So, why is it that Pastor John Hagee gets less attention than Pastor Jeremiah Wright?

[Guest]

There's a difference?

I keep hoping.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

McCain said he courted Hagee's endorsement.

When asked if he had solicited it, he replied that he had, which is far from courting.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

When asked if he had solicited it, he replied that he had, which is far from courting.

That depends on your point of view. If you are a McCain apologist, there is a big difference. McCain was chasing the dude around for an endorsement. Was Obama doing that to Wright?

And McCain is also openly confessed as being proud of Hagee's endorsement. Can you say that of Obama and Wright?

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

That depends on your point of view. If you are a McCain apologist, there is a big difference. McCain was chasing the dude around for an endorsement. Was Obama doing that to Wright?

And McCain is also openly confessed as being proud of Hagee's endorsement. Can you say that of Obama and Wright?

I would not call myself an apologist for McCain. I am an admirer and a supporter of John McCain. In November I expect to be a voter for McCain. Do you really believe he was chasing the dude around for an endorsement? I don't. He apparently accepted the endorsement, and maybe he shouldn't, but he has made it clear that he has little use for the man.

Until the last few weeks,Wright has not really been a national figure and his endorsement would not have been pursued. I think it is safe to say that he endorsed Obama from the pulpit during the senatorial election and again during the Illinois primary although I was not there to hear it and there is probably no public record of it. I'm quite sure Obama thabked him and let him know he was grateful, and made no objections. He has been sitting in Wright's church for twenty years, and has brought his wife and two young children too, so he must have quite a bit of respect. He could have gone elsewhere had he chosen.

As has been mentioned on this thread we will probably be hearing a lot about Hagee and McCain during the national election.

 

[SlickTony]

If Obama sat in Wright's church for 20 years, we need to know what kind of slime he's soaked up.

I have been attending various Methodist churches for upwards of 25 years, and if I'd soaked up everything that came from their pulpits, I certainly wouldn't be here.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I would not call myself an apologist for McCain. I am an admirer and a supporter of John McCain. In November I expect to be a voter for McCain.

Wow. Right on the mark. Can I call 'em or what?

Do you really believe he was chasing the dude around for an endorsement? I don't. He apparently accepted the endorsement, and maybe he shouldn't, but he has made it clear that he has little use for the man.

Of course you don't believe he was. You're a McCain voter. McCain himself admitted he sought this guy's endorsement.

Until the last few weeks,Wright has not really been a national figure and his endorsement would not have been pursued. I think it is safe to say that he endorsed Obama from the pulpit during the senatorial election and again during the Illinois primary although I was not there to hear it and there is probably no public record of it. I'm quite sure Obama thabked him and let him know he was grateful, and made no objections. He has been sitting in Wright's church for twenty years, and has brought his wife and two young children too, so he must have quite a bit of respect. He could have gone elsewhere had he chosen.

As has been mentioned on this thread we will probably be hearing a lot about Hagee and McCain during the national election.

You refuse to believe what McCain has himself admitted but you're willing to embellish Obama's story to whatever makes him look evil?

Okee dokee. I already figured you were in the McCain camp to begin with. The man could want a hundred more years of Iraq and you'd still vote for him.

Oh no wait a second, he already said he does... and McCain voters deny that, too...

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I have been attending various Methodist churches for upwards of 25 years, and if I'd soaked up everything that came from their pulpits, I certainly wouldn't be here.

Most underrated remark of all last week.

 

[sr71plt]

Most underrated remark of all last week.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. And I've been attending a Methodist church for much longer than 25 years.

Appropriate to this thread, on the Chris Matthews show last night, the pundits were mulling whether the Republicans would make hay with the Obama/Wright issue in the "real" campaign no matter what Obama said now (an overwhelming "of course"). I found it interesting, though, that none of them said that the Democrats would just turn around and slam bang McCain on his own Churchgate issue.

Pretty much an indication that the quesitons of this thread have validity.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Yeah, I thought the same thing. And I've been attending a Methodist church for much longer than 25 years.

Appropriate to this thread, on the Chris Matthews show last night, the pundits were mulling whether the Republicans would make hay with the Obama/Wright issue in the "real" campaign no matter what Obama said now (an overwhelming "of course"). I found it interesting, though, that none of them said that the Democrats would just turn around and slam bang McCain on his own Churchgate issue.

Pretty much an indication that the quesitons of this thread have validity.

The Republicans wouldn't want to touch Wright.

Not with stuff like this waiting to be fired back at them in retaliation:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8mQvvGJYQaM

 

[S-Des]

The Republicans wouldn't want to touch Wright.

Not with stuff like this waiting to be fired back at them in retaliation:

Both guys are nutballs. Hagee talks about social concerns (kind of what preachers do, if you've never been to church), Wright used anti-government rhetoric and conspiracy theories. I really don't get why you are unable to separate the two. I guess if you're desperate enough, you can believe any two things are the same.

Republicans will happily hammer Wright because it plays into the questions about Obama and what he really thinks about America (because he stayed in the church for decades and contributed tens of thousands of dollars). You can scream Hagee from the rooftops until you lose your voice, but McCain still never heard the man speak, so it doesn't say anything about him (other than that he asked for an endorsement). As I said before, this might be a similar comparison to Louis Farrakhan (although Obama didn't "seek" that endorsement), but it has nothing to do with why Wright bothers people.

 

[sr71plt]

The Republicans wouldn't want to touch Wright.

Not with stuff like this waiting to be fired back at them in retaliation:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8mQvvGJYQaM

No, they have their hands full with Pat Robertson. At least Jerry Falwell was considerate enough to kick the bucket before he could get his mouth into the general campaign.

You are a political unsophisticate, aren't you?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Both guys are nutballs. Hagee talks about social concerns (kind of what preachers do, if you've never been to church), Wright used anti-government rhetoric and conspiracy theories. I really don't get why you are unable to separate the two. I guess if you're desperate enough, you can believe any two things are the same.

Republicans will happily hammer Wright because it plays into the questions about Obama and what he really thinks about America (because he stayed in the church for decades and contributed tens of thousands of dollars). You can scream Hagee from the rooftops until you lose your voice, but McCain still never heard the man speak, so it doesn't say anything about him (other than that he asked for an endorsement). As I said before, this might be a similar comparison to Louis Farrakhan (although Obama didn't "seek" that endorsement), but it has nothing to do with why Wright bothers people.

Oh, I think you are way off the mark here.

I am willing to bet that when Hagee actually does get screamed from the rooftops there will be much hell to pay with the American public for McCain's current refusal to shun his endorsement, and his past attempts to secure his endorsement.

Politically speaking, McCain is at best an accessory after the fact: and Hagee's congregations who do listen to him and who will be voting for McCain and who will have influence in the GOP, should serve as a warning to the rest of America. And it will serve as a proper warning.

Hagee will be looked back on as just as heavy an albatross as Wright was.

 

[DesertPirate]

Of course the fact that Wrights "liberation theology" is based on the marxist version that came out of Central America is relevant. That whole pile has been disavowed by every mainstream Christian Church. The Pope even disciplined several Bishops over it because he wouldn't tolerate anything tinged with marxist theory.

Also saw one preacher say that Wright was wrong in saying the cotroversy was an attack on the "black" Church since the only Church he knew of was the Christian Church!

 

[S-Des]

Hagee will be looked back on as just as heavy an albatross as Wright was.

Whatever you say. I suppose the fact that you had to start a thread because you felt no one was talking about it doesn't tell you anything about the general feel of Americans? To be perfectly honest, I don't think Obama is religious at all. I don't think he went to that church for any reason other than political expediency. This doesn't make him a bad guy in my eyes (quite frankly, I couldn't care less about his religion or lack thereof). However, he is the one running on, "Trust me, I am the candidate of hope and racial healing," which rings a little hollow on a closer examination of his friends and voting record. Whether that's enough to give McCain a fighting shot in a year that most of the country is sick of Republicans.....who knows?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Whatever you say. I suppose the fact that you had to start a thread because you felt no one was talking about it doesn't tell you anything about the general feel of Americans? To be perfectly honest, I don't think Obama is religious at all. I don't think he went to that church for any reason other than political expediency. This doesn't make him a bad guy in my eyes (quite frankly, I couldn't care less about his religion or lack thereof). However, he is the one running on, "Trust me, I am the candidate of hope and racial healing," which rings a little hollow on a closer examination of his friends and voting record. Whether that's enough to give McCain a fighting shot in a year that most of the country is sick of Republicans.....who knows?

Actually, Jenny Jackson opened my eyes to the truth on this.

 

[Guest]

Whatever you say. I suppose the fact that you had to start a thread because you felt no one was talking about it doesn't tell you anything about the general feel of Americans? To be perfectly honest, I don't think Obama is religious at all. I don't think he went to that church for any reason other than political expediency. This doesn't make him a bad guy in my eyes (quite frankly, I couldn't care less about his religion or lack thereof). However, he is the one running on, "Trust me, I am the candidate of hope and racial healing," which rings a little hollow on a closer examination of his friends and voting record. Whether that's enough to give McCain a fighting shot in a year that most of the country is sick of Republicans.....who knows?

I don't want to know a candidate's religion. I don't care. It's irrelevant. And quite frankly, it's none of my business.

As the current administration has shown, church attendance doesn't have dick to do with helping you run the country.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I don't want to know a candidate's religion. I don't care. It's irrelevant. And quite frankly, it's none of my business.

As the current administration has shown, church attendance doesn't have dick to do with helping you run the country.

Well, from yesterday's voting results, it looks like Obama is rising above this situation.

Although Obama's people are sending notes to superdelegates to end this fight now - and I hope he isn't shoveling dirt on Hillary yet.

Obama is 184.5 delegates shy of victory. There are 217 delegates at stake. Hillary has to win almost all those 217 delegates to win this. Obama is apparently far ahead in the coming primaries. Strange things have tended to happen at this point, though.