Soft,fuzzy cute things and why we eat them

[Earthgoddess]

Oh my God-what have I done!!!!

okay, well this is what happens when I post late at night-whew...
First as a responsible mother,wife and chef-
Meat should be eaten thoroughly cooked
Fish should not be eaten raw
Cow's meat should be cooked to an internal temperature of no less than 145 degrees Farenheit
Pork and Poultry should be cooked to 165

The microorganisms that inhabit meat/flesh foods can multiply rapidly and are in their ideal(most dangerous) environment when in a piece of raw meat...cooking can destroy most,but in light of the recent tragedies due to
e coli-not all.
Raw fish can carry high levels of parasites and if not from clean waters can also harbor unacceptable levels of toxins-cooking don't kill the pollutants,just the bugs.

Eating a healthy balanced diet based on less than 30% protein is ideal-protein choices should be plant based as often as possible-but thoroughly cooked lean cuts of flesh foods can be used in moderation.

Now I have done the responsible and good thing- I feel better,don't want to be blamed for endorsing health risks-
did Flamingo Blue post any safety tips regarding salmonella?

On to the more pressing and perverted issue-Vegetarians and Oral Sex
my vegan friend sucks and swallows-she feels that there is no moral quandary(sp) as she feels a moral compulsion to not eat other species...as long as it is her own species that she is ingesting she is ok with it.
It is way too early for this-I wonder if that means cannibalism among vegans is ok?mmmmmmm

 

[Naked Hunny]

Great that means i have another question to think about all day thanks alot Earthgoddess@

 

[April]

Darn it, Expertise. You beat me to it. Was gonna do the lyrics to that song. Guess I should get up earlier in the day, then.

 

[Bonnie Wee Lassie]

I love my meat and am proud to announce it. I think that woman should have kept her views to herself. Everyone is different. I don't yell at people because of what they eat. I mean I would never eat dog but some people do. I would never yell at them for there choice and I would expect the same from them. I am amazed you kept your cool. I wouldn't have.

Bonnie

 

[Weird Harold]

The cost of venison

We should only eat what we kill with our own hands, like our Native ancestors once did. Obvious problems with that in today's world.

Also some not so obvious problems with that. I am planning to go hunting in October. By the time I total up all of the gas, motel, ammunition, license and tag fees, etc, and assuming it's a sucessful hunt, any venison I eat in the next year is going to cost me about $15 a pound.

Plus I get to deal with all the vituperation from vegans and others who think I am evil because I would consider shooting and eating Bambi.

On to another aspect of this issue:

My youngest brother is severely overweight. The only diet he's found that works for him, is a high prtein diet that allows him all of the meat and fat he wants, and limits only the vegetable content. At last report, he's lost close to a hundred pounds and is healthier than he's been in 15 years.

I've often wondered if there is some relationship between the increase in cancers (specifically those of the digestive tract,) and the reduction of fats and meat in our society's diet. As a species, our diet has always been omnivorous, high in fats and animal protein. In the last fifty years, there has been a shift to "low-fat" and "low-cholestoral" foods, and numerous diatribes against "red meat" as being bad for us. As the average diet has changed to match the advice, there seems to be more warnings about colon cancer and other digestive tract disorders.

Could it be that our bodies can not only process red meat, but actually need animal protiens to stay healthy?

 

[Jade]

Re: The cost of venison

Could it be that our bodies can not only process red meat, but actually need animal protiens to stay healthy?

We do require, as humans vitamin B12 in our diets... which can only be found in animal products, which includes, eggs, fish, meat, milk, etc. This is one reaons why many undereducated vegans are failry unhealthy and have children wtih lower birthweigth and smaller head circumference... they are unaware of the necessity of this essential vitamin.

However, it doesnt HAVE to be red meat; no animal HAS to be harmed in order to meet these requirements (again: eggs, milk, cheese, etc.)

Hope that helps!

[Edited by Jade on 08-08-2000 at 05:13 PM]

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Listen to Jade! She knows of what she speaks. Vit. B12 deficiency takes a long time to manifest itself since B12 is the only vitamin to be stored by the liver in large quantities. If a healthy animal product-eater like myself were to undertake a strict vegan diet today, it would take 1-3 years to deplete my liver's stores of B12. But once depleted, I'd start having abnormal red-blood cell development resulting in chronic anemia. I might also develop serious nervous system problems as well.

That being said, Jade told me that manufacturers of many foods popular with vegans fortify their products with B12, but I don't know if it's in sufficient amounts.

Anyway, other than that, vegetarian diets are great as long as you make sure to eat a wide variety and meet all of your RDA's.

 

[Jade]

Listen to Jade! She knows of what she speaks.

That being said, Jade told me that manufacturers of many foods popular with vegans fortify their products with B12, but I don't know if it's in sufficient amounts.

Anyway, other than that, vegetarian diets are great as long as you make sure to eat a wide variety and meet all of your RDA's.

Thanks Ollie! I'll take that as a compliment.

In response... YES they are in sufficient amounts if they eat those types of things regularly. EG: many Soy products (especially soy milk) will come fortified with approx. 25-40% RDV per serving ... and often vegans eat MASSIVE quantities of food therefore making the serving sizes easily.. again it is all about which products they buy, and whether or not they are educated about such matters.

Oh, and a word about RDA's... all of us vegetarians, non-vegetarians and vegans alike should be eating a wide variety of foods and meeting the RDAs.

Thank you!

 

[Jade]

Re: I love meat!

I naturally tend to eat much more chicken than beef, but I love beef, too. Veggies are okay, but not as good a meat.

And now you people have me curious about yet ANOTHER topic too strange to bring up for lunch discussion at work- DO vegetarians suck and swallow, or don't they? Hey.....Jade? Any inside knowledge?

As I said on a recent blow job thread... it all depends what the guy had for dinner.....

 

[Ezzy]

Re: Re: The cost of venison

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However, it doesnt HAVE to be red meat; no animal HAS to be harmed in order to meet these requirements (again: eggs, milk, cheese, etc.)

Hope that helps!

[Edited by Jade on 08-08-2000 at 05:13 PM] [/B][/QUOTE]

As an aside have you seen how they maintain milk production levels in cows goats sheep etc. Cheese unless renet(sp) free is also made useing animal products.

Do not read further down this post if at all squeemish.

You have my appologise in advance.

When ever I have travelled I always make myself eat as the locals eat,and so have tried some of the things not often found in "normal" western cookery,eg Dog (and I am a dog lover) Horse (ditto)Ostritch Kangeroo snake snails frogslegs shark,there have been only 3 occasions I could not bring myself to eat whatever has been set infront of me.

1)Monkey brains direct from its head YUK
2)Roast Monkey YUK
3)Creame Caramel YUKKKKKK

EZ

 

[Earthgoddess]

Jade as I said I do agree with many of the moral aspects and as I ran a vegetarian cafe for two years I am well aware of the soy substitutes-I just do not like them.
I was feeling so guilty about my carnivorous tendencies that I ate a veggie patty with my salad today instead of my usual lean beef...it was gross...I know there are many brands we have a great organic grocery store near us(called Fresh Fields-part of the Whole Foods Chain-wonderful stuff)
At any rate I have tried tofu all types,seitan,TVP etc etc, and try as I might I can't go meat free...sure I can cut down on the flesh foods but I like them-and this diet is really working, I feel great...
Also I do have to agree that most animal sourced foods i.e. cheese,milk and eggs are not really humane alternatives-the conditions endured by these animals to produce our guilt free milk and eggs are really often quite bad...and continue far longer than animals raised for slaughter...my family in PA. raised both cows and chickens so I have seen the reality of dairy farming vs. meat production and trust me the cows still did not seem overjoyed...even organic farming is still a mass production approach-and the animal pays the price...humane is a relative term, a free range chicken still is in a pen-a larger pen- and a chicken bred to lay organic eggs is still being forced to lay an above normal amount of eggs,all of which are taken from her and eaten...so the ethics thing gets a bit dicey when you offer eggs and dairy as cruelty free-because trust me they are not-even from organic farms-the amount we expect from the animals is not natural or kind,nor is it an easy life.

 

[Skibum]

Give me a thick, juicy, rare steak, a baked potato, and a nice green salad with ranch dressing and I am a happy man. Top it off with a cold frosty one, followed by some Ben and Jerry's and I can be downright ecstatic.

And like Wierd Harold, I enjoy going out to find and kill my own meat. I hope to win a moose permit in the lottery this year. That will put a few hundred pounds of low fat meat in my frezer for the winter.

[Edited by Skibum on 08-08-2000 at 08:14 PM]

 

[Jade]

Re: Re: Re: The cost of venison

However, it doesnt HAVE to be red meat; no animal HAS to be harmed in order to meet these requirements (again: eggs, milk, cheese, etc.)

Hope that helps!

[Edited by Jade on 08-08-2000 at 05:13 PM] [/B][/QUOTE]

As an aside have you seen how they maintain milk production levels in cows goats sheep etc. Cheese unless renet(sp) free is also made useing animal products.


EZ [/B][/QUOTE]


Unless you are like me and buy "happy cow milk" and "happy chicken eggs."


(I never said they "don't" get harmed .. was just saying they don't "have" to be harmed.

EARTHgoddes: honey none of that was directed at you... sorry if I cam out as critical. YOu know I luv ya!

 

[Earthgoddess]

mmm jade I love you too-where do you get happy milk and eggs-are the animals on prozac? or are they just really nice-lol