things' are allowed at the school ever again, I hope and pray that they will be watched like hawks for the rest of their school lives.

Rage my lady, they would pay and not in court

 

[niteshade]

My sisters would be spilling their guts... it would not be an option, even if they were not inclined to tell on their own. Though I hope both of them would be big enough people not to require me to force them. The kids who won't say anything are as bad ias the kids who did it.