Social Security Is Zapped.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090927/D9AVHRDG0.html

OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND CREATE JOBS, OTHERWISE RETIREES WILL DRAIN THE GOVERNMENT DRY.

 

[argh654]

Obama?

I hope you realize that the only jobs a government can create are the kind of jobs you don't want: more bureaucrats, more overhead, more of what has already drained our country to the point where it can barely function.
What we need is for Obama and the others to get out of the way of the free markets, revoke the fed's powers, get rid of most of the stifling rules that are holding back our companies and stop taxing us to the point where we can no longer compete on a global scale. What the government has already created is a not securing the people that are worst of, its holding back those that have the most chance of success.
Will a return to democracy and free markets be better for everyone? No - in fact it will be worse for those who don't want to work. But at least people Kish in the article will have a chance of succeeding.

Peter.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I hope you realize that the only jobs a government can create are the kind of jobs you don't want: more bureaucrats, more overhead, more of what has already drained our country to the point where it can barely function.

Peter.

What JBJ is saying is Obama needs to get off his ass an create the jobs he said he would with the "Stimulus Package". These are the same kinds of jobs created by the "New Deal" under FDR - make work projects that do some good for the society as a whole over a long time (TVA, BPA, National Highway Administration, etc) and put lots of people to work immediately.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I hope you realize that the only jobs a government can create are the kind of jobs you don't want: more bureaucrats, more overhead, more of what has already drained our country to the point where it can barely function.
What we need is for Obama and the others to get out of the way of the free markets, revoke the fed's powers, get rid of most of the stifling rules that are holding back our companies and stop taxing us to the point where we can no longer compete on a global scale. What the government has already created is a not securing the people that are worst of, its holding back those that have the most chance of success.
Will a return to democracy and free markets be better for everyone? No - in fact it will be worse for those who don't want to work. But at least people Kish in the article will have a chance of succeeding.

Peter.

What JBJ is saying is Obama needs to get off his ass an create the jobs he said he would with the "Stimulus Package". These are the same kinds of jobs created by the "New Deal" under FDR - make work projects that do some good for the society as a whole over a long time (TVA, BPA, National Highway Administration, etc) and put lots of people to work immediately.

The only proven way to create jobs in the private sector is to reduce taxes on those who create the jobs. The small business owner. 80% of the job market in the US is provided by the small business owner. Give them a tax break and that creates jobs.

Taxing the shit out of them only reduces the jobs. The more taxes they pay the less jobs they have. If you want the job market to improve reduce taxes.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Californication.

JJ et al

The jobs dont need be make-work positions.

Obama could replace every clunker fire truck and ambulance in America. He could replace or rehab every condemned school, youth center, hospital, bridge, and road. Build a few more National Parks.

Create a task-force to develope alternative energy as we did with the Manhattan Project in World War 2.

California can use a dozen desal water plants. CALIFORNICATED is taking on a sinister, new meaning. Dont make me do a parody of CALIFORNIA DREAMING.

"I dropped down on my knees, and I began to pray...CALIFORNICATION!

Maybe use Arnold, Nancy, Diane, and Barbara to sing it.

America is full of real work to do.

Instead, we're considering bailing out more banks and maybe newspapers. I opned the paper this morning, and on page one is a mind-numbing tale about PEAHENS. Its the same sort of article aides read to alzheimers patients eating cream of wheat and stewed prunes at breakfast.

 

[argh654]

Obama could replace every clunker fire truck and ambulance in America. He could replace or rehab every condemned school, youth center, hospital, bridge, and road. Build a few more National Parks.

Sounds like a good plan at first. But you again miss the government overhead and incompetence.
We don't need national parks to get out of this mess. And clunker fire trucks? A 50 year old engine is still in operation in the little town where I grew up and it does great. Does replacing it make sense? No - its waste of money. But how is someone in DC going to know that? They can't. But if they leave it up to the individual departments there will be many that say their fire truck is a clunker and want it replaced just so it will be something shiny.
Either way you end up with a lot of waste - and that is in my opinion what got us into this whole mess. The only way to get this country back on track is to get rid of most of this insanity and remember where we came from.

Why did the US survive when soviet russia fell apart? Because we had competition. Drove down prices, increased availability of goods, kept people honest. What is the only place in this country where we don't have competition? The government. So how could giving a responsibility to the government ever be a good thing?

Peter.

 

[xssve]

JJ et al

The jobs dont need be make-work positions.

Obama could replace every clunker fire truck and ambulance in America. He could replace or rehab every condemned school, youth center, hospital, bridge, and road. Build a few more National Parks.

Create a task-force to develope alternative energy as we did with the Manhattan Project in World War 2.

California can use a dozen desal water plants. CALIFORNICATED is taking on a sinister, new meaning. Dont make me do a parody of CALIFORNIA DREAMING.

"I dropped down on my knees, and I began to pray...CALIFORNICATION!

Maybe use Arnold, Nancy, Diane, and Barbara to sing it.

America is full of real work to do.

Instead, we're considering bailing out more banks and maybe newspapers. I opned the paper this morning, and on page one is a mind-numbing tale about PEAHENS. Its the same sort of article aides read to alzheimers patients eating cream of wheat and stewed prunes at breakfast.

Uh, that was the idea, pubs suddenly started decided that the brink of a global depression was a good time to suddenly worry about "fiscal responsibility", and proposed teabagging instead, in order to get the economy moving again.

While we're on the subject, medical coverage for full time employees is a significant business expense, possibly the most significant expense driving up variable costs.

It's why we're largely a nation of temps and part time workers, so that firms can avoid having to offer benefits of any kind - national health care would result in a lot more full time employment being offered.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/the_dead_end_kids_AnwaWNOGqsXMuIlGONNX1K
FIND SOME WORK FOR THE KIDDIES, OBAMA.

 

[xssve]

I love the fact that you expect him to fix in 10 months what it took you weasels took Eight years to fuck up.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Sounds like a good plan at first. But you again miss the government overhead and incompetence.
We don't need national parks to get out of this mess. And clunker fire trucks? A 50 year old engine is still in operation in the little town where I grew up and it does great. Does replacing it make sense? No - its waste of money. But how is someone in DC going to know that? They can't. But if they leave it up to the individual departments there will be many that say their fire truck is a clunker and want it replaced just so it will be something shiny.
Either way you end up with a lot of waste - and that is in my opinion what got us into this whole mess. The only way to get this country back on track is to get rid of most of this insanity and remember where we came from.

Why did the US survive when soviet russia fell apart? Because we had competition. Drove down prices, increased availability of goods, kept people honest. What is the only place in this country where we don't have competition? The government. So how could giving a responsibility to the government ever be a good thing?

Peter.

I was a fireman 30 years ago. Our fleet of clunkers were in the shop most of the time. Repairs are expensive.

How you do it is identify the need and award contracts for the work. Bureaucrats wont lift a hammer at all. The idea is to modernize, reduce energy costs, etc.

Plenty of people like you are happy that the wealth of this nation is keeping the Hamptons green, and keeping the yachts at Sag Harbor putting along. And one or two of us want something for the money we gotta pay back outta our pockets.

If you dont like fire trucks buy the sheriff a helicopter.

XSSVE

Youre right. Bush twisted Pelosi's titty for all the money he got and blew. For two years out of 8 she sat on her fat ass and looked the other way.

 

[DeeZire]

Youre right. Bush twisted Pelosi's titty for all the money he got and blew. For twoyears out of 8 she sat on her fat ass and looked the other way.

Why is it that when the Rs set policy and write legislation, it's the D's fault? Wouldn't it be the Rs fault?

 

[amicus]

]I hope you realize that the only jobs a government can create are the kind of jobs you don't want: more bureaucrats, more overhead, more of what has already drained our country to the point where it can barely function.
What we need is for Obama and the others to get out of the way of the free markets, revoke the fed's powers, get rid of most of the stifling rules that are holding back our companies and stop taxing us to the point where we can no longer compete on a global scale. What the government has already created is a not securing the people that are worst of, its holding back those that have the most chance of success.
Will a return to democracy and free markets be better for everyone? No - in fact it will be worse for those who don't want to work. But at least people Kish in the article will have a chance of succeeding.

Peter.[/[/I]QUOTE]

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Hello and welcome argh654, it is refreshing to read a new voice and a rational one at that.

I must admit a bit of cynicism when it comes to our elected Representatives acting in any firm way to resolve the drift towards greater government control. I suspect it will take a full blown Resistance by the people to affect any major change. And the almost lifetime guaranteed government union jobs that make up the bureaucracy at Local, State and Federal levels, insures the size of government will not be reduced anytime soon.

I wish I saw a means by which a quick recovery and a re-institution of conservative economic principles in government could be effected, but I just don't see it happening.

Thanks for joining the fray...

JBJ...you seem to have reverted back to your Liberal underpinnings, izzat just a time of the month thing for you or wat?



Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Fuck yourself old man.

 

[JamesSD]

Social Security has been underfunded for decades. We have a huge problem that any time our government runs a surplus instead of saving the money for bad times, there's a demand to give it back. Then those calling for the refunds are angry when gov't doesn't have money when economic times are bad.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Social Security has been underfunded for decades. We have a huge problem that any time our government runs a surplus instead of saving the money for bad times, there's a demand to give it back. Then those calling for the refunds are angry when gov't doesn't have money when economic times are bad.

Yep, and those taxes never really belonged to the people who paid them. Its the goverment's money even before its made. But be careful, people might get the idea that if the money never belonged to them then maybe UNCLE SAMBO needs to get off his ass and do the work for it.